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Musical Immaturity - Is it that common?
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Actually this is exactly what surprised me the most when I first discovered TalkBass.
It's hard for me to grasp why musicians would be so spiteful about other musicians.
So many "I hate (whoever or whatever)" posts in here. Really? You got time for that?
Greta Van Fleet, anyone?
I don't have room in my heart to hate on much of anything.
Well... except for the Dodgers.
Everything else is just love or ambivalence.
It's hard for me to grasp why musicians would be so spiteful about other musicians.
So many "I hate (whoever or whatever)" posts in here. Really? You got time for that?
Greta Van Fleet, anyone?
I don't have room in my heart to hate on much of anything.
Well... except for the Dodgers.
Everything else is just love or ambivalence.
interesting topic. music used to be an identity/ego thing for me, and of course when one is immature that ego thing must be protected at any cost. now, i simply go with 'that music does not speak to me'. and with the great abundance of music available, a lifetime is too short to listen attentively to music that does not speak to me.
As much as I know I'm not the greatest musician or showman in the world.. there are a few acts out there that defy every brain cell in my head as to why they exist much less get as big as they do. And I can't help but sing mock lyrics to their songs or emphasize the worst of it.
People I know tend to agree and find the humor in it. Doesn't change that somehow those acts have been far more successful in the music industry than I have.. and these days I at least keep my disdain within my private circle of friends. If I'm on an internet forum it's generally a different subject matter. Like TB, I tend to drool about gear, talk about bass technique even though I'll probably always wish I was better at it and had more theory knowledge. And for some reason I like to try and be helpful with troubleshooting where I feel like I can. I do feel like we, all having at least bass in common should offer encouragement to one another.
People I know tend to agree and find the humor in it. Doesn't change that somehow those acts have been far more successful in the music industry than I have.. and these days I at least keep my disdain within my private circle of friends. If I'm on an internet forum it's generally a different subject matter. Like TB, I tend to drool about gear, talk about bass technique even though I'll probably always wish I was better at it and had more theory knowledge. And for some reason I like to try and be helpful with troubleshooting where I feel like I can. I do feel like we, all having at least bass in common should offer encouragement to one another.
To be up front, I'm no angel when it comes to this. There is music I can't stand to listen to. (At least for now. Maybe later I'll change my mind and decide I like it after all. It's happened before.) We all like what we like and dislike stuff, too.
But I do try to keep negative opinions to myself. As your grandma told you, "If you have nothing nice to say, keep your pie hole shut", which definitely applies to much more than just music.
I was shocked when I came to TB and saw threads full of guys slagging off on whole genres of music, not just individual artists. Some people are under the impression that the very existence of some genres "ruined" whatever genre they are fans of, or otherwise feel threatened. Some people are stuck with whatever they liked when they were in high school or college. I guess there are psychological reasons for all of this; all I can say is it pays to force yourself to get out of your comfort zone and check out other stuff. It's a big world, there's bound to be something you like in all that static out there.
But I do try to keep negative opinions to myself. As your grandma told you, "If you have nothing nice to say, keep your pie hole shut", which definitely applies to much more than just music.
I was shocked when I came to TB and saw threads full of guys slagging off on whole genres of music, not just individual artists. Some people are under the impression that the very existence of some genres "ruined" whatever genre they are fans of, or otherwise feel threatened. Some people are stuck with whatever they liked when they were in high school or college. I guess there are psychological reasons for all of this; all I can say is it pays to force yourself to get out of your comfort zone and check out other stuff. It's a big world, there's bound to be something you like in all that static out there.
I've never really understood the tribal "we all like (whatever), everything else is crap" mind set, but sadly it seems to be so many peoples default position. Perhaps it's some sort of security thing from deep in our primal sub conscious?
Growing up I heard my parents music, Benny Goodman, Fats Waller, Fats Domino and the like mainly, with some English and Scottish folk thrown in and a little rock and roll that made it onto UK radio back then. The first records I bought as an 11 year old were The Animals "House of the Rising Sun" and The Beatles first EP, with, Twist and Shout, This Boy and I think, A Taste of Honey and Love Me Do. That was 1963, a great time to be a kid approaching the teen years in London. Via the Animals, I discovered the Blues and via and because of The Beatles, just about everything else that led me through pop, rock and everything that followed as the 60's progressed.
