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Microphone Preamp - What are you using?

I have always relied on my audio interface preamps, until recently when I discovered how much better dedicated mic preamps are for recording bass.

I went from a Focusrite 2i2 to a MOTU M4. There was a marginal improvement, but nothing astronomical. I recently bought a Black Lion Auteur 2-channel preamp--Wow! What a difference in the sound quality. The lows, mids and highs are much improved with the mic preamp.

I caught the preamp GAS bug and now have a Black Lion B173 4-channel preamp. This is based on the Neve 1073, so I am curious how/if the sound quality will be dramatically different. I suspect not, but I do need more channels for other things in the studio.

Current signal chain: Bass -- Broughton HPF/LPF -- Empress Compressor -- Arkham Oracle -- Ampeg PF50T -- Black Lion Preamp -- MOTU M4 (Channel 1)
Ampeg B15 Cab -- Heil PR40 Mic -- Black Lion Preamp -- MOTU M4 (Channel 2)

What microphone preamps are you using? Why?
 
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Most of my preamps are RME. I can run 20 phantom powered mics simultaneously all on RME preamps.

Which I feel is enough for anything I am likely to be required to deal with in my modest facility.


The reason I like the RME preamps is because they are transparent.

Good stuff in equals good stuff out. They pass signal without perceivably changing or colouring the sound.

I tend to work in an old school way, where I depend upon critical mic choice and crucially mic placement in the sweet spot of the sound source in order to get a killer quality of sound. Similar to the late Al Schmitt.

All this presumes that the music and artists are of sufficient calibre and quality that the good stuff in they are delivering will equal good stuff out, and therefore my task is to simply capture the emotion of their spontaneous performance in the room.


This is rather different from the approach where the sound in the live room isn’t what the producer really wants.

Especially when the artist isn’t great, so needs something extra to cloak that. Or a particular, coloured sound is required. Or a specific, peculiar, qualitative sonic aspect, is sought.

For instance, I understand that the producer of Barry Whites recordings used a specific mic and preamp combination, with the pre amp delivering a low resolution of quality if I can put it like that. A grainier quality of sound to emphasise and augment and accentuate particular rough qualities in his voice.


So, writing as a generality, for me the artist stood in front of the mic or the musician, and his instrument already deliver a killer sound, and I am trying to faithfully capture that sound for posterity.

This is different to having an artist stood in front of the mic that really isn’t good enough to be there, and so trying to make their voice sound a lot “better” than it does in reality.

Or having a musician that can’t really cut it in the studio and therefore trying to make something out of it to save the performance.

Usually, for me the first or second take are keepers, though occasionally a third take might be necessary.

The speed of the results is a direct reflection of the quality of the performers involved.

So there are people I wouldn’t choose to record, preferring not to.

Some people need to be told they are not ready for that.

They need to practice and improve.


You mentioned Neve. Years ago, the late Rupert Neve was a great help to the group I was in, and he put all his bods at our disposal.

He, like all the greatest audio designers in recording history was really seeking what he called “transparency”. That his equipment didn’t add or take anything from the sound, but faith fully represented the performance that had been captured.

For sure it could be argued that equipment designed 60 years ago, has a sound of its own, even if that sound is very good as in the case of Neve Large Format Recording Consoles or the forward sounding Solid State Logic, based nearby my home.

But that isn’t what the greatest designers like George Massenburg for instance are really seeking. They do not want to colour the sound.

Though it has to be said there is plenty of equipment around that will colour the sound, if that’s what you want or need to do.


But let me explain why a transparent preamp is better and more useful than a coloured preamp.

If you peruse lots of recording fora, you will undoubtably come across statements claiming excellent results with “A” preamp on Bass but that its no good for guitar and male voice.

That “B” preamp is great for piano and strings but no good for female voice. That “C” preamp is brilliant for horns and cymbals but that it’s no good for electric guitar amps etc. et al.


