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Marijuana Reform. (an interesting article.)

#81
Thunderscreech said:
Moonshine will only make you go blind if it is mixed with methanol, or if you drink like ten hundred gallons a day or something...
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It's not that the moonshine is mixed with methanol, it's just there when made incorrectly. It's pretty nasty and toxic stuff.

It's not terribly common for methanol toxity, but only because most people know that it's a variable risk. I don't think the decline in modern times is due to less methanol in moonshine, but far less consumption of moonshine in general. If a bottle of Barton's is too expensive, then you have other problems.
 
#82
It takes a minimum of about three months and a grand or two to really yield anything. Plus you fail once and the crop is gone. It is a job, and sometimes things can be a little rough. Or you can go down the street and buy it, it's everywhere. Which is why the dispensaries are filled.
 
#83
As an ex habitual daily user of marijuana for 35 years I can honestly say that legalizing pot is the worst thing that can happen to our society. Zappa summed it up best when it said it makes people lazy and passive, exactly what some people who do not have the best interest in our country want. Be careful what you wish for!!
 
#86
California seems to be taking the first step to move forward in all of this. I have heard on NPR that Oakland (which has many dispensaries) is really pushing forward whether it is prohibited by federal law or not.

I don't think that the country has progressed to a point that they are willing to run before crawling (meaning the US won't just legalize free use, but rather they will have to legalize for medical use only at first). They really have no plan for basis to sell, distribute, tax marijuana on a large scale yet.

It's not a bad idea to get the ball rolling. I think that many people would probably ditch their other 'lulling' prescription drugs with the widespread use of medical pot which could be a great thing in terms of people that can be physically dependent on them.

I will say this...it definitely isn't illegal because of its effect on people....if that were true then alcohol wouldn't be legal either.
 
#89
Lurker79 said:
It takes a minimum of about three months and a grand or two to really yield anything. Plus you fail once and the crop is gone. It is a job, and sometimes things can be a little rough. Or you can go down the street and buy it, it's everywhere. Which is why the dispensaries are filled.
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It may take a grand or two if you're talking pesos. With an initial investment of less than $350, another $100 in electricity usage, and 3-4 months, you can EASILY grow enough to last you half a year.
 
#91
spade2you said:
I think both pro and anti marajuana propagana is lying to get their point acrossed. I don't think it's that bad, but I don't think it's that good, either.
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This is pretty much my take on it. I've done countless research papers on Marijuana. Finding unbiased info on both sides is very difficult to come by. It's nowhere near as bad for you as the government wants us to believe but it's not completely harmless either.

Fact it is addictive and people can become dependent upon it.

Fact, it's not a gateway drug. The gateway drugs are alcohol and nicotine.

Myth, you can't get high/test positive for THC by being around people smoking pot.

Fact: MJ helps anxiety, pain, yet Oxycotin and Roxycodone is prescribed on a daily basis and is considered the new crack because more people are getting addicted and physically dependent upon those and they're harder to stop using that pot.
 
#93
sleepy_monkey said:
It's not a bad idea to get the ball rolling. I think that many people would probably ditch their other 'lulling' prescription drugs with the widespread use of medical pot which could be a great thing in terms of people that can be physically dependent on them.
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I don't know about people dropping their drug of choice. The people I know who enjoy particular prescription drugs also smoke pot. I'm not saying there's correlation, just that they enjoy different experiences and access to one doesn't mean they'll drop the other.

Mike
 
#94
Lurker79 said:
The internet told you that . Or maybe natgeo or msn, That isn't real.
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You can grow it for free if you already have the seeds. It's a hearty weed.

cassanova said:
This is pretty much my take on it. I've done countless research papers on Marijuana. Finding unbiased info on both sides is very difficult to come by. It's nowhere near as bad for you as the government wants us to believe but it's not completely harmless either.

Fact it is addictive and people can become dependent upon it.

Fact, it's not a gateway drug. The gateway drugs are alcohol and nicotine.

Myth, you can't get high/test positive for THC by being around people smoking pot.

Fact: MJ helps anxiety, pain, yet Oxycotin and Roxycodone is prescribed on a daily basis and is considered the new crack because more people are getting addicted and physically dependent upon those and they're harder to stop using that pot.
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Where is this fact coming from?
 
#96
I don't understand why it isn't legalized.

