Dave is spot on with his statement . Last big session I worked on I spent two weeks listening to this guy working on the same beat in the next studio. The beat never changed and when the rappers came in ,they thought it was the greatest thing ever. It was crap , but it did become a hit . Amazing ,over produced crap , by individuals with marginal talent............THIS SELLS ! And to finish , this producer tells me he's as important as Miles Davis !!!!!!
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More truth from Dave Grohl
- Thread starter stratovani
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I did like his statement but then found it somewhat ironic when he was playing with deadmau5 later in the show and he seemed to be digging that. Totally different music though, so hard to compare. I do like the fact that Grohl seems to be a music enthusiast and that he has a passion for keeping the music true to what he believes in. That being said, I can't get into any FF music, just not my style and a lot of it sounds too "cookie cutter" generic for me.
+1 to everything Eublet has said.
You may not like Foo Fighters music (of which I am also sort of luke warm on), but you can't deny that this man has put in his time in the music industry, perfecting his craft (again whether you care for their music or not), and lived and breathed his music (I just watched the Back and Forth documentary, and I have more respect for Dave Grohl than I ever had).
You also can't deny the truth in his statement or slough it off as a pot calling a kettle black. Learning and perfecting your craft (the music you write, the instruments you play - of which Dave has 20+ years on his belt and MULTIPLE side projects) is much different then being a pretty face off of the street that a producer can mold into a product, and guarantee a million copies sold because of advertising statistics.
Regardless if the Foo's write pop songs, there is no denying that much more of the "human process" (that being of collective minds, talent, emotion, trial and error, and editing) comes into play with their albums, than any auto-tuned Christmas album from whatever flavor of the week is out there, or new T-Pain song that is guaranteed to be a club hit because it has the word "stripper" in it.
To me, he is speaking to the lack of integrity, time and thought that is prevalent in the mass produced pop culture, and placing more validity on earned talent (time, practice, knowledge) than what can be easily produced and perfected by computer software.
You may not like Foo Fighters music (of which I am also sort of luke warm on), but you can't deny that this man has put in his time in the music industry, perfecting his craft (again whether you care for their music or not), and lived and breathed his music (I just watched the Back and Forth documentary, and I have more respect for Dave Grohl than I ever had).
You also can't deny the truth in his statement or slough it off as a pot calling a kettle black. Learning and perfecting your craft (the music you write, the instruments you play - of which Dave has 20+ years on his belt and MULTIPLE side projects) is much different then being a pretty face off of the street that a producer can mold into a product, and guarantee a million copies sold because of advertising statistics.
Regardless if the Foo's write pop songs, there is no denying that much more of the "human process" (that being of collective minds, talent, emotion, trial and error, and editing) comes into play with their albums, than any auto-tuned Christmas album from whatever flavor of the week is out there, or new T-Pain song that is guaranteed to be a club hit because it has the word "stripper" in it.
To me, he is speaking to the lack of integrity, time and thought that is prevalent in the mass produced pop culture, and placing more validity on earned talent (time, practice, knowledge) than what can be easily produced and perfected by computer software.
Again, Dave wasn't comparing music types. As he said, he's worked hard on his craft. He's played drums, bass, guitar, and sang for years. The key word in your statement above was that he was "playing" with another group. That's what music is about, and Dave is great in front of an audience. He puts his heart, soul and total being into it. He's not up their lip syncing or pretending he's playing some instrument. He's actually making music. That was the thrust of his comments. It wasn't about stereotyping the music itself.
Others have their opinions, but I agree with and enjoyed his speech. I have always liked Dave and think he is a talented musician.
Huh... I thought it was supposed to be a stab at ultra-polished, highly-tweaked, Beat Detectived, AutoTuned pop artists...which could mean nearly any genre of music that's cracked the Top 40 in the past few years. Didn't think he meant "electronic artists" exclusively...Katy Perry is just as guilty as Lady Antebellum, as Nikki Minaj, as Maroon5, as... (etc. etc. etc.)
Wow......couldn't agree more!
Mind you....I'm pushing sixty. When I first heard the name "Foo Fighters" I thought to myself....."what the hell kind of a name is THAT for a band?" and, after hearing some of their stuff on the radio, I was convinced that they were just another screaming, psuedo-punk band and pretty much dismissed them as a flash in the pan.
The next thing I know, my son got me a copy of their greatest hits CD/DVD. After giving it a listen, I thought maybe they're not as bad as I thought.
Watched the DVD side of the disc and, when I saw Dave playing an acoustic version of "Times like These", I was hooked.
