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Double Bass Mic or pickup into PA for FOH?

Mic or pickup to FOH in larger venues?

  • Mic only with no bass amp, use monitors for stage volume

    Votes: 5 14.7%
  • Mic to both FOH and bass amp

    Votes: 5 14.7%
  • Mic to FOH, pickup to bass amp

    Votes: 13 38.2%
  • Pickup to both FOH and bass amp

    Votes: 11 32.4%

  • Total voters
    34
... "what would you do in an ideal situation for getting the best sound" ...

Ok, that's an easy decision for me. Send my mounted mic output to the FOH and use their monitor...

I much prefer my mounted mic over my piezos for tone.

I also much prefer the sound of "an ideal" FOH over my amp.

Nothing against my piezos, but they sound like piezos.

Let the sound people do their job.

No schlepping of my own sound gear.

The sound people typically love a clean mic feed into their systems.

Also then I can blame any sound problems on the sound people (of course never happens).
 
Point taken. Maybe I should have used "real world" instead of ideal. Of course we'd all like to play in an acoustically perfect room where no amplification is needed and we hear the bass the same as the guy in the nose bleed seats.
 
I wasn't kidding though. I've actually had an experience last year like I mentioned above, as close to perfect as I've seen anyway... It truly can happen in the real world.

It was in a huge carpeted ~18' high ceiling church fellowship hall / recreation room for which someone had painstakingly installed about a dozen 12" powered 500W speakers on the ceiling in carefully measured intervals. The sound tech (and Minister of Media) was very knowledgeable and knew his way around their sound system very well. Our band was playing there on a floor-level stage for a "barn party" type of get-together, where I was on banjo, not on bass, but the sound tech and I worked out the details for hooking my Alcoa up for our band's bass player...

We wirelessly connected my Alcoa's mounted Senn e604 directly into their sound system and in seconds the tech had it dialed in, along with the other mics and the monitors that he was providing for all of us. There was a little feedback during the setup, but the tech turned down the ceiling speaker that was closest to us, and with that it was settled. Sound, including the double bass, was great for the whole program. Our bassist had a ball! I was overjoyed with the bass tone, it was the sound of a good acoustic double bass, not electric. We all found ourselves wishing we could play longer.

We hope to one day play there again!
 
Not an option in the poll, but if an option on the gig:

Mic and Pickup to FOH, 2 individual lines, FOH can mix them out front as they see fit. The engineer has the best vantage point of the gig.

Pickup only to my amp.

NO bass in any monitors. The last thing I want is a feedback loop on stage or a monitor that is blasting 8x louder than my amp. Feels terrible.

If things get weird/bad/wonky, the first thing to go is the mic. It's the icing on the cake for my tone. I use it far more to get some "air" into the instrument. The pickup handles the vast majority of the lows and punch.
 
Not an option in the poll, but I blend a mic sound with the pick-up to my liking using a Tonedexter and send that to my amp and the FOH. The sound person can then craft that to create a good room sound. Starting this way seems to put more of the control of the sound in my hands, requiring less radical tone-shaping by the sound person. No bass in the monitors! The only time I’ve had trouble with this is when a substitute sound person insisted on cranking the mids on the bass sound. Ugh!
 
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Seems to be a common thread, no bass in the monitors... Our band prefers ALL on-stage work without monitors, since that is how we practice and it is how we jam, with our instruments being all acoustic we balance and blend our instruments with our voices based on how we really sound. Monitors tend to mess that up.

A lot of the time the sound person or team already has monitors out and rather than confuse them we'll let them do their thing, but we tell them we balance ourselves so don't try to do it in real-time in the mix or in the monitors. I've never specified no bass in the monitors to a sound person, but I've also never had complaints from our band mates that the monitors were driving the bass too hard, so far...

I'll keep the "No Bass In The Monitors" concept in mind though, thanks to all who have mentioned it!
 
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It gets a little weird when you're playing large, outdoor events though. The sound on the stand can definitely be lower than the sound going through the PA system and you definitely need something the will keep the sound immediately hitting your ears to come from someplace close to the band, not 20 feet to the side and 10 feet in front of you. THAT can be more than a little disconcerting, no pun intended...

The two rooms in the city I was always happy to play in were BIRDLAND (the room on the main level, I never played the BIRDLAND THEATER on the basement level) and BONAFIDE (there was only one sound guy that was Not Happening there, everybody else was great).
 