Even as a teenager I listened to just about anything and everything, though I'll admit I was never a big fan of disco, or what I'd call free form jazz, though I never called it crap, or dissed those who play it. (Though some who are snobbish about certain styles of music can be hard to like...)
Likewise I tend to avoid those who like to pronounce with apparent authority, that so and so is the best bassist, lead guitarist, drummer, or whatever, or worse that so and so, is a hack, overrated, or worse. Like their saying it forcefully will in any way make it so, or their being a dogmatic dick about it will convince anyone. Like, "oh yeah, now that you tell me that if I don't think, so and so is the best bassist ever, I'm a dick, I see that you right, he/she is the best."
OK, rant over.
Growing up I heard my parents music, Benny Goodman, Fats Waller, Fats Domino and the like mainly, with some English and Scottish folk thrown in and a little rock and roll that made it onto UK radio back then. The first records I bought as an 11 year old were The Animals "House of the Rising Sun" and The Beatles first EP, with, Twist and Shout, This Boy and I think, A Taste of Honey and Love Me Do. That was 1963, a great time to be a kid approaching the teen years in London. Via the Animals, I discovered the Blues and via and because of The Beatles, just about everything else that led me through pop, rock and everything that followed as the 60's progressed.
Even as a teenager I listened to just about anything and everything, though I'll admit I was never a big fan of disco, or what I'd call free form jazz, though I never called it crap, or dissed those who play it. (Though some who are snobbish about certain styles of music can be hard to like...)
Likewise I tend to avoid those who like to pronounce with apparent authority, that so and so is the best bassist, lead guitarist, drummer, or whatever, or worse that so and so, is a hack, overrated, or worse. Like their saying it forcefully will in any way make it so, or their being a dogmatic dick about it will convince anyone. Like, "oh yeah, now that you tell me that if I don't think, so and so is the best bassist ever, I'm a dick, I see that you right, he/she is the best."
OK, rant over.
Uhh, no. What it means is that your experience with country music fans is different than mine.
And most that I know are not.
Clearly, there's some variance in country music fans. I wonder if it's an age thing. I'm 50, and most of the people I'm talking about are my age and up. Maybe younger country fans branch out more?
And most of the country music fans I know complain about that kind of thing, and reject it with comments like "that's not REAL country music." The firestorm over "Old Town Road" was a thing to behold around here. People who never have anything to say about hip-hop other than condemning it as "that rap garbage" hearing something like it on their country stations... you'd think someone was kicking their dog. Personally I thought it was hilarious, but that was the wrong response—laughing about it just made them even more bent out of shape.
I mentioned in another thread, that as a kid, I almost passed up a chance to see Elvis. I thought he was a little out of style, or maybe not the latest flavour of the month.
Thank God I went to that concert.
I had been very wrong. I was humbled and I learned a lesson I’ve never forgotten.
He was the most enigmatic and entertaining performer I’ve ever seen.
I’ve seen thousands of concerts since.
Since then, I give all music a chance.
And I’m a metal head!
Thank God I went to that concert.
I had been very wrong. I was humbled and I learned a lesson I’ve never forgotten.
He was the most enigmatic and entertaining performer I’ve ever seen.
I’ve seen thousands of concerts since.
Since then, I give all music a chance.
And I’m a metal head!
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Philosophically speaking, it is a reactionary response. One that is easily acceptable from the youth because their experiences are limited. However, it shows a stagnation of thought and consciousness from an older more nature person.
Consciousness can run in 3 different positions simultaneously..
1) Behind the conditions.
2) at pace with the conditions
3) ahead of the conditions.
I have come to learn that regardless of liking or disliking bands, genres, musicians etc etc there is always something positive you can find in any musical experience.
I never liked Hip Hop or Techno music until one day my Girlfriend, who loves dancing, invited me to watch So You Think You Can Dance....
It was during this show that I came to see the relationships between art and culture particularly in modern art and culture.
I still don't go out of my way to listen to Hip Hop or Techno but I've come to appreciate it's influence on society art and culture and vice versa.
Consciousness can run in 3 different positions simultaneously..
1) Behind the conditions.