Such statements, found all over the internet proclaim a truth that is the central point of my writing.

A coloured preamp will inevitably highlight and accentuate particular sonic characteristics that will seemingly enhance some sound sources, but lamentably, to the complete detriment of other sound sources that are different in character.

What makes it good for one sound source, makes it bad for another different sound source. So, if one chooses to go down the route of seeking coloured sounding preamps then one will obviously need a lot of different preamps to get the best colour one desires for each and every sound source.

Great, if one has absolutely unlimited funds, copious amounts of outboard space and endless wiring options for all this equipment that will eventually be required.


Conversely, if we think about a Massenburg Labs preamp for instance.

They are by design great sounding, very high quality, but neutral or transparent in that they pass signal faithfully. This is what I like about RME.

Therefore, you can utilise them on whatever sound source one desires and they will deliver a truly great sound, providing what is in front of the mic is delivering a great performance.

So, they are far more useful, far more versatile, far more cost effective and to my mind a much better long-term investment in quality hardware, simply because they are by design intended to be faithfully transparent to be used on whatever one likes.


If you think back to the golden era of great recording where Large Format Recording Consoles dominated all the major recording studios. The preamps were built into the console.

They were designed to be transparent (as transparent as the then existing technologies permitted), and by not colouring the sound could be used on male voice, female voice, strings, horns, woodwind, piano, organ, drums, bass, guitar electric guitar, etc. et al.

So, for me, in general, I prefer transparent preamps because they sound great provided the sound source is great (if it isn’t what are you doing recording it?). Furthermore, they can be used on any sound source, so are more versatile and cost effective as a long-term investment in recording hardware.
 
Quote: “What microphone preamps are you using? Why?”


Most of my preamps are RME. I can run 20 phantom powered mics simultaneously all on RME preamps.

Which I feel is enough for anything I am likely to be required to deal with in my modest facility.


The reason I like the RME preamps is because they are transparent.

Good stuff in equals good stuff out. They pass signal without perceivably changing or colouring the sound.

I tend to work in an old school way, where I depend upon critical mic choice and crucially mic placement in the sweet spot of the sound source in order to get a killer quality of sound. Similar to the late Al Schmitt.

All this presumes that the music and artists are of sufficient calibre and quality that the good stuff in they are delivering will equal good stuff out, and therefore my task is to simply capture the emotion of their spontaneous performance in the room.


This is rather different from the approach where the sound in the live room isn’t what the producer really wants.

Especially when the artist isn’t great, so needs something extra to cloak that. Or a particular, coloured sound is required. Or a specific, peculiar, qualitative sonic aspect, is sought.

For instance, I understand that the producer of Barry Whites recordings used a specific mic and preamp combination, with the pre amp delivering a low resolution of quality if I can put it like that. A grainier quality of sound to emphasise and augment and accentuate particular rough qualities in his voice.


So, writing as a generality, for me the artist stood in front of the mic or the musician, and his instrument already deliver a killer sound, and I am trying to faithfully capture that sound for posterity.

This is different to having an artist stood in front of the mic that really isn’t good enough to be there, and so trying to make their voice sound a lot “better” than it does in reality.

Or having a musician that can’t really cut it in the studio and therefore trying to make something out of it to save the performance.

Usually, for me the first or second take are keepers, though occasionally a third take might be necessary.

The speed of the results is a direct reflection of the quality of the performers involved.

So there are people I wouldn’t choose to record, preferring not to.

Some people need to be told they are not ready for that.

They need to practice and improve.


You mentioned Neve. Years ago, the late Rupert Neve was a great help to the group I was in, and he put all his bods at our disposal.

He, like all the greatest audio designers in recording history was really seeking what he called “transparency”. That his equipment didn’t add or take anything from the sound, but faith fully represented the performance that had been captured.

For sure it could be argued that equipment designed 60 years ago, has a sound of its own, even if that sound is very good as in the case of Neve Large Format Recording Consoles or the forward sounding Solid State Logic, based nearby my home.

