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My preamp journey

Next is my heads (other than the GR One 350). There was a time, not too long ago actually, that I had about 20 heads. I absolutely loved the variety. Once pedal preamps and modellers came around, amps themselves became less important. I find that I can get a good tone from almost any amp, so the amp became important only if I was looking for a particular flavor/tone.

On top is the GR One 800. Like it's little sibling the 350, it's an all around great amp. First and foremost, it takes pedals and preamps extremely well (it has a switch that bypasses the EQ so the pedal preamp goes directly into the power section, bypassing the preamp on the amp itself). It's loud and punchy, with a great EQ - the EQ is very flexible as you can change the low and high mid frequency points to match your bass - this was a requirement for me for slap bass and fretless bass - I love adding some high mids around 700 for superb fretless mwah ...

In addition to the EQ, the GR has is very portable - easily fits into a gigbag. It also has a great (very quiet and very transparent DI). Some people don't care for the LEDs on the front panel - there are a lot and they are bright, but I kinda dig them. There is a built in tuner, but it doesn't respond fast enough for me so I don't use it much, but it's nice to have the option and it's handy if I forget a tuner.

In the middle is the Demeter HBP-1 800. This is the Demeter preamp with a Demeter Minnie 800 installed - all in one rack space. It has a Fender tone stack and two parametric EQ's. I've mentioned how much I love the Fender tone stack, especially with a fully parametric EQ. Add another parametric?? An amazing DI and Demeter quality? I absolutely love this amp. I can't fit it in a front pocket of a gig bag, but I made a custom rack bag for it and it's easy enough to sling around a shoulder. It's a great amp. My only niggle would be that I would like separate gain and level controls. I have been thinking about seeing if I can send it back to the shop to have him add a level control.

On the bottom is the Eden Powered Navigator 1000. Like the Demeter, this is an existing preamp (the Eden Navigator) with a power section (1000 watts) installed. It's a little big, but it's class D so it only weighs 10 lbs - easily slung around the shoulder. The Eden WT800 is my second favorite amp of all time, but it's big and heavy when compared to new class D amps. I had always wished that Eden would make a class D version, but they never did. I loved the Navigator - it was one of the last of my rack preamps to go - and although I had the Eden WTDI pedal, I kinda did miss the old WT800.

I didn't even know that Eden made such a thing as the Powered Nav and they are pretty rare - I haven't seen more than 2-3 for sale over the past decade - but I got lucky and a friendly fellow bassist tracked one down for me. It's a great amp, and I'm pretty lucky to have found it. I love the tone, and it's not much bigger than a lot of the other two space class D heads out there.

Honorable mention is the Quilter 800. Killer amp, superb power section, it just got edged out by the GR because of the GR's more flexible EQ.

Oh, and my favorite amp of all time is the Mesa 400+.

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Thanks for taking us on an excellent journey. I’m fond of the saying that “it’s all about the journey, not the destination”.

Love my WT800, but sad that *amp* gigs are few and far between these days.

I agree with the portability of newer class D amps. These days, when I do come across an *amp* gig, I almost alway use an aguilar Tone Hammer 500 with either a 4x10 or a 2x10 cab depending on the room.

I have struggled with tone since going *amp-less*. This thread really helped me consider my needs and has helped me decide on how to approach rebuilding my pedalboard.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.
 
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El Jefe,
I am quite sure that this is not the Journey's end.
You found a happy place and when you do so on a Journey, you should stay a while and rest, enjoy what you've found and be merry.
However, the journey was fun, was it not? And at some point in the not-so-distant future, you'll feel an itch. It's just a small step from there and you're back in the saddle.

If you think you'll stay with your pedal situation for the time being, I would challenge you to build a clean board with what you have. At least one of them.
Find the perfect board for the setup, and if you don't find it, have it made or build it yourself. Clean cable runs, properly oriented pedals in neat rows.
 
I'm slowly progressing through the same (pedalboard, or really, ampless setup journey). Today I got to a point to where I think I had my current pedalboard tweaked to sound as best as it could sound. In my head, I was thinking, this is really starting to sound really good. Then it happened.

I plugged into my amp to compare.

My pedalboard sucks again.

Although, I can't really blame the pedals.

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The root cause is really that ampless stages suck.
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IMHO, YMMV, and all the good things.
 
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Jesus, thank you for saying this. The pictures flared up an OCD I didn’t even know I had!
I'm a returning complainer.

I am quite sure El Jefe creates pedalboards by putting velcro on the pedals and the board and then tossing them into a tumble dryer and letting the thing run until it stops rattling.


It's one thing to see a pedalboard with a total value of less than $200 that looks like a mess.
It's another thing to see a whole bunch of boutique pedals, a prime collection, full of unobtanium and / or super expensive pedals being jammed on like that.

But that's just us.

El Jefe has his life in order, as well as his groove, so he can have some (literal) slack when it comes to tidy boards.
 
