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man, I really must be getting old
- Thread starter Darkhorse1962
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This nails it. Thank you for putting this so well, and for taking the high road with your tone while you did.
I didn't mean to single out @4001 here; theirs wasn't the first or the most egregious of the pot shots taken here, just one that I felt compelled to challenge.
The more cartoonish aspects of metal turn off many listeners and make the genre an easy target. I take no issue with the first part of that—indeed, that's the provocative subject matter doing exactly what the artists or entertainers singled out for disparagement here almost definitely intended, which again stresses my point that metal isn't meant for everyone. I do take issue with that second part (and again thank @socialleper for saving me a lot of legwork with that articulate response); it's one thing to express one's personal distaste for a genre, another entirely to discount the obvious talent of many performers in it (many have posted sufficient evidence of this), and especially to tell those who love it that they can't possibly feel what they so obviously do. If you don't get it, you don't get it. If you still want to dump on it, I suppose that's your right, but at the end of the day you're insulting people for enjoying an ultimately harmless form of art or entertainment, and you should reasonably expect to catch flack for it. Raining on a parade is unkind, unlike writing songs (or movies, or television shows) about ridiculous things you would never do or endorse.
I would like to address the comparison of Judas Priest to … it seems like Dying Fetus has gotten the most attention here, so let's go with them. Judas Priest was a favorite target of the PMRC and others inclined toward censorship due to their lyrical content, much of which can be fairly considered violent and full of tough guy posturing. Metal, like rock and roll before it, revels in rebellion, so taking "obscene" content and stylistic choices to extremes seemed like a suitable reaction among the bands following their lead. If that crossed your personal line of taste, fine—don't listen to it. History has never looked kindly on the censors, though, so consider that when you feel an urge to squelch what you happen to find distasteful.
@4001: good for you for giving Opeth a listen. If you don't like the guttural vocals on Blackwater Park, you'll understand why the guy providing them would later abandon the technique. It's very limited in what it can express, which is precisely why I have moved away from it myself, both as an artist and a listener. You might like Opeth's more recent work.
Those are the only places that you'll find interesting 'radio', has been for years.
What did they start besides the 'jam band' concept? There was death rock before them.
He did have some song where he's singing "coma, coma, coma, come come".Don't forget to add James Taylor to that list! (his "Oozing Corpse Vomit" album is freakin great!)
Right?
We can't all write songs about tripping b@ll$ and ****ing like they did in the 60s and 70s.
This stuff started with 'boomers'; the roots certainly can be traced to Sabbath, Cooper, Priest, and then Venom, plus lesser known bands like Pentagram, Witchfinder General, and the like.
Roots are fine to identify. Unfortunately (to pursue the metaphor) roots don't always grow into healthy plants.
"Electric Funeral"
"Children Of The Grave"
"War Pigs"
"I Love The Dead"
"Dead Babies"
"Raped And Freezing"
"Ripper"
and so on; pretty twisted roots to begin with.
True!
Would it surprise you to know that the only one of those tunes I have ever heard is War Pigs? And I happened to overhear someone else playing it; I didn't seek it out.
No interest, ever.
Lots of buzzy guitars and clanky raspy bass lines.....some mix in symphonic and other things..
I just watched some YouTube on the band 'Mayhem' out of Norway in the 80's one of the pioneers of black or death or whatever metal....you know the band with the singer named 'Dead' that finally offed himself soon after joining the band....then the murders and church burnings in Norway followed.
The genre apparently grew out of the band 'Venom' from the early 80's...its all make believe stuff but not in a way such as Black Sabbath or Rainbow.
Like some of the gangster rap, the violent tough guy stuff in these types of metal gets old...maybe they all need a trip to Disneyland!!
The 'Cookie Monster' vocals are what gets me...how do the vocal chords hold up?
Johnny Cash and a few others weren't the norm in country music but Johnny Cash was also gospel and folk....Cash played up the dark image in the late 60's (as his career was falling off) same way Willie Nelson grew his hair out and moved back to Texas...both were failing as artists in the late 60's though both had hit songs previously."I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die"
Hi,
I checked out a couple of Dying Fetus tunes. Now I'm going to listen to some George Strait to cleanse my palate.
They are very technical, very rhythmic, and the message in "From Womb To Waste" is very poignant, but it's just not melodic or harmonious enough for my tastes. To each his own. Yes, I'm old.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Probably not playin' much of those style tunes at the Ranch, eh Cliff?
But I used to go frequently to Club 950, Neo's, and the Exit in Chicago back in the days. We all dig different stuff, and I think that's righteous.
Not exactly when it comes to vocals....the human voice is easily trashed without 'proper training' not just practice... even the most trained and cared for voices can become easily damaged....plus, the issue is the mix is so congested on much of these genres and vocals are hard to decipher....much is 'way too brickwalled' (which is common the past few decades in many genres).
Correct, Foo Fighters Tribute. I can play Walking After You, however my guitarist, who is very capable, says it is too complicated to play live. Go figure.
