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My preamp journey

yeah, it's pretty much the same size as the Nano, and it looks identical - it's most likely made in the same factory. I found the brand though - it was hiding under a strip of velcro. It's a "Ithwiw" - no model number tho. That being said, there are at least a dozen boards that look identical on Amazon under various names, but they all look like generic clones of the Nano.
 
So, remember that silly little post where I said that I was pretty much done. Haha. I guess looking back it was kind of cute that I thought that ..

I had the need for an inexpensive all in one pedal so I picked up a Zoom BX1 Four and a Headrush Gigboard. The Zoom is a cool little pedal - punches well above it's weight class IMO.

All the details here ..

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/lo...l-unit-looking-for-bang-for-the-buck.1656720/
 
OKay, so last, but certainly not least - the big board.

I need to update the pic, I removed the Sine Effect uPara. Great pedal, best of the mid range controls out there IMO, just don't need it on this board.

Plus it had the added effect that I can tidy up my board a little more to reduce potentially harmful OCD.

Okay, from first in the signal chain to last

Cali76 Bass Compact - The finest pedal compressor out there, IMO (except for maybe the Cali TX ... GAS). It adds punch and sustain and is also a tone sweetener. The sidechain features are very cool as well - I love this compressor because rather than "squashing" the signal. as many think a compressor does, I set this to expand it - really brings dynamics and harmonics out. I'm tempted to pick up the new one tho!

Wren and Cuff Phat Phuk B with Bias - I went through a lot of boosts as well (I know that you know, and I want you to know that I know that you know that I know that I went thru a lot of pretty much everything), and this one came out on top. It gets loud, it can get slightly dirty, but what I LOVE is the BIAS adjust option on the side. It's just super frikkin cool. It distorts the tone in weird and unpredictable ways - which is why I love it. There's a big caveat though - it's also a space issue. My favorite tone wise was the Spaceman Mercury IV - it's an all around great boost, but it's a bit big for this board and the OD capabilities are less chaotic than the PPB.

3Leaf Audio GR2 - fantastic envelope filter. Just fantastic. I don't think I can get a bad sound out of it - it just drips with stank. Of note are the Attack and Decay knobs - I find these to be extremely helpful on an envelope filter for my playing style. IMO the GR-2 can't be beat.

Audio Kitchens Fake Plastic Trees - I gotta thank @el murdoque for this one. Damn, this sounds good. It's designed to emulate a tube amp, and it does it in spades. Very touch sensitive, and it ads a heft and punch that needs to be heard and felt to be believed. I use it as a slight dirt and to get that tubey-goodness. top notch!

OneControl Mosquito effects loop blender - no frills, easy to use, reliable, and has a big knob for blending. I have this wired to the bottom of the board for easy access. Anything can go in here, but I've been using it for my dirt board and messing with the Helix. Solid piece of gear.

Hudson Broadcast - It's funny; I wanted to try this for a long time, and ended up buying a clone. I hated it. It just sucked the tone out of my bass. I need to look, but someone on this thread was touting it, and I decided to give it another try, and I'm glad that I did. It's a great dirt pedal, the added boost is a great touch - side note: you'll notice that I have a boost second in the chain (pre envelope filter and pre distortion) as well as a boost after all the dirt. The PPB really drives the GR-2, and front loads that distortion, while the boost on the Hudson acts as a clean boost. I love the sparkle that this gives me on the high end, especially harmonics - and this coming from a guy that hates tweeters and thinks that presence should be used sparingly, if at all :-) .

Broughton RFE - my favorite Broughton pedal. It's got so many applications - at its core, an analog speaker sim, a tone enhancer, gets the best out of fretless and can help enhance mwah, really accentuates any envelope filter. This is tone shaping at it's finest. In fact, between this and my Alembic, I had Rick from Beardly Customs put a filter based preamp in one of my basses. It's just that good.

