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My Dirt Bender - Another Jounal

Read this whole thread, cover to cover, over a few days. Extraordinary.

Thank you! That kinda was the whole point and I'm glad it seems to work for you!

Has anyone here tried the Templo Devices Reel Deal or Reel Dealuxe? Given the love for the JPTR Jive, I thought there might be some interest. Almost nothing on TB (one or two sidebar mentions is all I could track down). Essentially zero bass demos on YouTube; it features on a JHS show, and is used on bass in one jam (no actual bassists in sight on that show, however much I enjoy it).

It is claimed on the product website that it is a faithful reproduction of the preamp from a vintage Revox reel-to-reel tape recorder. I’ve never knowingly heard one of those, so I’m in no position offer an opinion regarding that claim, but the guitar demos sound pretty interesting. It seems more like a fuzz-distortion than an overdrive to me (no bad thing in itself), but with a pretty broad range of breakup and gated sounds.

It’s pretty inexpensive right now, even with shipping to the opposite end of the earth from the Canagiun jungles, so I might eventually just take a punt, but if anyone has tried it, I’d be grateful for comment.

In the meantime, I have a Hudson Broadcast 24V jobbie on its way, as a part of my transformer-based effects kick, which will keep my itch scratched for a little while, I hope.

I've never heard of Templo Devices, so no.

There is one Reel Deal on Reverb right now, located in Italy - which should roughly cost the same as ordering one from the jungle, all in all - except for those who live in Italy.


Enjoy the Broadcast!
 
I ripped the Broughton S1 from my tiny board and replaced it with the SV last night.

Actually, my sound in the metal band is quite decent with using the S1 and the Sonic Spark - but only because I play into my Tonehammer 500 and use that as the final clipping stage. Being a forward thinker (sometimes), I know I will run into problems for live playing though. I don't want to send the amp EQ to FOH - so I'd have to either use the XLR out from the Broughton or use the XLR out from the Tonehammer set to pre - in both cases FOH would not get the last gain stage.
With the SV, I could either send a signal that has a cab sim in it or I could use the Tonehammer DI to send one without, but I can have that last gain stage right there on the board and can use the amp EQ to marry the cab to the room.

So much for the logistics.

Just for curiosity - does anyone here know how exactly the EQ works on the Bassrig SV?
Is it identical to the SVT?

When I tried it out, I could see that this will reach a long way, but in all honesty, I had played at a high SPL through my IEMs for a while at that point and my ears told me to rest before making crucial decisions.
I want to come up with a few sound examples I think would work well before I try it with the band, and I think I am already quite close. Final adjusting will have to happen in the rehearsal room, though.
 
I finally picked up a Blackstone MOSFET that popped up in the classifieds awhile back, and I gotta say that I am amazed at how little I see these mentioned on Talkbass. It’s easily my favorite OD pedal at the moment (of course I’ve only had it for maybe 2 months, so still a bit of a honeymoon). I removed the bass capacitor from the red channel and set that one for high gain and leave the other channel on a barely dirty setting (basically only audible clipping when digging in) and the low-gain channel is a great always-on sweetener (what I leaned on a Darkglass Vintage for for many years) while the high-gain channel works well for what Ive always used a Russian Muff (TFR in my case for the last dozen+ years) for while being noticeably more dynamic/touch-sensitive than any Muff I’ve tried. I do wish the presence control was on the outside, but that’s really my only critique right now. If there is any low-end loss it is a plus for me, tightening without losing punch (which the DG Vintage also does nicely IMO).
 