2) at pace with the conditions
3) ahead of the conditions.
I have come to learn that regardless of liking or disliking bands, genres, musicians etc etc there is always something positive you can find in any musical experience.
I never liked Hip Hop or Techno music until one day my Girlfriend, who loves dancing, invited me to watch So You Think You Can Dance....
It was during this show that I came to see the relationships between art and culture particularly in modern art and culture.
I still don't go out of my way to listen to Hip Hop or Techno but I've come to appreciate it's influence on society art and culture and vice versa.
I think I'm fortunate that the majority of my musician friends are very open to different genres. We all have our preferences, and there's alot of overlap, but these days if one of us likes something the others don't, negative pronunciations aren't made.
Even if I really don't like music, these days I won't make snide comments about it or the artist unless I'm joking with someone who will get a laugh about it. Music is all about personal taste, and it's not my place to tell someone that something they love is bad.
Even if I really don't like music, these days I won't make snide comments about it or the artist unless I'm joking with someone who will get a laugh about it. Music is all about personal taste, and it's not my place to tell someone that something they love is bad.
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I dunno, I think it’s just keyboard warriors. I know A LOT of musicians who are very similar to me in that they like a TON of different music. No one I know is so callous as to say Janet is a no talent hack. I wouldn’t be friends with someone like that.
I think a big part of the problem is that a lot of people haven't learned to separate "enjoy" and "respect." They think if they don't like something, they must also not respect it.
But of course that's nonsense. You can respect something without liking it, and you can like something and still not respect it. We all have "guilty pleasures," right? What is that but liking something you don't respect?
As an example of the other way, I really respect Bob Dylan—tremendous songwriter and truly amazing lyricist. However, I don't enjoy listening to his music. I just cannot get past how grating his singing voice is to my ears. But I don't feel any urge to denigrate him or his music just because I don't personally enjoy it.
However, some people just can't get past the "dislike" part and automatically include "disrespect" if they don't like something. I think this is particularly common in young people (I know I was much worse about it when I was young), but it's certainly not limited to young people.
And sure, there's stuff I neither like nor respect <cough>Nickelback<cough>, but hey, could be someone else's guilty pleasure. Far be it from me to deny someone that.
But of course that's nonsense. You can respect something without liking it, and you can like something and still not respect it. We all have "guilty pleasures," right? What is that but liking something you don't respect?
As an example of the other way, I really respect Bob Dylan—tremendous songwriter and truly amazing lyricist. However, I don't enjoy listening to his music. I just cannot get past how grating his singing voice is to my ears. But I don't feel any urge to denigrate him or his music just because I don't personally enjoy it.
However, some people just can't get past the "dislike" part and automatically include "disrespect" if they don't like something. I think this is particularly common in young people (I know I was much worse about it when I was young), but it's certainly not limited to young people.
And sure, there's stuff I neither like nor respect <cough>Nickelback<cough>, but hey, could be someone else's guilty pleasure. Far be it from me to deny someone that.
The wonderful thing about music I have come to learn, is that it will find it's audience and it's audience will find it. When I listen to something I don't particularly like I do not have to destroy it verbally, I just realize that it is not for me. In other words I'm not looking for it and it's not looking for me. Not being overly judgmental makes going through the world much easier and goes a long way towards evening out one's karmic ledger.
i don't want to be be guilty of this by saying "i hate the states because of....", but honestly, a big part of my failed repatriation attempt had to do with the general attitudes of my fellow americans. i would much rather prefer neutral attitudes over the general negativity that is pervasive.
I didn't see any info on your profile - curious who you played for that you were worried about the press?
I think if you gonna hate and bash and you are not a kid expand your vocabulary 
Strong words in this case are harmless and natural.
Strong words in this case are harmless and natural.
I'm no longer friends with that person & that was the first nail in the coffin. Ironically it's the same guy who think he's the Music Man.
He's destroying his band's following right now with his anti-masker FB rants.
I used to have a T-Shirt I won at a county fair decades ago that proclaimed "New Kids Suck". I wore that proudly for many year.
I don't behave like that any longer.
I think it is situation/area dependent. At least I like to think that.
I don't behave like that any longer.
I think it is situation/area dependent. At least I like to think that.