SIB Fatdrive - I don't know how many times I've said this, but certainly a lot - I love a Fender tone stack. I think it goes back to the beginning - the very first time I ever picked up a bass and played it through an amp was this Fender Bassman 20 Combo amp - all tube, Fender tone stack - glorious. This is my favorite incarnation - it sounds so sweet, fat, juicy, just drips with tone. Like the Noble, it adds something extra - a sweet touch of harmonic depth, a richness that needs to be felt - it's been my number one for a long time. I've never been much of a beleiver in magic tubes, but this one also has some fancy vintage NOS tube in it. My only gripe is that even though it's called a "drive," it won't OD by itself. Minor quibble. I have been thinking about finding another as a backup, just in case.

BTW, I'd be remiss if I didn't say that the Sushibox UA gets pretty close to the Fatdrive tone-wise. It's thick and juicey, but it will also OD. The other Fender TMB pedal - the Master Effects Thespian - is creamier, smoother, and a little fuller with the mid-range option, but it lacks the ability to OD as well. I've been thinking about asking ME to add a gain control.

A question that I get - what's my favorite Fender Tone stack pedal preamp out of the four that I own? The Fatdrive is the winner, and I'm gonna cop out and say it's a three-way tie between the Bassrig, Thespian, and UA. Different flavors of awesome.

Noble preamp and DI. I don't know what else I can say that hasn't been said. Like the Fatdrive, it adds something extra, a 3-D quality about it, but more so. It makes everything sound better. Worth every penny.

That's it! The Noble goes to FOH and/or my amp.

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I'd be remiss if I didn't mention a few more items.

The EHX Humdebugger is an essential piece of gear. I live in a noisy place, interference wise. I have large park lights directly across the street from my house, an auditorium with all sorts of noise making stuff, several radio towers within LOS, and I'm in a city - and I like using single coils. To add to that, I am one of the few people in the world that has to deal with 50 cycle hum. Yup, in addition 60 - I live close to a water pumping station, and the pumps run on custom power which cycles and 25 hz - and when they run, they cause hum. The EHX clears it all up - dead silent, no loss of tone.

I have a couple of wireless systems - the Boss WL-60 has never failed me, and I have been using a Lekato plug wireless and it works great.

I like JDI DI boxes - I have a Radial that has been with me a long time, and I keep a brand new spare around - just in case.
 
OKay, so last, but certainly not least - the big board.

I need to update the pic, I removed the Sine Effect uPara. Great pedal, best of the mid range controls out there IMO, just don't need it on this board.

Plus it had the added effect that I can tidy up my board a little more to reduce potentially harmful OCD.

Okay, from first in the signal chain to last

Cali76 Bass Compact - The finest pedal compressor out there, IMO (except for maybe the Cali TX ... GAS). It adds punch and sustain and is also a tone sweetener. The sidechain features are very cool as well - I love this compressor because rather than "squashing" the signal. as many think a compressor does, I set this to expand it - really brings dynamics and harmonics out. I'm tempted to pick up the new one tho!

Wren and Cuff Phat Phuk B with Bias - I went through a lot of boosts as well (I know that you know, and I want you to know that I know that you know that I know that I went thru a lot of pretty much everything), and this one came out on top. It gets loud, it can get slightly dirty, but what I LOVE is the BIAS adjust option on the side. It's just super frikkin cool. It distorts the tone in weird and unpredictable ways - which is why I love it. There's a big caveat though - it's also a space issue. My favorite tone wise was the Spaceman Mercury IV - it's an all around great boost, but it's a bit big for this board and the OD capabilities are less chaotic than the PPB.

3Leaf Audio GR2 - fantastic envelope filter. Just fantastic. I don't think I can get a bad sound out of it - it just drips with stank. Of note are the Attack and Decay knobs - I find these to be extremely helpful on an envelope filter for my playing style. IMO the GR-2 can't be beat.

Audio Kitchens Fake Plastic Trees - I gotta thank @el murdoque for this one. Damn, this sounds good. It's designed to emulate a tube amp, and it does it in spades. Very touch sensitive, and it ads a heft and punch that needs to be heard and felt to be believed. I use it as a slight dirt and to get that tubey-goodness. top notch!