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I finally picked up a Blackstone MOSFET that popped up in the classifieds awhile back, and I gotta say that I am amazed at how little I see these mentioned on Talkbass. It’s easily my favorite OD pedal at the moment (of course I’ve only had it for maybe 2 months, so still a bit of a honeymoon). I removed the bass capacitor from the red channel and set that one for high gain and leave the other channel on a barely dirty setting (basically only audible clipping when digging in) and the high-gain channel works well for what Ive always used a Russian Muff (TFR in my case for the last dozen+ years) for while being noticeably more dynamic/touch-sensitive than any Muff Ive tried. I do wish the presence control was on the outside, but that’s really my only critique right now. If there is any low-end loss it is a plus for me, tightening without losing punch.
My current favourite as well, although a Fake Plastic Trees is showing up tomorrow to give a little challenge
 
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Has anyone here tried the Templo Devices Reel Deal or Reel Dealuxe? Given the love for the JPTR Jive, I thought there might be some interest. Almost nothing on TB (one or two sidebar mentions is all I could track down). Essentially zero bass demos on YouTube; it features on a JHS show, and is used on bass in one jam (no actual bassists in sight on that show, however much I enjoy it).

It is claimed on the product website that it is a faithful reproduction of the preamp from a vintage Revox reel-to-reel tape recorder. I’ve never knowingly heard one of those, so I’m in no position offer an opinion regarding that claim, but the guitar demos sound pretty interesting. It seems more like a fuzz-distortion than an overdrive to me (no bad thing in itself), but with a pretty broad range of breakup and gated sounds.

It’s pretty inexpensive right now, even with shipping to the opposite end of the earth from the Canagiun jungles, so I might eventually just take a punt, but if anyone has tried it, I’d be grateful for comment.
i ordered Templodevices Reel Deal yesterday since i used to own a Invalid Link Removed that i loved. i'm very familiar with the Revox so it'll be interesting to see what the pedal sounds like.
 
Thank you! That kinda was the whole point and I'm glad it seems to work for you!

I've never heard of Templo Devices, so no.

There is one Reel Deal on Reverb right now, located in Italy - which should roughly cost the same as ordering one from the jungle, all in all - except for those who live in Italy.


Enjoy the Broadcast!

i ordered Templodevices Reel Deal yesterday since i used to own a Invalid Link Removed that i loved. i'm very familiar with the Revox so it'll be interesting to see what the pedal sounds like.

Thanks for the tip @el murdoque, and I hope you’ll post something regarding your expert opinion of the Reel Deal, @johnk_10. I won’t be ordering one immediately, as I should give the Broadcast a fighting chance to slake my thirst before firing it from its role as the new kid. The guitar reviewers all seem to blow past the low-gain settings, and given that their “clean” tones are rarely that, at least by bass standards, they’d be difficult to judge in any case.

On with the show!
 
Thanks for the tip @el murdoque, and I hope you’ll post something regarding your expert opinion of the Reel Deal, @johnk_10. I won’t be ordering one immediately, as I should give the Broadcast a fighting chance to slake my thirst before firing it from its role as the new kid. The guitar reviewers all seem to blow past the low-gain settings, and given that their “clean” tones are rarely that, at least by bass standards, they’d be difficult to judge in any case.

On with the show!
Broadcast's are really nice sounding. i also like Hudson's Sidecar a lot.
 
This may not be the place, bit if @el murdoque and his merry band of “jounalistas” will grant me a moment’s indulgence …

The Broadcast rather unexpectedly arrived this morning from Pedal Empire in Brisbane, Australia. It’s their custom model in mustard yellow with black knobs and a red LED; altogether quite fetching. As mentioned above, it’s the internal voltage pump model (24 V) with the three-way gain switch, which really completely changes the character. I’ve had a couple of hours to play with it, and colour me mustard for impressed.

The centre, low-gain position on the robust and toe-accessible switch is just what I was looking for as an always-on saturation booster, providing some added depth and complexity in the always-on chain of API LLX, Walrus Mira compressor (perhaps soon to be replaced by an API CMP), Radial Mix/Loop (where all the dirt resides), Broughton LPF/HPF, Lightning Boy 23Fe and finally Genzler Magellan Pre/DI. There’s a bit of rarely-used modulation in there, but the “dirt loop” is the sandbox where the fun stuff is.