But that isn’t what the greatest designers like George Massenburg for instance are really seeking. They do not want to colour the sound.

Though it has to be said there is plenty of equipment around that will colour the sound, if that’s what you want or need to do.


But let me explain why a transparent preamp is better and more useful than a coloured preamp.

If you peruse lots of recording fora, you will undoubtably come across statements claiming excellent results with “A” preamp on Bass but that its no good for guitar and male voice.

That “B” preamp is great for piano and strings but no good for female voice. That “C” preamp is brilliant for horns and cymbals but that it’s no good for electric guitar amps etc. et al.


Such statements, found all over the internet proclaim a truth that is the central point of my writing.

A coloured preamp will inevitably highlight and accentuate particular sonic characteristics that will seemingly enhance some sound sources, but lamentably, to the complete detriment of other sound sources that are different in character.

What makes it good for one sound source, makes it bad for another different sound source. So, if one chooses to go down the route of seeking coloured sounding preamps then one will obviously need a lot of different preamps to get the best colour one desires for each and every sound source.

Great, if one has absolutely unlimited funds, copious amounts of outboard space and endless wiring options for all this equipment that will eventually be required.


Conversely, if we think about a Massenburg Labs preamp for instance.

They are by design great sounding, very high quality, but neutral or transparent in that they pass signal faithfully. This is what I like about RME.

Therefore, you can utilise them on whatever sound source one desires and they will deliver a truly great sound, providing what is in front of the mic is delivering a great performance.

So, they are far more useful, far more versatile, far more cost effective and to my mind a much better long-term investment in quality hardware, simply because they are by design intended to be faithfully transparent to be used on whatever one likes.


If you think back to the golden era of great recording where Large Format Recording Consoles dominated all the major recording studios. The preamps were built into the console.

They were designed to be transparent (as transparent as the then existing technologies permitted), and by not colouring the sound could be used on male voice, female voice, strings, horns, woodwind, piano, organ, drums, bass, guitar electric guitar, etc. et al.

So, for me, in general, I prefer transparent preamps because they sound great provided the sound source is great (if it isn’t what are you doing recording it?). Furthermore, they can be used on any sound source, so are more versatile and cost effective as a long-term investment in recording hardware.
I really appreciate the information.
In terms of the current equipment I own, I hear the Black Lion Auteur line is cleaner/more transparent than the Neve 1073 clones like the Black Lion B173 Quad. I don't know which one I will like better. I'm definetely excited to try out a few preamps and see which one I like the most.

About a year ago, I owned a Universal Audio Solo610 that I thought was pretty good. I wouldn't describe it as clean/transparent though.
 
Quote: “What microphone preamps are you using? Why?”


Most of my preamps are RME. I can run 20 phantom powered mics simultaneously all on RME preamps.

Which I feel is enough for anything I am likely to be required to deal with in my modest facility.


The reason I like the RME preamps is because they are transparent.

Good stuff in equals good stuff out. They pass signal without perceivably changing or colouring the sound.

I tend to work in an old school way, where I depend upon critical mic choice and crucially mic placement in the sweet spot of the sound source in order to get a killer quality of sound. Similar to the late Al Schmitt.

All this presumes that the music and artists are of sufficient calibre and quality that the good stuff in they are delivering will equal good stuff out, and therefore my task is to simply capture the emotion of their spontaneous performance in the room.


This is rather different from the approach where the sound in the live room isn’t what the producer really wants.

Especially when the artist isn’t great, so needs something extra to cloak that. Or a particular, coloured sound is required. Or a specific, peculiar, qualitative sonic aspect, is sought.

For instance, I understand that the producer of Barry Whites recordings used a specific mic and preamp combination, with the pre amp delivering a low resolution of quality if I can put it like that. A grainier quality of sound to emphasise and augment and accentuate particular rough qualities in his voice.


