yeah I kind of figured it might be...some songs just don't translate well live for various reasons..
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man, I really must be getting old
- Thread starter Darkhorse1962
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yeah I kind of figured it might be...some songs just don't translate well live for various reasons..
That's a lot of disinformation; while Willie had a fair amount of success as a songwriter, his solo career never ever really got off the ground during his time in Nashville in the first place; he didn't fit their mold, and was tired of playing their game. His style was too idiosyncratic, too jazzy. He found that the best response he got on the road was in his home state of Texas. So he moved back, just as a portion of the non-traditional long haired youth culture was starting to embrace country, by way of the Byrds/Gram, Poco, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, New Riders, and so on. And they embraced him, with his rough around the edges vibe, although the 'outlaw' thing was yet to happen.
As far as Johnny is concerned, "FPB" was first released in the mid-50's, on Sun Records; a modest hit then with limited exposure. His career hadn't 'fallen off' in the late 60's; it was going down the tubes way before then with his private drug hell, but for the grace of June Carter, he emerged from it alive and repurposed. As he had always felt an affinity for prisoners, he felt strongly about recording a bare bones live album in a joint, against the wishes of Columbia Records. But that album, released in 1968, resonated in a way no one could have foreseen(except for him); you might see the 'man in black' veneer as schtick, but it represented his new found sobriety, and seriousness of the times. Not to mention possibly a reaction to the 'Nudie Suit' glitzy look of the Grand Ole Opry scene. There was always a bit of darkness running through his music, going back to the beginning of his career, so I don't see it as some sort of calculated PR maneuver. In both cases, both men had more success when they just became who they were in the first place.
Throat singing indeed requires a lot technique to be done without damaging your voice. It takes practice to do so. I'm afraid I don't get your point.
I can have my opinion you know..unless the PC culture will get upset that I dare say something negative about something that someone else likes.. To you, my opinion smells just like that "music".
And...I did ask a lot of valid questions that nobody answered.
What can anyone take away from the death metal bass playing style?
What I take from this is that the B string and notes below E are a big part of the style. Of course this is one song, so I don't know if this is always the case. I also think the speed and endurance must be and important part of playing the genre.
Curious what sort of exotic substances the metal crowd enjoys to enhance the metal experience............asking for a friend of course.
Give the full album a try. There's a decent mix of clean and harsh vocals. It was in fact produced by Steven Wilson.OK... the music is really cool..kind of reminds me of Porcupine Tree and their heavier stuff.....I like the way it sounds. Doesn't have that silly 50 million BPS crap going on either.....
But......... when those death growl "vocals" start............
Once the singer is through vomiting the resin chunks out of his lungs, the music is good solid dark, complex and listenable metal again.
The vocals take an otherwise cool sounding tune and, to me, turn it into a joke.
I cant take that stuff seriously. Sounds like someone that needs to be put out of their misery, and fast.
Is there a version without the "vocals"? That would be better.
OPETH - BLACKWATER PARK (FULL ALBUM) - YouTube
Truthfully, I used to have the same attitude as you, and this is the album that finally won me over to accepting this vocal style as just another musical ingredient, to be used intelligently for a purpose.
Once you've listened to about 1,000 other death metal bands (and/or give an honest try to performing in that style yourself) you'll realize that actually the performance in that song is nothing short of phenomenal - the range, expressiveness, and the truly gut punishing timbre is a demonstration of skill that very few will ever possess.
Mikael Åkerfeldt is probably the only performer I would care to see return to that vocal style at least occasionally, but again, I totally understand moving away from it for the wider range of expression a more conventional vocal style allows.
My point is just because you 'practice something' doesnt make it 'correct'...that is partly why there are vocal teachers as the voice is easily damaged...i know kids locally trying to do the 'cookie monster' thing...bad habits are hard to undo..thats my point.
We'll have to agree to disagree to a point... i think a LOT of it was a PR move, jmho...i grew up in the same town as Willies wife in the 60's (Shirley Ritchie Cadell) came from, same class as her nephew (now deceased)....im not disputing what you stated but im not entirely inaccurate either...'Phases and Stages' was about Willie and Shirleys breakup as you probably know...dont think these guys didnt calculate their image...Johnny Cash declined from the charts again, his TV show (which i liked) was cancelled and he leaned on the 'man in black' image as hit songs were few and between after the early 70's....the emerging 'country rock scene' wound up revolving around a lot of pretty vocal harmonies (far removed from Willie or Johnny).