I soon started exploring their entire catalog and I have to say, the "Skin and Bones" DVD finally set the hook and I'm now a fan!
Check it out.....I promise you won't be disappointed!
Disco is still alive. It's called House Music nowadays.
Hiphop is going strong after three decades, time to man up and get over it
You are on crack.
Foo Fighters are a damn good rock band. I'd bet a good sum of money they are a more powerful, tighter, more focused, better live band than whoever you are playing with right now. Good songs too, if you like that kind of thing.
They would be a damn good rock band if they were playing to 100 people a night on the club circuit. In fact, if they were playing to 100 people a night on the club circuit I'd probably go see them every time they came around.
Winning a Grammy is an interesting curiosity, I guess, if you find the machinations of the industry 'interesting'. But one has nothing to do with the other.
+1 to those above who've spent some time with the Foo Fighters discography. The writing and creativity therein is easily some of the best stuff to come out. While some might dismiss Dave's comment about "formulaic song writing" as meaning it's some how dummed down music, IMHO it's the exact opposite. What he says he learned from Cobain was how to write successful songs that don't compromise on creativity, nor does each tune sound just like the previous one. He's proven that he can be successful, popular, creative, and highly musical all at the same time. That doesn't mean that everyone has to like or love their stuff. I have no problem with folks saying that don't like a given artist at all, but any musician who can say that Dave Grohl and the Foo Fighters don't have their act together, well, I just doubt that person is really a musician at all, or they're just truly ignorant (as in uninformed, not stupid) about what the band has accomplished.
Personally, not a big fan of the Foo's, but it's just my taste.
I understand his comment, but to me music is about putting out a certain sound or getting what's in your head out for people to see and hear. I'm not sure the medium used is as important as the originality......so I have no problem with tech-oriented music.
Saying that electronic or computer-generated music is worthless is like saying cartoons are worthless because they're not real actors.
And I still like cartoons......
I understand his comment, but to me music is about putting out a certain sound or getting what's in your head out for people to see and hear. I'm not sure the medium used is as important as the originality......so I have no problem with tech-oriented music.
Saying that electronic or computer-generated music is worthless is like saying cartoons are worthless because they're not real actors.
And I still like cartoons......
Remember..... that he recorded his latest album "Wasting Light" on tape in his garage.
It's a novelty selling point since nobody does it anymore.
He's just pimping his latest project.
It's a novelty selling point since nobody does it anymore.
He's just pimping his latest project.
No. He's taking pride that in the fact that all the hard work he did, which originated as an idea in his head, and was carried out with conviction in his heart, actually proved to have appeal to a whole lot of folks, and it won him and his band a Grammy. Big difference.
nortonrider said:
There's more home recording going on than ever before in history, that goes for artists on majors as well.Tape is hardly a dead medium. Just expensive.
If I'm not mistaken his home studio houses an API desk and studer 2" machine and all the goodies... Not your average garage by a long shot.
If you watch the "Skin and Bones" DVD, Dave talks about his time in L.A. and it's clearly not where his heart is nor is it where he wants to call home.
I'm sure when he decided to head home and record this is his garage, there were LOTS of naysayers in L.A. telling him that he couldn't and wouldn't be able to do it......successfully.
Whose having the last laugh now????
I think it was a shout out to kids to pick up and instrument, learn to play and write something from your heart. Many kids are tuned into the American Idols and pop stuff that is nothing more than someone selling an OK voice with a ton of glitzy image. It's all marketing with pop stars. You ever really see Dave Grohl in the papers because he is going to dinner with another celeb? No. You don't.
Don't get caught up in these contrived acts being sold to you by the record companies.
In other words. Kill the karaoke acts and rock out. Those acts are usually singing songs written for them by someone else and don't have much input in the creative process. There are exceptions, but not the rule.
Don't get caught up in these contrived acts being sold to you by the record companies.
In other words. Kill the karaoke acts and rock out. Those acts are usually singing songs written for them by someone else and don't have much input in the creative process. There are exceptions, but not the rule.
Huge +1. He's taken chances at every turn throughout his career, things that would have put most people under, but it's his dedication and talent at his craft that keep pushing him over the top. I'm sure the award was an emotional moment for him. That some people don't get it is their loss.If you watch the "Skin and Bones" DVD, Dave talks about his time in L.A. and it's clearly not where his heart is nor is it where he wants to call home.
I'm sure when he decided to head home and record this is his garage, there were LOTS of naysayers in L.A. telling him that he couldn't and wouldn't be able to do it......successfully.
Whose having the last laugh now????