You found a happy place and when you do so on a Journey, you should stay a while and rest, enjoy what you've found and be merry.
However, the journey was fun, was it not? And at some point in the not-so-distant future, you'll feel an itch. It's just a small step from there and you're back in the saddle.
exactly this my friend! I look at it this way - I may have gotten to where I wanted, but I'm always going to "travel" and meet new friends :-) Already that Hornet is calling my name ...

Find the perfect board for the setup, and if you don't find it, have it made or build it yourself. Clean cable runs, properly oriented pedals in neat rows.
I kind of did this before, but it didn't last long. I'm gonna give myself a few months before I really call it done. Last time I ended up wasting a perfectly good custom cable set :) That being said, I'm waiting for the JPTR Jive Bass to come out - once that comes out, I'm going to start with the dirt board and redo that one - I already have a board in mind, I just need to modify it a little. The one that I have now is a custom one, I built the power supply into the deck of the board itself.

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The root cause is really that ampless stages suck.
I'm with you there. I don't do to many ampless gigs, fortunately. New Orleans is a music town, and we love it old school (for the most part). Even at super fancy high end Mardi Gras balls, the rental backline is an SVT stack. I don't have good in-ears, and I'm gonna have to spring for some at some point, but not today.

And tomorrow doesn't look good for in-ears either ...

Jesus, thank you for saying this. The pictures flared up an OCD I didn’t even know I had!
Hahaha, sorry folks. I think I kinda thrive on the chaos a little. That, and my m.o. has always been to squeeze as much as possible into a little room as possible. You know, for portability.

And not for nothing, but I posted pics to a Facebook group and got the same comments lol. I should maybe post an OCD trigger warning with the pics ...

I'm a returning complainer.
You're a return "contributor.' Fixed it for ya!

It's one thing to see a pedalboard with a total value of less than $200 that looks like a mess.
It's another thing to see a whole bunch of boutique pedals, a prime collection, full of unobtanium and / or super expensive pedals being jammed on like that.

But that's just us.

El Jefe has his life in order, as well as his groove, so he can have some (literal) slack when it comes to tidy boards.
Indeed! It's all about the groove! And you actually make a good point about the pedals, but at least I can assure that they are very safe and secure, very well attached, and aren't going anywhere ... I mean until I get some GAS again!

Thank you guys for the fun! Today was a looooooong day at work and I appreciate the good times!
 
@moon-bass this brother has helped me more times than I can count and never once said stop bugging me. 😆 I've learned alot from him & @el murdoque We've all have different tastes but sometimes, someone's else point of view can lead you to open your mind to different things. I've only been into pedals for 2 years and if I was gigging more I know doubt have various live pedalboards. As it stands today I have 2 pedalboards
1. A home pedalboard with 13 pedals. There's still things I want to try but it's extremely useful for my needs.
2. A Broughton Centric Gig pedalboard a few tweaks and it's perfect. As it stands today it's pretty damn solid for my needs.

Enhancement to pedalboard 1. Cali76 Bass Compressor or Alma V2, Mu-Tron mini or Vi, Wampler Ethereal if I add the Dispatch Master to my Gig Board. Possibly a Capo or Bassrig 64 or Shiftline. Preamp must have a DI and fit the exact spot.

Enhancement to the Gig board below RFE, Tube preamp UA or Super Stack that I passed on while on vacation. Maybe Dispatch Master, LowRider move SBM underneath to make room.
 

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@moon-bass this brother has helped me more times than I can count and never once said stop bugging me.
Man, you have helped me so much as well! It's absolutely been my pleasure! Also, I said something earlier about making friends over this as well ;-)
 
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The last two are going to be the longest. Board #4. If I had to pick a name, I would call this my "gigging board." This board will see the most "out of house/studio" use by far. It's also the messiest as I had to squeeze a lot into a tiny space.

I had a few requirements for this board:

  1. Size: Has to fit into a Mono Tick.
  2. Flexibility: has to be able to handle almost any type of gig, from a music/tone standpoint (i.e. funk, metal, classic rock, jazz, etc.) as well as support multiple styles and basses - fretted and fretless, as well as supporting "easy" slap tone
  3. Flexibility part 2: it needs to be able to be used for IEMs as well as amps (both mine and rented backline)
So, let's take a look at the requirements 1x1 and how I met them all, before we get into individual pedals.

  1. Size: I chose the largest board that I could conceivably fit into the Tick as I knew I would need to "jam" a lot of pedals onto the board. I'm no stranger to making mods to things, so I found a candidate and did some modifications - I changed out the feet and set it on a slight slant to accomodate a power supply and also a StageBug mounted underneath - but still accessible.
  2. Flexibility: Multiple options for a variety of gig, including the right effects. An envelope filter/follower is essential for me, and I need to synth for 80's music, as well as for it's octaver capabilities. Good dirt and a chorus (for fretless) round it out; a mutable tuner is a must as well for switching basses between songs (and staying in tune ... optional of course for fretless) - and let's not forget the parametric EQ!
  3. Flexibility 2: Compressor and variable HPF/LPF round this out, as does the ability to use a 1/4 or XLR out
To sum it all up, I needed a tuner, compressor, synth, chorus, parametric EQ, envelope filter, tone switching (for fretless and slap), dirt, EQ, LPF/HPF, 1/4 and XLR out, and a power supply - all on a board that measures less than 14" x 7" x 3.5"

Challenge accepted! Of course, one of the requirements was *not* that the cabling be neat and tidy ....

