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Double Bass Motown D.I.

I know these won't be available until January, but I was wondering if any TBers have experience with the Wolf Box III that these direct boxes are based on.

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I don't have a D.I. and have been thinking about a REDDI, but it'd be nice to support a local Detroiter.


Jump Cat,
I like the color, but here's what I know about the Motown setup. Jamerson, went directly into the board through a D.I.with his own individual gain control, but after that it was sent through a Pultec Equalizer, and into a Fairchild Limiter. So, unless this box has magically distilled those two very famous tube studio processors, then it's not going to get the sound of the Motown studio. REDDI's are also quite expensive, but apparently worth the money, based on the TB'er's I know that own one. As far as direct boxes both my Headway EDB-2, and my Equalizer from Leaf Audio, sound great. You could buy both of them, for the price of the Acme. This may be the greatest box in the world, but until someone plays through it, we'll just have to wait and see. If it does replicate that sound
this guy's going to sell a whole lot of Motown DI's.

Ric

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unless this box has magically distilled those two very famous tube studio processors, then it's not going to get the sound of the Motown studio

Plus, I'm not sure if that were that useful. Johnny Layman-bassplayer playin' "Bernadette" at studio A would sound exactly like THAT. Unless someone magically wakes James Jamerson from the dead, nobody's gonna sound like him.
Come on, what a load of marketing BS. Next someone is going to sell little cans of magic gunk consistent of chicken fat and some secret ingredients to grease your strings with and make them sound like Jamersons'.

Sidecar
 
To the degree the box has a "sound," then it is "voiced," meaning that it intentionally does not have a flat response. I understand that many find that desirable. Personally, I try to steer clear of "baked in" tone-shaping, preferring that the circuit be flat so that I can control the tone-shaping at will. To avoid misunderstanding, as I've said in the past, there's no valid reason to target an overall flat system response after tone-shaping in live settings because the reality is that cabs and room interactions essentially demand that the response be touched up. For recording, I would still would not want a baked-in response. The descriptions of these boxes make it quite clear that voicing is what it's all about. Hey, if that floats your boat, then go and be happy.
 
I recently read somewhere that most guys didn't use the Fairchild on Jamerson, though some did.

Each engineer most definitely, had the option and perhaps it didn't improve the bass sound as much as it did guitar, drums, piano, and organ. Sir Paul McCartney was quoted as saying that it was "the magic box" so I know he thought it was a
very useful processing tool. As to the "Motown D.I." it looks to be exactly like the Wolf Box III but costs $300.0 less. So, from that perspective it's a bargain. :thumbsup: ;) :)

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Each engineer most definitely, had the option and perhaps it didn't improve the bass sound as much as it did guitar, drums, piano, and organ. Sir Paul McCartney was quoted as saying that it was "the magic box" so I know he thought it was a
very useful processing tool. As to the "Motown D.I." it looks to be exactly like the Wolf Box III but costs $300.0 less. So, from that perspective it's a bargain. :thumbsup: ;) :)

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While it 'looks' the same, it apparently isn't the same. The reason the originals (Wolf Box III $750) are no longer available is they were built around 50 NOS transformers that the original designer located. These transformers can no longer be manufactured.

Here's the quote from the Gearslutz link I posted above --- "And you are right, they cannot recreate the transformers! (The EPA put a stop to that years ago). Had this discussion with Tom Reichenbach a few times before he passed away (RIP Tom) and also with Anthony DeMaria when he was trying to recreated the Invalid Link Removed (he gets his iron from outside the US)"

Also from that Gearslutz thread --- "Just an FYI, that Ed Wolfrum DI you have is really the last. Treasure it. Acme now started bootlegging the circuit/box/design as the "Motown D.I." (without Ed's knowledge and participation) with a false claim it had recreated the original transformers. With is a physical impossibility since that metal can't be obtained today (OSHA regulations and molybdenum differences). I informed Ed and he was disappointed to say the least...buyer beware."

Here's some add'l info on the original design engineer ---

"Doctor Edward J. Wolfrum worked at Motown, Golden World, United Sound Studios, Terra Shirma, Theme Productions plus many other smaller studios, throughout the 1960s and 1970s and in the opinion of this writer is one of the most important sound engineers in the country. Yet it was the invention of a single piece of equipment that catapulted his name and reputation onto the local recording scene, as Wolfrum recollected. " When I was 16 I designed and built something I called a 'Direct box' while I was working at WEXL...."
 
