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Musical Immaturity - Is it that common?
- Thread starter Killed_by_Death
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One thing I dislike is saying someone or something sucks just because you don't appreciate it, like it, get it, or enjoy it.
What I learned early on is that literally everyone who has, or had, a record out, is more successful at putting out records than literally everyone who has not ever had a record out.
So there is ALWAYS something to appreciate, learn from, or at least respect in every artist who's music was respected enough by an industry to put money behind it and release it.
I'm not talking DIY music releases like we do these days - which I certainly put stuff out on myself LoL. I mean the days of a label getting behind you.
Hell, despite my absolutely entire utter disgust in the "music" of The Velvet Underground, having first heard them in the 70s when I was a kid, I later learned that John Cale was a highly accomplished musician who chose to make the particular cruddy noise he did in that "band". And so on, and so forth. I have learned to respect the songwriting of Lou Reed. The bizarre coolness of Moe's drumming, or lack there of.
Nico can bite it, though!
LoL
So yea, I start intellectual word fights with those who say celine deon sucks, or whatever.
What I learned early on is that literally everyone who has, or had, a record out, is more successful at putting out records than literally everyone who has not ever had a record out.
So there is ALWAYS something to appreciate, learn from, or at least respect in every artist who's music was respected enough by an industry to put money behind it and release it.
I'm not talking DIY music releases like we do these days - which I certainly put stuff out on myself LoL. I mean the days of a label getting behind you.
Hell, despite my absolutely entire utter disgust in the "music" of The Velvet Underground, having first heard them in the 70s when I was a kid, I later learned that John Cale was a highly accomplished musician who chose to make the particular cruddy noise he did in that "band". And so on, and so forth. I have learned to respect the songwriting of Lou Reed. The bizarre coolness of Moe's drumming, or lack there of.
Nico can bite it, though!
LoL
So yea, I start intellectual word fights with those who say celine deon sucks, or whatever.
I have respect for people who are like “This is my thing, and everything else is trash.” If a particular kind of music is your religion, that’s a level of commitment I can appreciate. And for teens, identifying yourself with one thing while trashing another is part of defining yourself.
To me, it’s more like science. I want to find the truth in every little corner of the universe. I’m a pop head and a child of the Beatles, but I want to understand hip-hop so I can understand why I respond to Public Enemy and M.I.A. and Chika, but not Eminem or Nikki Minaj. I don’t listen to Van Halen and don’t care if I ever hear them again—but I get it, ya know?
I’m not a big Katy Perry fan, but I hear “Teenage Dream” and I think man, I wish I had written that (and not just because I’d be a millionaire). Taylor Swift is massively talented; Justin Bieber is not just famous for being cute.
Laurie Anderson. Björk. Cardi B. Metallica. I’m always into digging into the grooves of a record I don’t immediately respond to and trying to find gold. In college, I bought a CD by a guy I had never heard of because Bono had put it on his year-end “10 Best” list. I put it on in my dorm room, and what came out of the speaker was a parrot squawk, followed by the weirdest, most unlistenable crap I had ever heard. I gathered my friends so we could laugh about it. Over the course of the next week, I repeated this stunt for other friends. And then I’d put it on as a joke, pretending to enjoy it. And then, somewhere between the 10th and 20th time, I realized that I was starting to enjoy it on its own musical merits. That artist became—and is to this day—one of my absolute artistic inspirations and topmost all-around heroes. (All hail Tom Waits.)
I think it’s sad when old guys in my generation say that young people don’t make or appreciate “real” music—like they’ve forgotten that that’s what old people said about their favorite bands when they were teens. Parquet Courts, Reggie Watts, Clairo, the Districts, Hippo Campus...the beat goes on, and demonstrates again and again that, truly, the kids are all right.
All of the kids.
To me, it’s more like science. I want to find the truth in every little corner of the universe. I’m a pop head and a child of the Beatles, but I want to understand hip-hop so I can understand why I respond to Public Enemy and M.I.A. and Chika, but not Eminem or Nikki Minaj. I don’t listen to Van Halen and don’t care if I ever hear them again—but I get it, ya know?
I’m not a big Katy Perry fan, but I hear “Teenage Dream” and I think man, I wish I had written that (and not just because I’d be a millionaire). Taylor Swift is massively talented; Justin Bieber is not just famous for being cute.
Laurie Anderson. Björk. Cardi B. Metallica. I’m always into digging into the grooves of a record I don’t immediately respond to and trying to find gold. In college, I bought a CD by a guy I had never heard of because Bono had put it on his year-end “10 Best” list. I put it on in my dorm room, and what came out of the speaker was a parrot squawk, followed by the weirdest, most unlistenable crap I had ever heard. I gathered my friends so we could laugh about it. Over the course of the next week, I repeated this stunt for other friends. And then I’d put it on as a joke, pretending to enjoy it. And then, somewhere between the 10th and 20th time, I realized that I was starting to enjoy it on its own musical merits. That artist became—and is to this day—one of my absolute artistic inspirations and topmost all-around heroes. (All hail Tom Waits.)