The Radial box seems to have been discontinued everywhere except New Zealand (a not uncommon situation across the board in my adopted country), but it’s a very nice, compact piece of kit. The class A buffer adds no discernible noise, but does exactly what a buffer should, restoring the sparkle dissipated by all those patch cables and somewhat less-than-true bypasses, so I leave it on even when not using the pedals in the loop. The recessed mix-knob is set to about 80% wet and filthy, and 20% clean and dry, just enough of a pillow for the mud-wrestlers to roll around on. Or better, given that the impression it leaves is that of a true mix rather than two parallel signals, just enough oxygen to keep keep them from suffocating. In any case, the current combatants are the Broadcast, a Russian Analogworm Orbit fuzz (basically a fuzzface circuit with an internal transformer to shield the pair of germanium diodes from the buffered circuit outside, as well as a gate and separate tone and mid frequency controls) and a DMB four knob Stellar Drive. For those playing along at home, that’s now a total of four transformers in the signal path; the only one I can be absolutely certain is adding to the pleasing (to my ear) saturation is the Lightning Boy, for obvious reasons, but I’m pretty confident that they are integral to the API and Hudson boxes. The jury (of one) is out with regards to the effect of the transformer in the fuzz.

The Broadcast’s three modes function for me as “character saturation” and boost, light to moderate overdrive, and fuzz, more or less. Stacking any of these into the Analogworm with the gate dialled in untethers a snarling, spitting werewolf, much wilder than it can ever be on its own. The Stellar drive (a nice stacked-FET, Blues Driver type with a very broad range of overdrive, sadly long-discontinued) is much more friendly when stacked, essentially giving more of what it already does. Managing all three together with the Broadcast in high-gain/fuzz mode is like trying to crack a walnut with three jackhammers loosely tied together with razor wire. I’m still sweating.

One thing that suprised me about the Broadcast is the utility of low-cut knob. Far from “sucking all the bass out of my tone” as the kids say, the Broadcast actually seems to add low end as the gain is increased. Whether this is in part a function of residing in a loop with some mixed clean signal, I can’t now say (maybe I’ll extract it later and try it solo), but turning the low cut up a touch to about 8 o’clock really restores the definition otherwise lost.

Forgive me if that constitutes a derailing, but hopefully there’s something of relevance to someone in all that.
 
Stacking any of these into the Analogworm with the gate dialled in untethers a snarling, spitting werewolf, much wilder than it can ever be on its own. The Stellar drive (a nice stacked-FET, Blues Driver type with a very broad range of overdrive, sadly long-discontinued) is much more friendly when stacked, essentially giving more of what it already does. Managing all three together with the Broadcast in high-gain/fuzz mode is like trying to crack a walnut with three jackhammers loosely tied together with razor wire. I’m still sweating.

Haha, I know that feeling, although in my mind it was a coconut on a polished steel surface.

When you're experimenting with stacking drives, @Charlie Tuna will soon be here, telling you about the importance of phase. Some pedals shift the phase, some don't. When stringing drive pedals, some combinations sound terrible and weak until you put a phase flipping gizmo between them and suddenly the Sunn o))) rises.



Forgive me if that constitutes a derailing, but hopefully there’s something of relevance to someone in all that.

I consider that valuable empiric data, gotten the hard way!
 
Haha, I know that feeling, although in my mind it was a coconut on a polished steel surface.

When you're experimenting with stacking drives, @Charlie Tuna will soon be here, telling you about the importance of phase. Some pedals shift the phase, some don't. When stringing drive pedals, some combinations sound terrible and weak until you put a phase flipping gizmo between them and suddenly the Sunn o))) rises.

I consider that valuable empiric data, gotten the hard way!

Cheers!

On the phase issue, the Radial mixer has a phase switch for the whole loop. The Broadcast does seem to be out of phase with something/everything in the main chain, because it is strnger with the switch flipped to 180 degrees. I think the others are OK, but given the degree of distortion, it’s hard to tell :).
 
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Soooo. To get my desired metal band tone, the SV is a tool sent by heaven (or considering the music, maybe the other direction?).

