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Mesa 400+!!!

#21
I have the Bass400 which still puts out the same 300w as the 400+. Been giggin it hard for the past 15 yrs.

I have two older Mesa Diesel cabs that I typically love running together. A 2x15 and a 15x16 (15,10,2x8,tweeter). Unbelievable crisp low-end. People flip at shows.
 
#22
Kristopher said:
I've been gassing for a mesa 400+ for a few weeks now. I wonder if anyone has tried it with an svt 410hlf (tweeter off, of course).
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i play through its big bro(the 610hlf) and i never use the tweeter. with a ported cab, it can be a bit bassy, but in a good way.

ive also played it with a 410hlf, but i also had a 15 hooked up to it too. that was monstar
 
#23
Bergantino NV610 + Mesa 400+ = The Sound.

[Clavin]
It's a little known fact that tight, efficient, sealed cabinets are the best match for all-tube amplifiers. Punchy and deep without being farty. The Bergantino woofers have amazing high-end clarity as well, hence the omission of tweeters. Plus, that combination can get so ungodly loud, it's disturbing to grannies and small children.
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#24
Mo'Phat said:
Bergantino NV610 + Mesa 400+ = The Sound.

[Clavin]
It's a little known fact that tight, efficient, sealed cabinets are the best match for all-tube amplifiers. Punchy and deep without being farty. The Bergantino woofers have amazing high-end clarity as well, hence the omission of tweeters. Plus, that combination can get so ungodly loud, it's disturbing to grannies and small children.
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+1. This is my rig too.
 
#25
Mo'Phat said:
Bergantino NV610 + Mesa 400+ = The Sound.

[Clavin]
It's a little known fact that tight, efficient, sealed cabinets are the best match for all-tube amplifiers. Punchy and deep without being farty. The Bergantino woofers have amazing high-end clarity as well, hence the omission of tweeters. Plus, that combination can get so ungodly loud, it's disturbing to grannies and small children.
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I'll back you up on that one. Personally, I prefer the NV215, but I was also very impressed with the 610 and 425, and each cab has its own merits and its own fans. I'm strongly considering adding a 610 to my 215. The bottom line is, that I have tried a lot of different cabs with tube amps, and the Bergantino NV series is my favorte by a very large margin. My NV215 can take pretty much all my V8 can throw at it (400 all-tube watts!) and it stays tight, full, and clear. Not all 2x15's are mud machines (the old Mesa Boogie Diesel/RR 2x15 was great - with SS amps, at least), and in fact, the NV215 has great tightness and control, but still a huge, deep sound. I think that the sealed design really helps out, here.

Laters, Tom.
 
#29
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A ported cab is generally tuned to a certain frequency, and those frequencies bouncing around the inside of the cab are ported out and give you a little added low end. Since low end frequencies take more power to produce, a ported cabinet is a great match for a high power solid-state head. Tube heads are generally lower power (but can get louder...interesting physics there), so you don't want any extra power being filtered to a tuned port that you might not hear anyway. In a band or live situation, how much of that ultra low end do you actually hear or feel? It generally dissipates into the room rather quickly. Live, you need punch, clarity, and depth (not ultra bass, just 'fullness'). A sealed cabinet focuses 100% (or close to that) to the drivers making the noise. No power is wasted being shoved through a port. True, you will sacrifice some of that ultra low end, and the walls of your garage might not bump quite as much, but you will hear everything you do when going against a couple of 1/2 stack guitarists and a heavy handed drummer.

Why do you think the venerable Ampeg SVT (300 watts) is ideally matched with an SVT (sealed) 8x10 cabinet?

But, to paraphrase another wise Berg user: The Bergantino NV610 is the best sounding 8x10 on the market. :D
 
#33
cheezewiz said:
If you're looking to kill puppies, old ladies, and small children! :D
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No, seriously, I am looking to. Is that bad? =/


But on a SERIOUS note.. I'd be too hard pressed on what cab to choose. I mean, 610 would have that agressive edge i'd like, but not that vintagey deep that that the 215 would give me. I also have the Schroeder 410 for 10's and that punch.. Then again, if I went 215, it'd be a long time till I added another cab, and I don't know if it would be everything I wanted (I slap alot etc). Then again, I don't slap in the band, and I could use the 215 in the band, as we are old school influenced and it'd fit the sound. Then again, I could get the 425 and have a mix of the agressiveness and thump!? I DON'T KNOW!? heheh.
Maybe I should just wait till I can afford a 610 + 215 rig. Then again, I think they'd be out of production by then!
 
#34
I can't comment on the Shroeder or the 215, because I haven't tried them, but I can comment on the NV610, because its my cab.
You won't miss any "vintage deepness" using the NV1610. It goes plenty low and kicks you right in the chest. I'm sure the tone may be a bit different than a 215, but, it is still a great tone!
 
#35
popinfresh said:
Bah, i'm gassing for a Bergie 610 so bad. I love my Schroeder, but a sealed vintage vibed cab is so tempting..
Perhaps I should go an NV215, then put the Schroeder 410 on top? :p
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How about an NV215 and an NV610!?! :bassist:

[Edit: I didn't see that you already mentioned this! Sorry.]
 
#37
Anyone have any experience with smaller Berg cabs?

I'll be trying out the HT210S/EX112S combo on the weekend, I'm hoping they'll be the sound I'm looking for.

Ive noticed that my Eden 8x10 is WAY too heavy to carry around to gigs (225lbs :eek: ), and in live situations, I feel I loose alot of highs and hi-mids, only retaining lows and low-mids (no muddiness though!)

anyway, if anyone has experience with smaller berg cabs please comment! Ill be trying em out tomorrow hopefully!
 
#39
Hurezeanu said:
Anyone have any experience with smaller Berg cabs?
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Sure. The HT112/EX112 (or two HT112's) is one of the classic small cab combos, IME. The HT210/HT115 (or two HT115's) is again, a "classic combo" in it's sieze category. The new S cabs seem to be breaking similar ground.

And keep you eyes open for the up-coming high-efficiency Sadowsky 4x10 (designed by Jim)!

Tom.
 
#40
So I tried the HT210S/EX112S combo today.
Great Cabs, very very nice... It was too bad those were the only berg cabs availble there.

So anyway, I found that the cabs with the tweeter ON produce a very clear, defined sound that allows from the bassiest lows to the trebliest highs to be heard, while retaining all the punchiness and ULTRA-warmth i expected Bergantino cabs to have.

The tweeter OFF is a whole different sound, although not muddy or farty AT ALL, I can't really imagine slapping with the tweeter off, and while with the tweeter off I have a TON of warmth and punchiness (and even clarity), I feel I am losing alot of high mids (forget about playing a high-c through it)...

I actually find that I PREFER playing through em with the tweeter on! Great cabs, and a HELLUVA lot lighter than my Eden 8x10!!!

Anyway, a question to all those NV610 players w/Mesa 400+'s: what kind of music do you guys play? Do you play alot of gigs with the cab & amp? and feel that you can cut through? I am mostly a rock n' roll bass player playing somewhat fast finger licks (a la iron maiden or something), but I do on the occasion like to slap n' tap and such... so how does your slap tone sound? (btw, I use a 4003 Rick and an american P/J fender)
 

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