I think it’s sad when old guys in my generation say that young people don’t make or appreciate “real” music—like they’ve forgotten that that’s what old people said about their favorite bands when they were teens. Parquet Courts, Reggie Watts, Clairo, the Districts, Hippo Campus...the beat goes on, and demonstrates again and again that, truly, the kids are all right.
All of the kids.
Yes, it is that common. Most humans are really just overrated hairless monkeys. Always keep that in mind when reading such crappy criticism.
Criticism must go hand in hand with self criticism. For they are the fundamental elements required for obtaining truth and knowledge.
Some criticise but deny self criticism.
Some self criticise but deny criticism.
As is, or should be, evident, the practice of one without the other leads to what is known as a philosophical cul-de-sac..
It is a stagnation of consciousness and either turns people into monsters or depressed and suicidal...
The practice of both, advances consciousness and provides the practitioner with vital tools to solve a myriad of problems.
Me, my friends were music snobs in the 80,s. If you did not listen to what we did eg. Sabbath, Purple, Zepplin, prog rock, Rush, Budgie, Rory Gallagher, Yes, Gong, Vai, Zappa you get the picture, You did not listen to real music. Now a days we listen to and appreciate Marvin Gaye, Nina Simone, I love Jazz, ECM, classical and more. Bad bands in all genres ,I listen to good bands across various genres now. Listening and playing music for 40+ years I would like to think I can tell the difference between good and bad. It’s not subjective there is a difference just like food. I still have problems listening to mainstream music last 15 years but there is Some goodness to be found. I choose to discover gems of old and marvel at how good the musicianship, arrangements and writing is.
My 15 yo son And his current band are the same. There is hope for the future of music.
My 15 yo son And his current band are the same. There is hope for the future of music.
I know I've certainly been a musical snob in the past, and still catch myself doing it from time to time and scold myself. That said, if I do dislike a band/artist, I usually have a valid explanation of why. Sometimes it's the lack of integrity in the case of x-factor type manufactured bands or that I can't stand the people involved or the whiney, dirge they make (Oasis). But then, they can completely surprise me and I won't hesitate to say so. Harry Styles has put out some pretty good music since leaving One Direction and I quite like some of Noel Gallagher's recent solo output.
I also increasingly find myself defending artists that are popular to hate. Ed Sheeran for instance. Not particularly my cup of tea, but you can't deny his talent and meteoric rise without having to go on a reality/talent show. Went from busking outside Wembley to headlining in a couple of years.
Talking of musical maturity, I also find myself liking artists that I previously didn't because they have matured. Take That in the UK are a great example. Their songwriting and musical sensibilities since reforming are far better than their earlier, younger days when they were arguably a 'bigger' act.
I also increasingly find myself defending artists that are popular to hate. Ed Sheeran for instance. Not particularly my cup of tea, but you can't deny his talent and meteoric rise without having to go on a reality/talent show. Went from busking outside Wembley to headlining in a couple of years.
Talking of musical maturity, I also find myself liking artists that I previously didn't because they have matured. Take That in the UK are a great example. Their songwriting and musical sensibilities since reforming are far better than their earlier, younger days when they were arguably a 'bigger' act.
That's why its art. Like what you like...except Justin Bieber...he's a no talent a$$-clown
Yeah, I think a lot of people who are used to being jerks behind an anonymous keyboard are forgetting that you can't/shouldn't do that in person. I have a feeling there's gonna be some wake up calls coming.
You sound like a super well-rounded metalhead.
As much as i love the genre, I really loathe the fans - they tend to be narrow-minded tribalistic shaging idiots who ruin it for the artists and everybody else with their death threats, misogyny, and need to pigeon hole everything into "safe" niche categories.
I can’t think of a single genre that doesn’t have at least one song that I like. Well, maybe Zydeco, that’s only because I couldn’t name a single song or artist of that particular style. Sounds like good music to drink to, though.
OTOH, I can also tell you that there are songs from every genre that I just can’t stand to hear anymore! There’s one in particular I’m currently struggling with, as I hear it every day at work. Usually 3 times within 8 hours. I swear on my Brother’s Johnson, I’m going to end up stabbing my ear drums over that song.
OTOH, I can also tell you that there are songs from every genre that I just can’t stand to hear anymore! There’s one in particular I’m currently struggling with, as I hear it every day at work. Usually 3 times within 8 hours. I swear on my Brother’s Johnson, I’m going to end up stabbing my ear drums over that song.
If hating Dave Matthews band makes me immature then I’m ok with that.
But if “art” is intended to evoke a reaction, is despising something not a reaction?
But if “art” is intended to evoke a reaction, is despising something not a reaction?
As a devoted fan of trash cinema, I am woefully aware of my bad taste in anything.