OneControl Mosquito effects loop blender - no frills, easy to use, reliable, and has a big knob for blending. I have this wired to the bottom of the board for easy access. Anything can go in here, but I've been using it for my dirt board and messing with the Helix. Solid piece of gear.

Hudson Broadcast - It's funny; I wanted to try this for a long time, and ended up buying a clone. I hated it. It just sucked the tone out of my bass. I need to look, but someone on this thread was touting it, and I decided to give it another try, and I'm glad that I did. It's a great dirt pedal, the added boost is a great touch - side note: you'll notice that I have a boost second in the chain (pre envelope filter and pre distortion) as well as a boost after all the dirt. The PPB really drives the GR-2, and front loads that distortion, while the boost on the Hudson acts as a clean boost. I love the sparkle that this gives me on the high end, especially harmonics - and this coming from a guy that hates tweeters and thinks that presence should be used sparingly, if at all :) .

Broughton RFE - my favorite Broughton pedal. It's got so many applications - at its core, an analog speaker sim, a tone enhancer, gets the best out of fretless and can help enhance mwah, really accentuates any envelope filter. This is tone shaping at it's finest. In fact, between this and my Alembic, I had Rick from Beardly Customs put a filter based preamp in one of my basses. It's just that good.

SIB Fatdrive - I don't know how many times I've said this, but certainly a lot - I love a Fender tone stack. I think it goes back to the beginning - the very first time I ever picked up a bass and played it through an amp was this Fender Bassman 20 Combo amp - all tube, Fender tone stack - glorious. This is my favorite incarnation - it sounds so sweet, fat, juicy, just drips with tone. Like the Noble, it adds something extra - a sweet touch of harmonic depth, a richness that needs to be felt - it's been my number one for a long time. I've never been much of a beleiver in magic tubes, but this one also has some fancy vintage NOS tube in it. My only gripe is that even though it's called a "drive," it won't OD by itself. Minor quibble. I have been thinking about finding another as a backup, just in case.

BTW, I'd be remiss if I didn't say that the Sushibox UA gets pretty close to the Fatdrive tone-wise. It's thick and juicey, but it will also OD. The other Fender TMB pedal - the Master Effects Thespian - is creamier, smoother, and a little fuller with the mid-range option, but it lacks the ability to OD as well. I've been thinking about asking ME to add a gain control.

A question that I get - what's my favorite Fender Tone stack pedal preamp out of the four that I own? The Fatdrive is the winner, and I'm gonna cop out and say it's a three-way tie between the Bassrig, Thespian, and UA. Different flavors of awesome.

Noble preamp and DI. I don't know what else I can say that hasn't been said. Like the Fatdrive, it adds something extra, a 3-D quality about it, but more so. It makes everything sound better. Worth every penny.

That's it! The Noble goes to FOH and/or my amp.

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You keep giving me ideas but that would mean a 3rd board maybe 2025. Hudson Broadcast vs Broadcast AP?
 
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OKay, so last, but certainly not least - the big board.

I need to update the pic, I removed the Sine Effect uPara. Great pedal, best of the mid range controls out there IMO, just don't need it on this board.

Plus it had the added effect that I can tidy up my board a little more to reduce potentially harmful OCD.

Okay, from first in the signal chain to last

Cali76 Bass Compact - The finest pedal compressor out there, IMO (except for maybe the Cali TX ... GAS). It adds punch and sustain and is also a tone sweetener. The sidechain features are very cool as well - I love this compressor because rather than "squashing" the signal. as many think a compressor does, I set this to expand it - really brings dynamics and harmonics out. I'm tempted to pick up the new one tho!

Wren and Cuff Phat Phuk B with Bias - I went through a lot of boosts as well (I know that you know, and I want you to know that I know that you know that I know that I went thru a lot of pretty much everything), and this one came out on top. It gets loud, it can get slightly dirty, but what I LOVE is the BIAS adjust option on the side. It's just super frikkin cool. It distorts the tone in weird and unpredictable ways - which is why I love it. There's a big caveat though - it's also a space issue. My favorite tone wise was the Spaceman Mercury IV - it's an all around great boost, but it's a bit big for this board and the OD capabilities are less chaotic than the PPB.