So, writing as a generality, for me the artist stood in front of the mic or the musician, and his instrument already deliver a killer sound, and I am trying to faithfully capture that sound for posterity.

This is different to having an artist stood in front of the mic that really isn’t good enough to be there, and so trying to make their voice sound a lot “better” than it does in reality.

Or having a musician that can’t really cut it in the studio and therefore trying to make something out of it to save the performance.

Usually, for me the first or second take are keepers, though occasionally a third take might be necessary.

The speed of the results is a direct reflection of the quality of the performers involved.

So there are people I wouldn’t choose to record, preferring not to.

Some people need to be told they are not ready for that.

They need to practice and improve.


You mentioned Neve. Years ago, the late Rupert Neve was a great help to the group I was in, and he put all his bods at our disposal.

He, like all the greatest audio designers in recording history was really seeking what he called “transparency”. That his equipment didn’t add or take anything from the sound, but faith fully represented the performance that had been captured.

For sure it could be argued that equipment designed 60 years ago, has a sound of its own, even if that sound is very good as in the case of Neve Large Format Recording Consoles or the forward sounding Solid State Logic, based nearby my home.

But that isn’t what the greatest designers like George Massenburg for instance are really seeking. They do not want to colour the sound.

Though it has to be said there is plenty of equipment around that will colour the sound, if that’s what you want or need to do.


But let me explain why a transparent preamp is better and more useful than a coloured preamp.

If you peruse lots of recording fora, you will undoubtably come across statements claiming excellent results with “A” preamp on Bass but that its no good for guitar and male voice.

That “B” preamp is great for piano and strings but no good for female voice. That “C” preamp is brilliant for horns and cymbals but that it’s no good for electric guitar amps etc. et al.


Such statements, found all over the internet proclaim a truth that is the central point of my writing.

A coloured preamp will inevitably highlight and accentuate particular sonic characteristics that will seemingly enhance some sound sources, but lamentably, to the complete detriment of other sound sources that are different in character.

What makes it good for one sound source, makes it bad for another different sound source. So, if one chooses to go down the route of seeking coloured sounding preamps then one will obviously need a lot of different preamps to get the best colour one desires for each and every sound source.

Great, if one has absolutely unlimited funds, copious amounts of outboard space and endless wiring options for all this equipment that will eventually be required.


Conversely, if we think about a Massenburg Labs preamp for instance.

They are by design great sounding, very high quality, but neutral or transparent in that they pass signal faithfully. This is what I like about RME.

Therefore, you can utilise them on whatever sound source one desires and they will deliver a truly great sound, providing what is in front of the mic is delivering a great performance.

So, they are far more useful, far more versatile, far more cost effective and to my mind a much better long-term investment in quality hardware, simply because they are by design intended to be faithfully transparent to be used on whatever one likes.


If you think back to the golden era of great recording where Large Format Recording Consoles dominated all the major recording studios. The preamps were built into the console.

They were designed to be transparent (as transparent as the then existing technologies permitted), and by not colouring the sound could be used on male voice, female voice, strings, horns, woodwind, piano, organ, drums, bass, guitar electric guitar, etc. et al.

So, for me, in general, I prefer transparent preamps because they sound great provided the sound source is great (if it isn’t what are you doing recording it?). Furthermore, they can be used on any sound source, so are more versatile and cost effective as a long-term investment in recording hardware.
Great post, I love RME mic pres as well. Also using a 1073 clone and a Phoenix Audio outboard preamps. RME gives me the transparent sound, the outboard mic pres give me character and more importantly great sounding EQs. I like monitoring with the EQ engaged and usually end up preferring those tracks but still grab a dry track through the RME hi-z input or an RNDI feeding the RME mic pre.
 
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What microphone preamps are you using? Why?

