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My friend is in denial

Brando_Beast

Brando_Beast

Jan 4, 2021
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So I just had to share this with some musicians:

My friend denied that these two songs sound similar




To be specific, only the intro riff. As I told my friend "I think Primus was definitely influenced by King Crimson", he denied both the similar sound and the artistic connection.

The same friend also argued when I introduced him to Greta Van Fleet, and I pointed out they were practically Led Zeppelin ripoffs. Again, he denied the connection. A year later he texted me a link to a song by Greta Van Fleet, and told me "I just found this new band, they sound like Led Zeppelin"

Opinions, opinions!! Post your opinions! But only if you agree with me :)

Just kidding, what do you think?
 
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ultra60 said:
I hear it. The only King Crimson albums I am familiar with are Discipline, Beat, and Three Of A Perfect Pair. I don't recall what it was, but I think there is an early 80's link to the Talking Heads. Elephant Talk kind of gives off a Once In a Lifetime vibe to me.
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Adrian Belew is link there. He played in the Discipline line up, and on Remain In Light.
 
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I don't think they are that similar. One tapped on a normal 4 (?) string and the Stick meant to be played that way. One I like very much, the other (and everything else I've heard by them) very not at all... A bit like listening to a recorded headache.
 
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Brando_Beast said:
So I just had to share this with some musicians:

My friend denied that these two songs sound similar




To be specific, only the intro riff. As I told my friend "I think Primus was definitely influenced by King Crimson", he denied both the similar sound and the artistic connection.

The same friend also argued when I introduced him to Greta Van Fleet, and I pointed out they were practically Led Zeppelin ripoffs. Again, he denied the connection. A year later he texted me a link to a song by Greta Van Fleet, and told me "I just found this new band, they sound like Led Zeppelin"

Opinions, opinions!! Post your opinions! But only if you agree with me :)

Just kidding, what do you think?
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Very obvious inspiration.

To the point where I tried to sync the two tracks, running the two videos at the same time, and they fit astonishing well together.
 
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ultra60 said:
I hear it. The only King Crimson albums I am familiar with are Discipline, Beat, and Three Of A Perfect Pair. I don't recall what it was, but I think there is an early 80's link to the Talking Heads. Elephant Talk kind of gives off a Once In a Lifetime vibe to me.
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HolmeBass said:
Adrian Belew is link there. He played in the Discipline line up, and on Remain In Light.
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It goes further back. While Crimson was dormant in the second half of the 70’s, Robert Fripp moved past old school prog, moved to NYC, and(through his occasional collaborator Brian Eno)hooked up with people in the CBGB’s scene. He appeared on the opening track of the Talking Heads’ 1979 album, Fear Of Music…

It was a change of direction for both parties in that this was the first time Byrne and company explored African rhythms. Fripp applied his cyclical riffing technique to what they were doing, leading toward what the early 80’s Crimson line-up expanded on further, although that had a Balinese Gamelan influence as well.

In addition, Fripp did guitar work on this funky track from the landmark Brian Eno/David Byrne album, My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts…

It also featured bassist Busta Cherry Jones, who went on to join the expanded live Heads line-up with Belew. Byrne did vocals on a track from a Fripp solo project.

That was another irony…in that time period Belew was hired to fill Fripp’s role on two occasions, first in David Bowie’s band, then that TH situation, so it was inevitable that they ended up working together. Tony Levin had played with Fripp earlier in Peter Gabriel’s band.

If all you know is the 80’s Crimson, you owe it to yourself to explore all eras. The band has had many different personalities, yet there has always been the consistency of Fripp, the musical common thread heard in all line-ups.

There are those who only want to know about the grandiose classical/jazz influenced early era, and that certainly should be heard, but there was rapid change in that phase where the band played itself out. The restructuring of the band in the early 70’s(my favorite era)led to a brutal heavy style(but with a few nods to the past)that was a subsequent influence on math rock and bands like Tool, the album Red being the key moment. Then, after Fripp’s New York adventures, the Discipline band(with Bill Bruford returning on drums)was of course an entirely fresh new direction. Many of the old prog fans couldn’t fathom it.

I was all onboard for that unit, it was definitely a reflection of the times, but over the next two albums it seemed like diminishing returns. The 90’s line-up and permutations continued a similar direction with an expanded band, then the final revival outfit, without Belew, was a summation of the entire arc.
 
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Michedelic said:
It goes further back. While Crimson was dormant in the second half of the 70’s, Robert Fripp moved past old school prog, moved to NYC, and(through his occasional collaborator Brian Eno)hooked up with people in the CBGB’s scene. He appeared on the opening track of the Talking Heads’ 1979 album, Fear Of Music…

It was a change of direction for both parties in that this was the first time Byrne and company explored African rhythms. Fripp applied his cyclical riffing technique to what they were doing, leading toward what the early 80’s Crimson line-up expanded on further, although that had a Balinese Gamelan influence as well.

In addition, Fripp did guitar work on this funky track from the landmark Brian Eno/David Byrne album, My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts…

It also featured bassist Busta Cherry Jones, who went on to join the expanded live Heads line-up with Belew. Byrne did vocals on a track from a Fripp solo project.

That was another irony…in that time period Belew was hired to fill Fripp’s role on two occasions, first in David Bowie’s band, then that TH situation, so it was inevitable that they ended up working together. Tony Levin had played with Fripp earlier in Peter Gabriel’s band.

If all you know is the 80’s Crimson, you owe it to yourself to explore all eras. The band has had many different personalities, yet there has always been the consistency of Fripp, the musical common thread heard in all line-ups.

There are those who only want to know about the grandiose classical/jazz influenced early era, and that certainly should be heard, but there was rapid change in that phase where the band played itself out. The restructuring of the band in the early 70’s(my favorite era)led to a brutal heavy style(but with a few nods to the past)that was a subsequent influence on math rock and bands like Tool, the album Red being the key moment. Then, after Fripp’s New York adventures, the Discipline band(with Bill Bruford returning on drums)was of course an entirely fresh new direction. Many of the old prog fans couldn’t fathom it.

I was all onboard for that unit, it was definitely a reflection of the times, but over the next two albums it seemed like diminishing returns. The 90’s line-up and permutations continued a similar direction with an expanded band, then the final revival outfit, without Belew, was a summation of the entire arc.
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Mind blown - Fripp was on Fear of Music? I’ll give it another listen tonight. This has to be one of those things that I knew and then forgot.
 
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Throw some Rival Sons at your buddy…


…and going way back…



To continue this, I’m curious as to what everyone’s opinion would be as to where this band(one of my current favorites)is coming from…




I had my suspicions when I first heard them, which were confirmed by some covers that the band tossed out for a lark.
 
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