3Leaf Audio GR2 - fantastic envelope filter. Just fantastic. I don't think I can get a bad sound out of it - it just drips with stank. Of note are the Attack and Decay knobs - I find these to be extremely helpful on an envelope filter for my playing style. IMO the GR-2 can't be beat.

Audio Kitchens Fake Plastic Trees - I gotta thank @el murdoque for this one. Damn, this sounds good. It's designed to emulate a tube amp, and it does it in spades. Very touch sensitive, and it ads a heft and punch that needs to be heard and felt to be believed. I use it as a slight dirt and to get that tubey-goodness. top notch!

OneControl Mosquito effects loop blender - no frills, easy to use, reliable, and has a big knob for blending. I have this wired to the bottom of the board for easy access. Anything can go in here, but I've been using it for my dirt board and messing with the Helix. Solid piece of gear.

Hudson Broadcast - It's funny; I wanted to try this for a long time, and ended up buying a clone. I hated it. It just sucked the tone out of my bass. I need to look, but someone on this thread was touting it, and I decided to give it another try, and I'm glad that I did. It's a great dirt pedal, the added boost is a great touch - side note: you'll notice that I have a boost second in the chain (pre envelope filter and pre distortion) as well as a boost after all the dirt. The PPB really drives the GR-2, and front loads that distortion, while the boost on the Hudson acts as a clean boost. I love the sparkle that this gives me on the high end, especially harmonics - and this coming from a guy that hates tweeters and thinks that presence should be used sparingly, if at all :) .

Broughton RFE - my favorite Broughton pedal. It's got so many applications - at its core, an analog speaker sim, a tone enhancer, gets the best out of fretless and can help enhance mwah, really accentuates any envelope filter. This is tone shaping at it's finest. In fact, between this and my Alembic, I had Rick from Beardly Customs put a filter based preamp in one of my basses. It's just that good.

SIB Fatdrive - I don't know how many times I've said this, but certainly a lot - I love a Fender tone stack. I think it goes back to the beginning - the very first time I ever picked up a bass and played it through an amp was this Fender Bassman 20 Combo amp - all tube, Fender tone stack - glorious. This is my favorite incarnation - it sounds so sweet, fat, juicy, just drips with tone. Like the Noble, it adds something extra - a sweet touch of harmonic depth, a richness that needs to be felt - it's been my number one for a long time. I've never been much of a beleiver in magic tubes, but this one also has some fancy vintage NOS tube in it. My only gripe is that even though it's called a "drive," it won't OD by itself. Minor quibble. I have been thinking about finding another as a backup, just in case.

BTW, I'd be remiss if I didn't say that the Sushibox UA gets pretty close to the Fatdrive tone-wise. It's thick and juicey, but it will also OD. The other Fender TMB pedal - the Master Effects Thespian - is creamier, smoother, and a little fuller with the mid-range option, but it lacks the ability to OD as well. I've been thinking about asking ME to add a gain control.

A question that I get - what's my favorite Fender Tone stack pedal preamp out of the four that I own? The Fatdrive is the winner, and I'm gonna cop out and say it's a three-way tie between the Bassrig, Thespian, and UA. Different flavors of awesome.

Noble preamp and DI. I don't know what else I can say that hasn't been said. Like the Fatdrive, it adds something extra, a 3-D quality about it, but more so. It makes everything sound better. Worth every penny.

That's it! The Noble goes to FOH and/or my amp.

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This is one of maybe three boards I've seen on TB that I could pick it up and head straight to the gig, with a grin on my face.
(Okay, I'd head home first, rip it apart and tetris it together properly.)

The holy trinity of Cali76, Broughton RFE and Noble is there.
I love how the RFE can really shine as both a cab sim and bump the mids a bit to make up for the Noble's inability to do that.
The Cali gets you compression and that sweet finger attack sound and the Noble does the Bass And Treble, plus magic tube sprinkles on top.