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Oh how I agree with that. Apart from the feedback issue the other guys in the band prefer their monitors bass-free. My backline is plenty for me. And them.

This has not been my experience playing in, or running sound for big bands. Unfortunately most big bands want lots of bass in the monitors; often enough to significantly degrade the sound.

Mic'ing an upright is problematic when the sound is sent through any speaker that are near the bass; it does not matter if it is a bass amp or monitors. The upright bass is not a very loud sound source and the microphone responds to which ever sound is loudest. If the sound coming from surrounding instruments is louder at the mic than the bass, then the bleed from those instruments will be louder than the signal from the bass. If the sound coming back to the mic from the amp or monitors approaches the acoustic volume of the bass at the capsule, then the signal will be significantly degraded and gain before feedback will be very low. Distance and/or isolation are very important tools to draw on, and both are typically in short supply in a big band environment.

I will suggest again: If the channels are available, send a mic and pickup signal to FOH; with the preference to use the mic for FOH if possible. Typically sound check does not allow a lot of time to fuss with the bass to get it perfect. Either the mic will work with minimal effort or the bass will sound bad for the duration of the concert. Sending the pickup provides options that an experienced audio tech can work with.

If bass is desired in the monitors, the signal from the pickup has the best chance of working without causing problems, but again the audio tech should have options instead of being potentially forced to provide bad audio because the bass player wants to call the shots.

If your amp is pushing the band without PA support, do whatever you want because all of the blame or praise will fall on you. If you are running through the PA, it's a team effort and I would argue that the audio tech deserves a chance to do a good job.

Usually if the sound is too loud or the mix is not perfect, the audio tech gets the blame. But in many situations the problems are caused by musicians making decisions that deprive the audio tech of the power to do the job well. For example, if one or more of the musicians on stage plays louder than the mix should be, the audio tech cannot fix it. If someone selects equipment or processes their signal in a way that significantly degrades their sound, there is nothing the audio tech can do to fix it. If you only send the audio tech a mic'ed signal you may be sending a signal that is virtually unusable in some settings.

Many of us know how wonderful an upright bass can sound through a mic when we play solo. And of course that is the sound we want and crave. Unfortunately the results you can get with a mic and recording equipment do not translate to noisy environments where the mic is used in conjunction with amplification and sound reinforcement. The noisier the environment in the immediate vicinity of the mic, the less useful it will be.
 
Well,

Just my experience of course, but unless the sound engineer is really savvy, Double Bass can very easily become a problem through the monitors, so as you say a little goes a long way. I've been on a fair amount of stages and

had both good experiences and bad, I think it's also really dependent on the style of music you're playing. A really intense burning jazz group, is hard to mix for unless the person knows what their doing. While backing a folk group

works great because the density (sorry I don't have a better description) sound coming from the band is easier to mix. Just my take though.
 
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Well,

Just my experience of course, but unless the sound engineer is really savvy, Double Bass can very easily become a problem through the monitors, so as you say a little goes a long way. I've been on a fair amount of stages and

had both good experiences and bad, I think it's also really dependent on the style of music you're playing. A really intense burning jazz group, is hard to mix for unless the person knows what their doing. While backing a folk group

works great because the density (sorry I don't have a better description) sound coming from the band is harder to mix. Just my take though.

I agree having a skilled audio tech is very helpful.

If the upright works well with an amp, it's generally not a problem to use monitors on stage. There are some considerations though. For example monitor placement is a bit more critical. Sending bass to a monitor that is close to an upright is likely to cause feedback or a least destructive interference. Generally not a problem if bass is sent to monitors that are a significant distance away.

IMHO, putting too much bass in the monitors can degrade house sound as well. At the volume I run a show at, it's often difficult to mix the bass hot enough to get it over the stage wash. From an audio tech's perspective, it would be desirable if less bass was coming from stage, and too much bass in the monitors is often the source of the problem. One little helpful trick I use is to run HPF on the outputs of monitor sends. I usually start with the HPF set at 100hz.
 
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I don't play in jazz bands very often (I'm basically incompetent when playing jazz), mostly electric blues and retro country. So loud drums, electric guitars, etc. Miking isn't really an option and no sound man has ever suggested it. They usually want to use an amp DI. I carry a Baggs Paracoustic DI in my bag for ampless situations and emergencies.