Mesa Strategy and Prodigy discontinued. Also PH cabs.

[Arthur U. Poon]

Good lord where are you guys gigging?
I can do 90% of my gigs with a single 12 cab.
A lot of top 40 rock, modern country, 10 piece horn band.
I’m on track for about 250 gigs this year. I can’t imagine loading a 212/115 or the like- let alone a 610 and a PAIR of 212’s, in at every gig.

I'm an Owner/Operator Truck Driver, so I don't gig very much anymore. At one time, I did the 40 hour a week job, plus roughly 220 live gigs a year thing, and I used much more portable gear back then.

My band plays classic hard rock and old school Metal covers, with some original material. Because I use a Tech 21 GED-2112 preamp, I use a stereo power amp, and run separate "Dirty" and "Clean" channels into separate cabinets. 95% of the time, my pair of PH212s is more than I need.

There aren't very many bars to play live in my area, especially for the material we play, AND that we're group of old guys rocking out, but that's not really my band's focus. We're having fun, and playing local festivals and seasonal outdoor gigs is what we're working towards.

I'm buying the PH610 for the rare outdoor gig, where I'll need more stage coverage. -And to finally have that stupidly massive bass amp that I always dreamed of in my youth.

 

[mikeswals]

I'm a casino circuit player doing top40 and dance and R&B, it's usually fri & sat nights 9pm-1am gigs, ~3 weekends a month. And for the past year and a half been using two PH210 cabs.

I could never make use of one single speaker, it would just be a fart machine for me. I've never seen that you could pump tons of watts into a single speaker...you can fill more space with multiple speakers and a lower wattage amp, than a high power amp and one speaker. My Bass 400 making 240w into a PH212 is a lot of power in this band, but in my former originals metal band that same Bass 400 needed two PH212 cabs to keep up with a metal drummer and much louder guitarists. Loud and detuned 'heavy' notes soaks up a lot of power, which was why I had bought the Strategy 8:88.

 

[Jim Carr]

Good lord where are you guys gigging?
I can do 90% of my gigs with a single 12 cab.
A lot of top 40 rock, modern country, 10 piece horn band.
I’m on track for about 250 gigs this year. I can’t imagine loading a 212/115 or the like- let alone a 610 and a PAIR of 212’s, in at every gig.

We play outdoors at lots of bars in north texas, and when indoors, do (mostly) crowded joints with crappy PA systems. A fEARful 12/12/6/1 on "tilt back wheels" is easier to move that a 30 lb combo. My load-in is super easy, even with stairs.

I am never short on clean volume. I have a good DI when the PA is up to the job, and find the tall cabinet is a good place for HPF and tuner. I envy your busy schedule!

 

[pfschim]

Good lord where are you guys gigging?
I can do 90% of my gigs with a single 12 cab.
A lot of top 40 rock, modern country, 10 piece horn band.
I’m on track for about 250 gigs this year. I can’t imagine loading a 212/115 or the like- let alone a 610 and a PAIR of 212’s, in at every gig.

not close to 250, but I'm on track to do about 80 gigs this year. Mostly small to medium sized venues (50-200ish people) and some much larger festival gigs.
Festival gigs all provide pretty serious PA, and my amp is just a stage monitor there .. or I just use a provided backline. For the small/medium venue gigs, about 25% of them don't provide bass support in FOH, so my rig has to cover the venue.
I roll with a Berg CN212 and a WD800. One trip load in/out with bass, cab, amp and micro pedal board. No problem at all and I've never been asked to turn down

 

[MikeBass]

LoL
Listen, I’m not playing coffee shops with an acoustic player for these gigs....
One band is top 40 bar rock with two guitar players (old bass player would roll in a 410- sometimes add a 115 as well), another is a 10 piece horn band that covers everything from Chicago to Bruno Mars to Motown. Other gigs are 6 piece modern country with two guitars etc....none of which are “quiet” gigs.

I’ve played some huge festivals with nothing more than a 410 as back line. Sometimes there’s an SVT 810 (side note, played a outdoor gig a week or so ago, had a 69 SVT and matching 810, it was buttery sounding!). Again, with the exception of bigger festival stages, a 112, maybe two, would be more than adequate.
But, I’m the hired gun on 90% of the gigs. I’m not paid to be upfront, so I guess I’m not really ever more than 15-20 feet from my rig. If that.

 

[MikeBass]

Back on topic......
If this yahoo doesn’t respond on Reverb by tonight, tomorrow I’m in the market for a Prodigy......

 

[Wasnex]

LoL
Listen, I’m not playing coffee shops with an acoustic player for these gigs....
One band is top 40 bar rock with two guitar players (old bass player would roll in a 410- sometimes add a 115 as well), another is a 10 piece horn band that covers everything from Chicago to Bruno Mars to Motown. Other gigs are 6 piece modern country with two guitars etc....none of which are “quiet” gigs.

I’ve played some huge festivals with nothing more than a 410 as back line. Sometimes there’s an SVT 810 (side note, played a outdoor gig a week or so ago, had a 69 SVT and matching 810, it was buttery sounding!). Again, with the exception of bigger festival stages, a 112, maybe two, would be more than adequate.
But, I’m the hired gun on 90% of the gigs. I’m not paid to be upfront, so I guess I’m not really ever more than 15-20 feet from my rig. If that.

I get you! I last toured primarily with an Eden D210XLT stacked on top of my rolling rack rig and tilted back a bit to aim at my ears. I think I had about 240W available and never clipped the amp that I remember. My rig served as my personal monitor. The PA did the heavy lifting and stage monitors provided bass to anyone else who wanted to hear it.

 

[mikeswals]

250 gigs = mad respect!!!