Add a wide variety of dirt flavors and a solid envelope - plus a Fender tone stack. Nice!

I'm no fan of Germanium clipping, there is a certain rawness that always triggers my ear. I know that you really like that - would you say the pink pedal does a typical germanium representation and I can safely skip it or would you recommend it even to those who don't really dig that flavor in general ?
 
Not to pour gas on the dying embers of your GAS, but I need to ask:

-Bassrig Super Vintage?
I do like playing through the SVT + Fridge combo occasionally, but I would not call myself a die-hard fan of that thing - and I count myself among the fans of the Fender Tonestack, so I naturally went with the '64. I liked lots of things about it, but it lacked the top end clarity through the XLR out, plus the drive was gentle sizzle and then straight to synth-town, no in between for me. When I swapped that for the SV, I was pleasantly surprised to find the first ever SVT-Pedal that I liked. I wanna say that Origin did not do the best copy out there, but they did a very cultivated pedal that is a lot more subtle than the sledgehammer that is the SVT. The cab sim works way better for me and the drive can do that organic roaring sounds that work great in rock.
It's weird. As someone who never enjoyed amp-in-a-box pedals that aim for the ampeg flagship, I really love that one.

-Capo?
Did you already have one and I missed out?
I ordered mine at the beginning of June, with an ETA of early August.
 
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To add to that, I am one of the few people in the world that has to deal with 50 cycle hum. Yup, in addition 60 - I live close to a water pumping station, and the pumps run on custom power which cycles and 25 hz - and when they run, they cause hum. The EHX clears it all up - dead silent, no loss of tone.
Wow, thanks for mentioning this: my single coils are practically unusable in my house and while my “studio” is in a less than ideal setup (basement of a 140 year old house; wires running everywhere overhead; next to the furnace), in our backyard is a pumping station (one of the few things an under sea level swamp city and mountain town have in common, I guess) that is nearly as old as our house and runs constantly.

I need to get one of these.
 
Did you compare it to the Ampeg SGT DI and the Broughton SV-Pre?

I had the Broughton for a while - and I was not really interested in the Ampeg. I've seen a video on YT where someone did a blind test between the Super Vintage and the Ampeg and listening to it, there was one pedal I really liked the tone of while not so much on the other pedal - and the final reveal showed I liked the Origin.

The Broughton does have that massive raw beef. It's as beefy as being trampled by a stampede of buffalo.
It's a great pedal when you're after a tone that can hold its own in a dense rock mix and you want to play solid riffs.
 
I'm no fan of Germanium clipping, there is a certain rawness that always triggers my ear. I know that you really like that - would you say the pink pedal does a typical germanium representation and I can safely skip it or would you recommend it even to those who don't really dig that flavor in general ?
Wren and Cuff says that it's a not a clean boost, but to my ears it's clean if the bias is set correctly. I don't know if you know of the Small Sound/Big Sound Mini, but it reminds me of that - a germanium fuzz almost, when the bias is cranked in the extreme setting. I think if you are just looking for a clean boost it's great, but if you don't like germanium then you won't like the bias options.
 
Wren and Cuff says that it's a not a clean boost, but to my ears it's clean if the bias is set correctly. I don't know if you know of the Small Sound/Big Sound Mini, but it reminds me of that - a germanium fuzz almost, when the bias is cranked in the extreme setting. I think if you are just looking for a clean boost it's great, but if you don't like germanium then you won't like the bias options.
...but the Mini is a JFet overdrive, IIRC.
 
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-Bassrig Super Vintage?
okay, so this is probably bass-player blasphemy, but I never cared for the SVT sound. It's great for rock, but IMO that's all I would use it for, and a good Fender tone stack sounds better to my ears for rock anyways. My favorite iteration of the SVT tone is the SVT II Pro and the SVT-Pre (rackmount). - and It's because those have graphic EQs that can tame that SVT base tone and give something more usable to me.

I strongly prefer the B-15 tone, if we're talking Ampeg.