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I have no doubt that the REDDI is made well and that it's costly to make. The question, for me, is whether all of that is required to fulfill the function of mating an unbalanced, high-impedance source to a low-impedance, balanced input. That may not be the question for others. I understand that. Looking at the picture, I see a modern power supply with toroidal transformer, an iron-core "matching" transformer and a small tube-buffer circuit, wired together point-to-point. As I posted above, many who use such devices seem to prefer a "baked in" sound. If that's what one wants, then one should enjoy. These devices remind me of the esoteric 10-watt, single-ended triode amps for hi-fi. They are very well made, cost multiple thousands, and certainly have a "sound." Any of those could be built and sold for far less but there is a premium added for mystique. Value is, of course, judged by the one holding the wallet. To each his own. There is no arguing with preference.
 
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While it 'looks' the same, it apparently isn't the same. The reason the originals (Wolf Box III $750) are no longer available is they were built around 50 NOS transformers that the original designer located. These transformers can no longer be manufactured.

I've recently had a direct experience in sourcing parts, when Walter Woods repaired my Electroacoustic Ultra, apparently it's getting quite difficult for him, to source reliable components for his amplifiers, as they are discreet component designs. So it doesn't surprise me that those transformers used
in the Wolf D.I. are no longer available. When St. Louis, Music purchased Ampeg, it took me 6 years to find a replacement for it's blown output transformer.

Here's the quote from the Gearslutz link I posted above --- "And you are right, they cannot recreate the transformers! (The EPA put a stop to that years ago). Had this discussion with Tom Reichenbach a few times before he passed away (RIP Tom) and also with Anthony DeMaria when he was trying to recreated the Invalid Link Removed (he gets his iron from outside the US)"


Also from that Gearslutz thread --- "Just an FYI, that Ed Wolfrum DI you have is really the last. Treasure it. Acme now started bootlegging the circuit/box/design as the "Motown D.I." (without Ed's knowledge and participation) with a false claim it had recreated the original transformers. With is a physical impossibility since that metal can't be obtained today (OSHA regulations and molybdenum differences). I informed Ed and he was disappointed to say the least...buyer beware."

OSHA is a mixed blessing, sometimes regulations, that protect us from pollution, prevent us from using nitrocellulose lacquer to refinish Precision Basses with the original materials. That's been a trade off since OSHA began, but I'd rather be safe than be exposed to stuff that impacts peoples health.

Here's some add'l info on the original design engineer ---
"Doctor Edward J. Wolfrum worked at Motown, Golden World, United Sound Studios, Terra Shirma, Theme Productions plus many other smaller studios, throughout the 1960s and 1970s and in the opinion of this writer is one of the most important sound engineers in the country. Yet it was the invention of a single piece of equipment that catapulted his name and reputation onto the local recording scene, as Wolfrum recollected. " When I was 16 I designed and built something I called a 'Direct box' while I was working at WEXL...."

Ed Wolfrum, was obviously a genus at a time when he, Tom Dowd, George Martin and others, were pioneers in the recording industry. I believe he built the multi track board, at Motown in Detroit, but I could be wrong. Good investigational reporting on your part ddnidd1. All said, when were talking about a DI for Double Bass, as this is that side of TB, I'm thinking that there are much more affordable, options than a D.I. that costs $450.00, as for many of us, that's a substantial way to buying a new amplifier. Your standard Countryman DI sounds great with a Walter Woods amp, and many players use Acoustic Image amps
that already have a built in DI, as do Euphonic Audio's products. For a majority of players, a premium D.I. like the REDDI or Wolf Box just isn't an option, nor IMHO is it necessary. Just my take though, I own some pretty esoteric gear, so for others that REDDI may be just what the doctor ordered.;)

Ric
 
I believe the "Motown DI" was actually a multi-channel vacuum-tube based unit. Regardless, the direct box was only one part of the signal chain, the sound of which cannot be duplicated by just one link of the chain. Put me down as highly skeptical.

Also keep in mind that any passive transformer-based DI, which is what this device is, will have an input impedance that is relatively low (far less than 1 meg ohm).

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I'm pretty sure James Jamerson's DB was always recorded with a mic. The above unit had nothing to do with the recorded sound of his DB.
 
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An excellent question, as premium D.I's are generally the prevue on the other side of this forum.

Ric
Precisely. I think it's fair to say that most DB players prefer non-voiced equipment because the goals of amplification are typically different from those on the BG side of the house.