Over the years I have been gradually downsizing my personal recording facility to the point where now it is optimized for just doing bass tracks. So I've gotten rid of the big analog console with all its multiple mic preamps, and I've decommisioned the small digital console with all its multiple mic preamps, and my outboard mic preamp collection is down to just one two-channel unit: a Demeter VTMP-2b

Why? Because it would cost me a crap-ton of money to get a better mic pre than that Demeter, and the ROI would be negligible. Frankly, the Demeter is probably overkill for 90% of the recording I do, but at least I can be confident knowing that my preamp isn't the weak link in the chain.
 
Excluding channel strips; Preamps fall into two basic categories:
  1. Transparent preamps intended to be linear throughout their gain range. These typically contain no transformers or tubes, but there are exceptions.
  2. Character preamps intended to provide color by introducing varying degrees of saturation into transformers, tubes, or other circuit components, both in spec and otherwise.
What I’ve learned over the years and owning many channels in each category is that character preamps really only introduce noticeable levels of their intended character when they’re pushed into some form of audible non-linearity of the input signal. Below that point you might as well just use a well-functioning, low noise transparent preamp with sufficient gain and input impedance for your intended application. Currently I’ve got a Heritage TT-73 (high end 1073 clone), a UA LA610 mkII channel strip, and an ART TransX (an excellent prosumer tier Hardy clone), all of which are exceptional at what they do. That said, unless I’m ready to commit on the way in and push any of these to the point of introducing non-linearity, I’ll just reach for my trusty Line Audio 8MP, which is virtually noise free, has plenty of gain on tap, and sounds identical at any point in the gain range as long as it’s not clipping.
 
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Well, my Black Lion B173 Quad was dead on arrival. I am sending it back today. So, for the Black Lion Auteur 2 channel preamp is doing exactly what I need it to do...clean gain with a little character added. I'm thinking of just sticking with it for now...unless I find a good deal on something. I just don't want to spend the $$ for what would be very marginal improvements.

The Line Audio 8MP looks interesting. Too bad they are no longer in production.
 
I had the q-strip in the past and thought it was a decent EQ/DI. Unfortunately, it had a typical Tech 21 sound though (somewhat clangy and brittle on the high end). I eventually moved on to the Broughton Messenger--which didn't affect my tone at all. For EQ, I use my Oracle and the amp's EQ section.
 
I've been obsessed with Retro Instruments over the past few years. The Powerstrip is my go-to for DI bass, vox (VO or singing). I also have 2 channels of the 500PRE into Great River EQs and compressors, which I use all the time. I feel like mic pres are kinda like instruments: different pres for different sounds/applications. Retro just happens to have a super musical, gooey, warm...thing, that really works for me.

I frequently use the RME Fireface 802 as an interface when I'm doing more complex recordings (like this, e.g.) and *completely* understand the value of using super transparent pres. But still, there's a lot of magic in finding the pre that just, I dunno, adds some magic to a track. Even on that recording, the bass, vox, overheads, guitar were all going through preamps with some (or a lot of) color, which ultimately made it easier to get a mix with some interesting life in it.
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I've been obsessed with Retro Instruments over the past few years. The Powerstrip is my go-to for DI bass, vox (VO or singing). I also have 2 channels of the 500PRE into Great River EQs and compressors, which I use all the time. I feel like mic pres are kinda like instruments: different pres for different sounds/applications. Retro just happens to have a super musical, gooey, warm...thing, that really works for me.

I frequently use the RME Fireface 802 as an interface when I'm doing more complex recordings (like this, e.g.) and *completely* understand the value of using super transparent pres. But still, there's a lot of magic in finding the pre that just, I dunno, adds some magic to a track. Even on that recording, the bass, vox, overheads, guitar were all going through preamps with some (or a lot of) color, which ultimately made it easier to get a mix with some interesting life in it.View attachment 5013978
You guys sound great! Also, thanks for introducing me to a couple of brands I have never heard of. The Retro Powerstrip looks really nice! The back of that unit is unlike any preamp I've seen so far.
 
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