Someone's going to take away one of my bass player cards :)
Did you compare it to the Ampeg SGT DI and the Broughton SV-Pre?
I tried the Broughton, and it was good, great even, but it still had that SVT tone. Punchy as all get out tho, and I didn't miss a tube. The lunchbox SVT from Broughton was very punchy and full, and IMO got closest to a real SVT (other than an SVT itself).

Also, IMO the Master Effects Super 300 gets closest to the SVT tone in a pedal. And FWIW, the Sushibox SVT pedal (not sure of the model - I had one of the very first ones, I think there is a newer version) sounded SVT-ish, if that makes sense. It had the underlying qualities of an SVT, but it expanded the tone somewhat and could get smoother, and it was easier to dial out the SVT-ness of it, if that makes sense. I rather liked it.

Edit: I think what I don't like about the SVT tone is that the OD gets too grindy, too nasty too quickly. The Ampeg DI pedals, to my ears, take this to more extremes, and from what I have heard I don't care for the OD at all - it's like even a slight bit just takes over your tone. That's one of the reasons why I liked the Sushibox - it had more of a gradual OD ramp up, it could be smooth but then get grindy at higher levels. It's been my experience that a real SVT is much harder to get a smooth sound out of it - and that's cool, I mean, the SVT does what it does and it's great at it, it's just never been my cup of tea.

That also would stand to reason why I would like the SVT pre's with a graphic EQ - helps to tame out the smoothness.

Now, all of that being said, one of the big backline companies here provides an SVT (all tube) with an 8x10 cab for many of the festivals and bigger gigs. It's quite fun to play through, and it can definitely punch through a mix.
 
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...but the Mini is a JFet overdrive, IIRC.
It was a fuzzy OD IMO - the bias control just does a "thing" for lack of better term. It gets spitty and kind of random, it's pretty cool IMO - I do love me some chaos!

I think the mini is FET, but the bias control acted very similar to the PPB. I never did a direct comparison, but I am thinking that the Mini was richer and had less top end sheen, and was more flexible TBH. Dumb me for selling that one, it's one of the few that I still miss, and after I traded it it became unobtanium.
 
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Wow, thanks for mentioning this: my single coils are practically unusable in my house and while my “studio” is in a less than ideal setup (basement of a 140 year old house; wires running everywhere overhead; next to the furnace), in our backyard is a pumping station (one of the few things an under sea level swamp city and mountain town have in common, I guess) that is nearly as old as our house and runs constantly.

I need to get one of these.
Yeah, it's honestly a little miracle box. I'm planning on doing some demos at some point ... I just had some minor hand surgery and I'll be travelling over the next few weeks, but when I get back I'll start putting some stuff up.

it's pretty dramatic - I have a bass, single coil, and I have a particular crappy cable that I use for this purpose (it is very noisy and picks up a lot of noise and external signals) - the hum is loud, and I can hear a radio station plain as day. I hit the button on the Debugger and it's like a miracle - all the noise is gone!

There's no loss of tone, at least none that I can detect. And they can be had for pretty cheap on Reverb. I keep one in my main gigbag pretty much all the time, in addition to the one that I have at home. It's indispensable!
 
It was a fuzzy OD IMO - the bias control just does a "thing" for lack of better term. It gets spitty and kind of random, it's pretty cool IMO - I do love me some chaos!

I think the mini is FET, but the bias control acted very similar to the PPB. I never did a direct comparison, but I am thinking that the Mini was richer and had less top end sheen, and was more flexible TBH. Dumb me for selling that one, it's one of the few that I still miss, and after I traded it it became unobtanium.
I actually don't miss mine. I bought it when they were uncommon but not hyped and sold it with a profit - while I owned it, I played it a lot and it was my go-to drive pedal for quite a while, but my tastes changed for a bit and the Mini could not fully keep up.
I held on to it for a while because it's so hard to get one, but at some point just sold it, not looking back.

There is the Noise Space Audio Piggy, which is quite similar to the Mini, but with more bass on tap. My guess would be that you do actually like that more.
 

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