I was hoping that it could match the tone I was getting from the combination of the Studio One pedal into the Tonehammer amp, creating a touch sensitive dirt sound that clears up when played softly.

What the SV does in that context is, to my ears, superior. The sound is a bit more ballsy, and the lows rush out of the cabinet, not exactly to envelop you in a warm way. They come out to hurt you (but can't, fortunately).
The treble and the amount of dirt can be set precisely, working very well in a mix.
And the kicker: When I switch on the Sonic Spark, things get NASTY.
Those warm sounding, worn flats suddenly sound like you're whipping a metal plate with a nine tailed whip crafted from elevator cable.
 
My current list of dirt capable pedals, the one that either see constant use or are here to stay nonetheless:

-Audio Kitchen Fake Plastic Trees
-BJFe Blueberry Bass Overdrive
-Lehle RMI Sonic Spark
-Origin Effects Bassrig Super Vintage
-Tech21 Sansamp Programmable Bass Driver DI
-Xotic BB Bass Preamp


With two honorable mentions of pedals that I don't use for dirt per se, but use in the context:

-Fuzzrocious BDPG
-JPTR FX Jive

Now my question would be:

Can a man with simple needs survive on as little as half a dozen dirt pedals?
I mean, the Sansamp is more or less retired to the cupboard, I keep it for sentimental reasons mostly - so it is more like five dirt pedals.
 
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I want to answer that question myself:
5 or 6 does not matter.

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...a bullet has finally been bitten.
I shall receive a parcel from Italy in about 10 weeks from now.
 
My current list of dirt capable pedals, the one that either see constant use or are here to stay nonetheless:

-Audio Kitchen Fake Plastic Trees
-BJFe Blueberry Bass Overdrive
-Lehle RMI Sonic Spark
-Origin Effects Bassrig Super Vintage
-Tech21 Sansamp Programmable Bass Driver DI
-Xotic BB Bass Preamp


With two honorable mentions of pedals that I don't use for dirt per se, but use in the context:

-Fuzzrocious BDPG
-JPTR FX Jive

Now my question would be:

Can a man with simple needs survive on as little as half a dozen dirt pedals?
I mean, the Sansamp is more or less retired to the cupboard, I keep it for sentimental reasons mostly - so it is more like five dirt pedals.

Did you ditch the Nobels and/or Belle in the end, then? They were the apple of your eye at one time (for a couple weeks in there, anyways!).
 
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Did you ditch the Nobels and/or Belle in the end, then? They were the apple of your eye at one time (for a couple weeks in there, anyways!).


...as were so many others. However, my tastes are quite special. When I ditched the HWUA because it was not entirely reliable in my setup, I also got rid of the Belle. While it is one of the best pedals to play in combo with the Underground Accelerator, it lacks a bit of treble control for my setup.
...and I probably needed funding for another project - and quite possibly did the SO comment something about a pile of pedals sitting around. The key to never have seller's remorse is to keep the wheel spinning ;-)
 
Hate to see one of the best threads on TB relegated to page 3 (anyone else remember the old UK Sun newspaper?), so thought I’d add another ha’penny’s worth.

On my own mini quest in search of dirt heaven, I dug out and dusted off my old Gallien-Krüger Diesel Dawg. It’s an ugly monster of a box, mostly empty inside, but it produces what is still to my ear one of the best bass distortion sounds there are. I’ve had to remove all my rarely used modulation pedals from the board and still play pedal tetris in order to accommodate it, but my god it was worth it. Stacked straight after the Broadcast (now out of the dirt loop and in the main chain) it does everything from G-K grind to wall of sound, and has a very flexible EQ section to boot. Add the other two pedals in the dirt loop, and it’s a busy night on the high-dependency psych ward I used to work on.

There’s a thread here about rehousing the Diesel Dawg in more modest enclosures, and I’ve been tempted, but its native kennel seems somehow appropriate, and I don’t mind that it’s elbowed some of the hangers-on off the playground. Focuses the attention on what’s important :D.

I have no idea if these are readily available on the used market, but seems just the ticket for a metal set.
 
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