Eddie Vedder did a similar thing, completely re-vamped his sound with Pearl Jam....many 'hair metal' bands did the same moving to 'grunge' after pressure from managers and record labels...its a business and they want what sells.
To be fair to @Darkhorse1962 parodying Metal is as well-established as the genre itself.
I'm old enough to remember Vyvyan losing his head in the mid-80s The Young Ones :
(The train scene in this clip reminds me a little of this thread!)
I'm old enough to remember Vyvyan losing his head in the mid-80s The Young Ones :
(The train scene in this clip reminds me a little of this thread!)
I saw mention of Ghostmane and that "trap metal/ ragecore" style of hip-hop. I recently saw that music video of "Heart Attack" by Scarlxrd and I loved it! It was so raw, intense, and in your face! It reminded me of why I fell in love with metal and punk in the first place. I've been seeking out other artists in that genre, because it's new and fresh to my ears and woke me out of my "I need to find new music" rut.
I get asked all the time why I like metal so much. That's hard to quantify or qualify. We all have different tastes in food. I love spicy food whereas it would make others cry in pain. It's like that old Apple Jacks commercial: "Why do you like Apple Jacks? It doesn't taste like apples"
"...We just do!"
Perhaps the reason I like metal is similar to the reason why other people love horror films or violent video games. Stephen King once said something along the lines that we all have an alligator in our souls and it needs to be fed once in a while. I'm a primarily jazz trained bassist, and I had the time of my life playing in a socially conscious hardcore punk band, attending heavy shows, slamming in moshpits... Heck, playing in that punk band helped me improve my finger speed, dexterity, and develop my three finger gallop.
I've been to many shows featuring artists in many genres, and I've noticed that death metal musicians are among the kindest, friendliest, most down-to-earth, and chillaxed people I've ever met. Erik Rutan of Hate Eternal is a death metal legend and he was super cool to meet. Even better was meeting their bass player. He was all like, "You play bass, brother? That's f'n awesome! I NEVER meet other bass players! Keep it up!" By contrast, I've found that the forlorn guys who sing wistful love songs tend to be the biggest jerks.
EDIT: I once posted about how the band Abnormality likes to listen to Vivaldi in their tour van between gigs. I also mentioned a photographer I met (petite young lady) who felt safer at a God Forbid show than a Death Cab for Cutie show: METAL Heads are well adjusted folks!
I get asked all the time why I like metal so much. That's hard to quantify or qualify. We all have different tastes in food. I love spicy food whereas it would make others cry in pain. It's like that old Apple Jacks commercial: "Why do you like Apple Jacks? It doesn't taste like apples"
"...We just do!"
Perhaps the reason I like metal is similar to the reason why other people love horror films or violent video games. Stephen King once said something along the lines that we all have an alligator in our souls and it needs to be fed once in a while. I'm a primarily jazz trained bassist, and I had the time of my life playing in a socially conscious hardcore punk band, attending heavy shows, slamming in moshpits... Heck, playing in that punk band helped me improve my finger speed, dexterity, and develop my three finger gallop.
I've been to many shows featuring artists in many genres, and I've noticed that death metal musicians are among the kindest, friendliest, most down-to-earth, and chillaxed people I've ever met. Erik Rutan of Hate Eternal is a death metal legend and he was super cool to meet. Even better was meeting their bass player. He was all like, "You play bass, brother? That's f'n awesome! I NEVER meet other bass players! Keep it up!" By contrast, I've found that the forlorn guys who sing wistful love songs tend to be the biggest jerks.
EDIT: I once posted about how the band Abnormality likes to listen to Vivaldi in their tour van between gigs. I also mentioned a photographer I met (petite young lady) who felt safer at a God Forbid show than a Death Cab for Cutie show: METAL Heads are well adjusted folks!
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I thought it sounded like PT....and Wilson produced it.... + one for me there...
And...it isn't that speed stuff that sounds like a punch press on steroids.
Well, as I said, the music is cool.. BUT.... I'll never "accept" that vocal style or the content of the typical death metal lyrics. Not a fan of violence and rage and in today's world we really need less of it.
Opeth might sound cool but I have no interest in expanding my music collection to include that stuff....I'm 180 degrees away from that style...yeah I still will crank up Black Sabbath's Born Again and Judas Priest's Unleashed in the East etc.. but I'll pass on the death metal.
Aside from being a big Rush & Yes fan I'm also a pretty big jazz fan and I've just added another Buddy Rich disc to my collection. I do have a wide interest in music that includes lots of stuff but the death growl vocal bands and modern metal bands just are not included.
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