For those using slippery slope arguments, Denmark has a lower crime rate, and higher life expectancy than the US and they have pot legalized, among other "left-wing" things such as gay marriage.
 
#97
Bass Junkie said:
As an ex habitual daily user of marijuana for 35 years I can honestly say that legalizing pot is the worst thing that can happen to our society. Zappa summed it up best when it said it makes people lazy and passive, exactly what some people who do not have the best interest in our country want. Be careful what you wish for!!
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You know it's funny. I used to think this way too. I recently became medically 'legal'. At first, there is the kid in the candy store effect, but now it's just meh. I say my use might even be less now, but that could also partially be attributed to my personal circumstances and disposition.
 
#98
Bass Junkie said:
As an ex habitual daily user of marijuana for 35 years I can honestly say that legalizing pot is the worst thing that can happen to our society. Zappa summed it up best when it said it makes people lazy and passive, exactly what some people who do not have the best interest in our country want. Be careful what you wish for!!
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I love doing all sorts of stuff while high, I'm hardly lazy. You just gotta keep with sativas for that head high instead of indica strains that make you feel like sitting on the couch.
 
#99
cstevens said:
Where is this fact coming from?
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This fact comes from the countless amount of assessments I've done on pot smokers over the last 1.5 years that met the required criteria for substance dependence as per the DSM-IV pg 181.

Criteria for Substance Dependence

A maladaptive pattern of substance use, leading to clinically significant impairment or distress, as manifested by three (or more) of the following.

1. Tolerance, as defined by either of the following:
(a) a need for markedly increased amounts of the substance to achieve intoxication or desired effect.
(b) markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount of the substance

2. withdrawal,, as manifested by either of the following:
(a) the characteristic withdrawl syndrome for the substance (refer to Criteria A and B of the criteria sets for Withdrawal from the specific substances.)
(b) the same (or a closely related) substance is taken to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms

3. the substance is often taken in larger amounts or over a longer period than was intended

4. there is a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use

5. a great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to obtain the substance (eg visiting multiple doctors or driving long distances), use the substance (eg chain-smoking), or recover from its effects

6. important social, occupational, or recreational activities are given up or reduced because of substance use

7. the substance use is continued despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by the substance (eg current cocaine use despite recognition of cocaine-induced depression, or continued drinking despite recognition that an ulcer was made worse by alcohol consumption)


There is also some evidence to support physiological dependence to it as well. Many of our clients that quit smoking reported having withdrawal symptoms when they quit smoking it. To name a few: irritability, increased anxiety, change in sleep pattern, depression. I'm not saying it is physiologically dependent but there is a positive correlation there worth researching a bit more.
 
#100
cassanova said:
This fact comes from the countless amount of assessments I've done on pot smokers over the last 1.5 years that met the required criteria for substance dependence as per the DSM-IV pg 181.

Criteria for Substance Dependence

A maladaptive pattern of substance use, leading to clinically significant impairment or distress, as manifested by three (or more) of the following.

1. Tolerance, as defined by either of the following:
(a) a need for markedly increased amounts of the substance to achieve intoxication or desired effect.
(b) markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount of the substance

2. withdrawal,, as manifested by either of the following:
(a) the characteristic withdrawl syndrome for the substance (refer to Criteria A and B of the criteria sets for Withdrawal from the specific substances.)
(b) the same (or a closely related) substance is taken to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms

3. the substance is often taken in larger amounts or over a longer period than was intended

4. there is a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use

5. a great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to obtain the substance (eg visiting multiple doctors or driving long distances), use the substance (eg chain-smoking), or recover from its effects

6. important social, occupational, or recreational activities are given up or reduced because of substance use

7. the substance use is continued despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by the substance (eg current cocaine use despite recognition of cocaine-induced depression, or continued drinking despite recognition that an ulcer was made worse by alcohol consumption)


There is also some evidence to support physiological dependence to it as well. Many of our clients that quit smoking reported having withdrawal symptoms when they quit smoking it. To name a few: irritability, increased anxiety, change in sleep pattern, depression. I'm not saying it is physiologically dependent but there is a positive correlation there worth researching a bit more.
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Thank you for digging that up. I think I'm confusing physical and psychological addictions (I'm obviously not well educated with addictions and/or dependancies). Do you know what percentage of users are addicted or dependant? I've also heard that no one in history has died from ingesting too much pot. Is that correct? Thanks again.
 

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