From input to output (note that the wiring in the pic might not reflect this, but I did some slight changes in the order):

TC Electronic Polytune 2. It's just the right size, bright enough to be read in most circumstances, fast, accurate, and I actually do like the poly tune feature. I have a few clip on tuners that I can use in a pinch, but I've grown very accustomed to a "stomp to mute" capability that it's almost essential

Becos Stella Compressor - other than the Cali76, my favorite compressor. It will handle anything I throw at it and then some, it's got tons of sculpting capability, and a nice little tone sweetener/saturation capability built in. I tend to use compressors to highlight the dynamics as opposed to squashing the signal, and the Stella excels at this. I went through a bunch of compressors and this one came out on top for me. As a side note, for many, many years I played without a compressor, and as a result of that I developed a lot of control over my playing style, especially when it comes to dynamics. My finger playing and slap playing are both relatively the same level. I also have a pretty percussive style (at times) and love to use harmonics, the compressor helps evening those out.

Sine Effects NanoPara - this tiny little EQ is fantastic. Fully parametric, essential for spot EQ but also for fretless - a bump around 700-800 really brings out the mwah.

Boss SY-1 Synth - I went through A LOT of synth pedals, more synths than any other type of pedal except perhaps dirt and envelope filters. Size was huge factor, but I also needed a synth with zero latency that is easy to adjust on the fly - meaning knobs instead of patches. Don't get me wrong - I thoroughly enjoyed messing around with the Source Audio C4 (and if i had time to dedicate to it, the C4 would win over the SY-1), but with that and the other more complex pedals I found myself spending a lot of time downloading patches, tweaking, etc. I needed a geat sounding synth with octave capabilities that took up the least amount of space possible - the SY-1 fits the bill perfectly.

Mutron Micro-Tron IV with the red option - I've mentioned before that for envelope filters I've got a three way tie for my favorite - this is one of them. The other two are the 3 Leaf GR-2 and a John K custom Mutron clone. The GR-2 wouldn't fit, so that one was out. It was almost a toss up between the Micro-tron and the John K, and there is a 100% chance that I will swap this one out for the John K at some point, and then later back again. The John K sounds and reacts like an old school Mutron (bonus: I have a voltage regulator that I use to simulate a dying battery); the Micro-Tron, with the red option (fatser response) fits my playing style a little better. Both are excellent pedals, and I really dig the response on the Micro - it's what led me to try out the GR-2 (variable attack settings)

Mr. Black Micro Vintage Chorus - I like this one so much I bought it, sold it, then bought it again. It's the best mini-chorus on the market IMO. Shimmery analog goodness, it has a nice rich vintage tone that is just perfect for my fretless. Very full sounding. And of course it's just the right size!

Origin Effects DCX Bass - this one does dirt, some EQ, and tone sweetening all in one. It's very touch sensitive and sounds phenomenal. I don't know what else I can say about this that's not already been said - it's an all around great pedal.

Markbass MB Mini boost - two things that I have to admit - first, I do really like the Markbass tone, and second, I love to slap. While I was looking for boost pedals I came across this for pretty cheap and I love it. It's small, of course, and I use it for "instant slap tone!" Just a little twist of the VPF knob and bam! I have it set at unity gain, so I don't use it as a true boost, just to drop some mids and boost the highs and lows to make that slappin' sound great!

Broughton HPF & LPF - These two are no brainers. Broughton makes killer pedals, and IMO these are pretty much the industry standard.

Radial StageBug (underneath) - small, made for bass, provides everything I need for a DI. Nothing fancy, it just WORKS.



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  1. Size: I chose the largest board that I could conceivably fit into the Tick as I knew I would need to "jam" a lot of pedals onto the board. I'm no stranger to making mods to things, so I found a candidate and did some modifications - I changed out the feet and set it on a slight slant to accomodate a power supply and also a StageBug mounted underneath - but still accessible.

Challenge accepted! Of course, one of the requirements was *not* that the cabling be neat and tidy ....


While I do have a little vomit in my mouth while typing this, I need to know: Which board did you choose?
 
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Believe it or not, it's a generic board that I got for cheap on Craigslist. It's very similar to a Pedaltrain Nano - Aluminum, two bars, lightweight, and just the right size

I have an old Nano, back from the time where they did soft bags that worked the same as the Mono Tick Bag - you can strap it to the Gigbag.
I would be interested in something slightly larger and already got my hopes up.
 
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I have an old Nano, back from the time where they did soft bags that worked the same as the Mono Tick Bag - you can strap it to the Gigbag.
I would be interested in something slightly larger and already got my hopes up.
I'll check today and see if I can find any identifying marks on it, or a label or anything that could help.
 

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