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"Mini 4x10's"

Several years ago, before the neodymium revolution, SWR had the Hank Jr. 4x8 cabinet. A year ago, Markbass brought out the 406 cab, which featured 6.5" drivers, and has debuted the 408 at Winter NAMM earlier this month. This new 4x8 is less than 50 lbs, and is rated to handle 1kw RMS (yep, 1000 watts, for those of you not properly versed in metric expression). Methinks that this might make for the ultimate mini-rig of doom when a Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 is placed atop it, but I am a GB loyalist of a decade plus, and would hope that they are working on something of similar compact size and immense rated power.
 
The smallest 410s I know of is the schroeder 410BMF and the swr golite 410.

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I doubt most 4x8s are really going to do it since you lose alot of speaker surface area. However, apparently LDS makes a killer cab using 'long throw' 8s.
 
the MB 4x6 is awesome. I'd get 2 of those over one 4x8 cab for an ideal small stack setup, but you're right

Not quite so 'mini' rig unless your bass and amp are both in the same gigbag and you can carry the cab with both hands and make it in one trip.
 
those are not 4x10's :p Ampeg also made a 4x8 and don't forget the SWR 8X8 . Some of those GB single cabs should do it for you as well ;) Here's my "mini" rig I can break it down to a single 10 at 4 ohms pushing 350 watts and these little Schroeder cabs really hold it together , or 2x10 Bagends at 4ohm or all 3 at 2ohms at 500 watts :D
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Folks, you're missing my point somewhat. A 4x8 rated to handle a kilowatt, powered by an amp that will throw 500w into it at 8 ohms, ought to be rather loud; a "mini 4x10" in essence; thus the title of this thread. I look at the portability issue, since a pair of 4x8's thus rated would get 900w from a GB Shuttle 9.0, come in at under 100 lbs/50 kilos, and be transportable in a regular family sedan. With microamps clearly being the growing wave, it stands to reason that "smaller but loud" cabs are the companion to that. There will always be the need for big cabs, and there will always be those who will want to power them with big amps too, but for those of us who gig frequently and want to minimize the schlep factor, I believe that my original post of this thread is a "heads up" to manufacturers (specifically GB) about a market niche.

I addressed this topic with Jeff Genzler himself in November, when I bought a Shuttle 3.0 (1x10) combo at a GB event, and a few weeks later, I got an Ampeg VR2 (2x10) cab to put underneath it for 300w and a small stage footprint. I love the simplicity of this setup, and it is plenty loud for a typical bar gig with my band. I still have a GBE400 atop a pair of LS112T's for larger gigs, and could combine both rigs if I really needed to bring thunder. Usually the pair of 12's is enough for larger rooms, and outdoor shows, which typically have PA support.

Back to the conversation with Jeff Genzler: When asked what surprises we might see at Winter NAMM, he replied that there would not be any new rollouts, but that Summer NAMM would see a few. Thus, my first post in this thread was a hopeful expression of what I'd like to see, especially in the wake of what MarkBass rolled out at Winter NAMM. It's no secret that, right now anyway, GB and MB are the clear front-runners in microamps and small rigs, with SWR now ready to join the race in earnest with their headlight and amplight offerings and golight cabs. The SWR "mini 4x10" rig that I would possibly look at would be a headplight atop a pair of golight 2x10's, for 400w, and family sedan portability and around 100lbs/50 kilos in total weight. Prior to my 1999 switch to GB, I played SWR gear, including Henry the 8x8. I was very skeptical about 8" drivers back then, but that cab changed the outlook, and now, with advancements in technology, we might be ready to see the 8" driver gaining even more utility and popularity.

Hopefully, this second post will aid in steering the discussion a bit more precisely.
 
What is the sensitivity of said cabs? I guess what I'm thinking is, why through a thousand watts into a cab with 4 or more small speakers, when much less power will create equal volume with fewer larger speakers. More speakers equals more $$ and more weight. There must be a point of diminishing returns.

Just thinking out loud. Sensitivity numbers along with size and weight would be helpful. Is a 112 more sensitive than a 4x6.5? I'm thinking the 112 would weigh less and be cheaper to buy.
 
