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Maybe $10k for a Fodera ain't so bad?

I love the boutique basses, wish I could afford one. But, tell you what, if I'm paying $10,000+ for a bass, it'd better be able to suck my c*ck. There needs to be a place, built into the bass, into which I can comfortably stick my member, and it has to be pleasurable.
 
I don't make a lot of money and I don't play in any original or cover band that try to be the next big pop thing.

But I want a nice bass to play. I save money to buy it, it will take maybe 2 or 3 year of saving, but I will be very happy. Or I could buy 10 SX or Squire bass that won,t give me what I want.

If you're are upset at the price some people paid for their bass... you obviously never saw the price of a good classical instrument ...
 
since i know guys who are in name rock bands who also play door jazz gigs and use the same instrument for whatever they play, i'm not sure this criteria is pertinent.

one's decision about what one plays isn't necessarily about the money being made.

You're talking about professionals. I'm talking about a more weekend warrior situation.
 
You're talking about professionals. I'm talking about a more weekend warrior situation.

you made a general statement, i made a rejoinder.

people who make any money by playing are considered "professional musicians," you know.

my first fodera (in 1985) was paid for by playing $50 bar gigs.

i think people judge this stuff way too much. everyone has a different situation and different set of needs.
 
Oh please....
How many $10+ instruments have you actually played? I suspect the answer is NONE and if so you are plain and simple talking out yer ass....you have no idea of the "value" of a truly great instrument. $10K isn't even that much. It buys you a very commonplace double bass for orchestral work. It will buy you a pretty nice archtop guitar from a less well known builder but if you want a Ribbecke or a Benedetto or a Manzer or a Parker expect to pay double to triple that and wait a couple of years....if you can even get on the waiting list.

Some have suggested the people spending that kind of money are only wanker collectors. I'm sure those idiots do buy some of them but many go to great players who've blown off diving a nice car or a down payment on a house to have such an instrument.

To pay $10,000 is a nice piece of change. Let's say your a weekend warrior and you make approx $10K a year. Keep and use your Fodera for 10 years... That's $90K left.. and you are playing a Masterpiece... not to mention their re-sale value.
 
It all comes down to two things - the cost of an artisan's time and hard-won skills/knowledge and efficiencies of scale.

People like Vinnie Fodera and the Alembic builders simply are not in large supply. What they do is incredibly painstaking and requires both finely honed skills and the patience of a Zen monk. They are also incredibly dedicated to what they do. They are building what are, in some ways, Faberge eggs that can actually be used for a practical purpose.

Secondly, in any field of endeavor, the larger the company, the more cheaply it can make things. As an example, Fender buys more wood in a week than Fodera and Alembic will in the length of their existences. Not the same woods, to be sure, but volume discounts exist in every business. And the small builders are one hell of a lot pickier about the woods they buy, which they often age themselves. That amounts to one H of a lot of money sitting in the drying shed.

The hand-finished, artisanally-built best of ANYTHING is ALWAYS expensive: Ferrari sports cars, Dunhill pipes, Wilson Audio Specialties loudspeakers, Audio Research, Lamm Industries or VTL electronics, Zegna and Armani suits, Rolex, Vacheron-Constantin, or Patek Philippe watches. Bu their very nature such things can NOT be made in quantities that allow efficiencies of scale to become relevant.

The simple fact is that you can buy something that represents the labors of a mass number of people cheaply but if you want something that represents the work of only a handful of master craftspeople, it is gonna cost, and big time. Not everybody has the desire for a Rolex, a Ferrari or Wilson's speakers and wouldn't spend the dough even if they had it to spend. Fine. But that's no reason to disparage their work, or that of Fodera or the other high-end luthiers.

Take a chill pill.
 
ya know, i was talking to some sax-playing friends this last weekend.

they were going on about custom mouthpieces . . . i asked how much. couple thousand.
<for a mouthpiece>

$20k for a good horn.

i told one of 'em about this thread. he just laughed, said that the economics of guitar/bass players seemed unrealistic.
 
Who gives a rusty #*@! what anyone else plays?

People can play what they want.

You know what? I've owned some high dollar instruments in my day.

Right now I have a couple of basses that cost less than $200. I take a cable and plug one end of it into the jack, and the other end into an amp and they sound and play just great.

Some people also feel paying almost $11,000 for a Rolex Daytona White Index Dial Oyster Bracelet watch will allow them to tell time in a more superior fashion. Me, I just look around for a clock. Or ask somebody. Neither path is right or wrong.
 
In the same way that nobody has said that they are a superior player with a Fodera over a Squier, I doubt many would say they get an $11k Rolex over a Seiko because "it tells time better". Tired, tired argument.

But yes, I realize that you're saying that neither path is right or wrong...is just is, because is what someone wants, and makes them happy. We agree there- I just don't think anyone is actually making the argument that your Rolex analogy mentions.

(Then again, my Fodera sounds better than a Squier to me, so that's why I play one over the other.)