 

[MikeBass]

Back on topic......
If this yahoo doesn’t respond on Reverb by tonight, tomorrow I’m in the market for a Prodigy......

Quoting myself- yikes!!!... seller just contacted me.
Prodigy shipping to me tomorrow. Unfortunately will miss all of this weeks/weekends gigs.

It’s coming from Texas to Michigan. So, I’ll probably see it like Monday is my guess.

 

[Pbassmanca]

I'm an Owner/Operator Truck Driver, so I don't gig very much anymore. At one time, I did the 40 hour a week job, plus roughly 220 live gigs a year thing, and I used much more portable gear back then.

My band plays classic hard rock and old school Metal covers, with some original material. Because I use a Tech 21 GED-2112 preamp, I use a stereo power amp, and run separate "Dirty" and "Clean" channels into separate cabinets. 95% of the time, my pair of PH212s is more than I need.

There aren't very many bars to play live in my area, especially for the material we play, AND that we're group of old guys rocking out, but that's not really my band's focus. We're having fun, and playing local festivals and seasonal outdoor gigs is what we're working towards.

I'm buying the PH610 for the rare outdoor gig, where I'll need more stage coverage. -And to finally have that stupidly massive bass amp that I always dreamed of in my youth.

I'd love a powerhouse 610!

 

[Pbassmanca]

I'm an Owner/Operator Truck Driver, so I don't gig very much anymore. At one time, I did the 40 hour a week job, plus roughly 220 live gigs a year thing, and I used much more portable gear back then.

My band plays classic hard rock and old school Metal covers, with some original material. Because I use a Tech 21 GED-2112 preamp, I use a stereo power amp, and run separate "Dirty" and "Clean" channels into separate cabinets. 95% of the time, my pair of PH212s is more than I need.

There aren't very many bars to play live in my area, especially for the material we play, AND that we're group of old guys rocking out, but that's not really my band's focus. We're having fun, and playing local festivals and seasonal outdoor gigs is what we're working towards.

I'm buying the PH610 for the rare outdoor gig, where I'll need more stage coverage. -And to finally have that stupidly massive bass amp that I always dreamed of in my youth.

A Subway 410 / 210 stack would do the job though.....

 

[Arthur U. Poon]

A Subway 410 / 210 stack would do the job though.....

Or a pair of Subway 410"s!

 

[Arthur U. Poon]

Absolutely

I'm a casino circuit player doing top40 and dance and R&B, it's usually fri & sat nights 9pm-1am gigs, ~3 weekends a month. And for the past year and a half been using two PH210 cabs.

I could never make use of one single speaker, it would just be a fart machine for me. I've never seen that you could pump tons of watts into a single speaker...you can fill more space with multiple speakers and a lower wattage amp, than a high power amp and one speaker. My Bass 400 making 240w into a PH212 is a lot of power in this band, but in my former originals metal band that same Bass 400 needed two PH212 cabs to keep up with a metal drummer and much louder guitarists. Loud and detuned 'heavy' notes soaks up a lot of power, which was why I had bought the Strategy 8:88.

I very much agree. Harder edged styles require lots of power, and speakers. For me, the PH212 and PH610 cabinets have a voicing that works really well for the rock styles that I play, and I know they'd be equally good for many other styles.

When I was playing 200+ gigs a year, I played casinos quite often. Those gigs were fun.

 

[pfschim]

I get you! I last toured primarily with an Eden D210XLT stacked on top of my rolling rack rig and tilted back a bit to aim at my ears. I think I had about 240W available and never clipped the amp that I remember. My rig served as my personal monitor. The PA did the heavy lifting and stage monitors provided bass to anyone else who wanted to hear it.

unless I missed it along the way, MikeBass really did not say if he gets PA support for bass on his many gigs. If so, heck a 1x10 would work too ... as long as there was a meaningful PA and decent monitoring that included bass. I've had that luxury in the recent past when one band I was in had its own decently equipped PA, dedicated sound tech and even a small crew to load-in/out (ahh, those were the days ). It was also the last time I regularly took my Berg NV610 and Fender Studio Bass amp out too (because someone else moved it for me ).

FWIW, I definitely don't like loud stage sound and work hard to keep my dB level down on stage. But you have to have enough rig for the gig no matter how large or small.

 

[Wasnex]

unless I missed it along the way, MikeBass really did not say if he gets PA support for bass on his many gigs. If so, heck a 1x10 would work too ... as long as there was a meaningful PA and decent monitoring that included bass. I've had that luxury in the recent past when one band I was in had its own decently equipped PA, dedicated sound tech and even a small crew to load-in/out (ahh, those were the days ). It was also the last time I regularly took my Berg NV610 and Fender Studio Bass amp out too (because someone else moved it for me ).

FWIW, I definitely don't like loud stage sound and work hard to keep my dB level down on stage. But you have to have enough rig for the gig no matter how large or small.

He mentioned doing outdoor gigs and festivals with only one or two 12s, so I am assuming he gets PA support .

 

[MikeBass]

Yes, always PA support.
Haven’t played a gig where I had to carry the room in quite a while.

If I have to, I’m sure a pair of PH12’s would level a place nicely.

 

[tombowlus]

I'd love a powerhouse 610!

Truly, one of the stand-out Mesa cabs, IME/IMHO, that is among a field of generally fantastic Mesa bass cabs!

 

[MikeBass]

Truly, one of the stand-out Mesa cabs, IME/IMHO, that is among a field of generally fantastic Mesa bass cabs!

Hi Tom!!!!


Anyone know where I can score a 4:88 footswitch?

 

[hennessybass]

Hi Tom!!!!


Anyone know where I can score a 4:88 footswitch?

Footswitch - Bass Prodigy w/Cable

 

[MikeBass]

Well damn.....there ya go then....lol

Ordered!