Folks, you're missing my point somewhat. A 4x8 rated to handle a kilowatt, powered by an amp that will throw 500w into it at 8 ohms, ought to be rather loud; a "mini 4x10" in essence; thus the title of this thread. I look at the portability issue, since a pair of 4x8's thus rated would get 900w from a GB Shuttle 9.0, come in at under 100 lbs/50 kilos, and be transportable in a regular family sedan. With microamps clearly being the growing wave, it stands to reason that "smaller but loud" cabs are the companion to that. There will always be the need for big cabs, and there will always be those who will want to power them with big amps too, but for those of us who gig frequently and want to minimize the schlep factor, I believe that my original post of this thread is a "heads up" to manufacturers (specifically GB) about a market niche.

I addressed this topic with Jeff Genzler himself in November, when I bought a Shuttle 3.0 (1x10) combo at a GB event, and a few weeks later, I got an Ampeg VR2 (2x10) cab to put underneath it for 300w and a small stage footprint. I love the simplicity of this setup, and it is plenty loud for a typical bar gig with my band. I still have a GBE400 atop a pair of LS112T's for larger gigs, and could combine both rigs if I really needed to bring thunder. Usually the pair of 12's is enough for larger rooms, and outdoor shows, which typically have PA support.

Back to the conversation with Jeff Genzler: When asked what surprises we might see at Winter NAMM, he replied that there would not be any new rollouts, but that Summer NAMM would see a few. Thus, my first post in this thread was a hopeful expression of what I'd like to see, especially in the wake of what MarkBass rolled out at Winter NAMM. It's no secret that, right now anyway, GB and MB are the clear front-runners in microamps and small rigs, with SWR now ready to join the race in earnest with their headlight and amplight offerings and golight cabs. The SWR "mini 4x10" rig that I would possibly look at would be a headplight atop a pair of golight 2x10's, for 400w, and family sedan portability and around 100lbs/50 kilos in total weight. Prior to my 1999 switch to GB, I played SWR gear, including Henry the 8x8. I was very skeptical about 8" drivers back then, but that cab changed the outlook, and now, with advancements in technology, we might be ready to see the 8" driver gaining even more utility and popularity.

Hopefully, this second post will aid in steering the discussion a bit more precisely.


I am with you all the way. I find the micro amp and Neo revolution very encouraging. As I posted in another thread, I am preparing to downsize from my 1990s big amp 410/118 setup to something lighter and more easily portable. With PA support, I rarely need to carry a large room, so these smaller lightweight designs are ideal for me. The thought of carrying heavy gear up and down stairs is not a very attractive option. These new designs offer real-world solutions for players like me.

Now I just need to decide which one would be best for my needs since there are so many great options to choose from.
 
I remember that Peavey used to make a 2x8 + 1x15 cab. Maybe one of those, made with neodymium speakers, and with a tweeter, and a minimum 500w RMS @ 8 ohms rating might be the answer, and hopefully come in around 60 lbs/30 kilos. A GB Shuttle 9.0 atop one of those might be the ultimate in portable lethality.
 
Who's making 4x8 and/or 4x10 cabs with all drivers aligned vertically? That'd give you better horizontal dispersion than placing the drivers side by side. Anybody rolling your own?

Is the form factor just too different for the market? Admittedly, it could be a bit of a challenge placing anything but the smallest of amp heads on top.
 
All I can say is that I'm used to heavy cabs and do demand loud, full , and rich from them.

Can not believe how light the 4x10 Golight is; too many squids around to have tried it this week but am hoping to test drive tomorrow.

If this sounds anything like their other 4x10's this will be the happiest 38lbs I will carry over and over again; doubt it will replace the 100lb Berg for top sound though
 
If you could convince the folks at LDS to build a vertical 4x8, i bet you would have a killer cabinet that was uber portable - roughly the size and portability of a viola case.

I have discussed this with Don. The first phase is the 2-8/1-6.5 cabinet he built for me last month. Perhaps later this year I may have Don make the 4-8 cabinet. :cool: