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#321
Clark Dark said:
Management changes, money restrictions, tomfoolery, all of the aforementioned. Can we talk about Moses!!! The thing is in Philly they wanted Andre to be the next Allen and he isn't built that way and they didn't built a complimentary team around him. Same with Jrue.
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Dead on the money.

I am holding out hope that things have started to normalize and everyone is on the same page. I think ( hope! ) that Nerlens Noel, Joel Embiid and Dario Saric with the new addition of D'Angelo Russell ( freaking hate that the Lakers have a shot at him... but think Okafor is their guy ) will put them in a very good position to grow the talent and start winning again.


I love M.M. man. Dug him even before he did work in a 6ers Uni but damn I wish he'd never have said Fo Fo Fo. It made us ( my family and I ) nervous as hell :) Of course those were the trash talkin' 80's and I'm being a bit hypocritical as my favorite 6er ever was Chocolate Thunder his bad self :D Double D talked trash with the best of them.
 
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#322
GregC said:
Doc as a GM--ouch, babe. I mean, there are already rumors of a Griffin/Paul rift, and then you bring this moron into your locker room? Don't get it at all. I know the Clips are cap-strapped, but there HAD to be a better answer than this.
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Yeah I'm trying my best to put my head around it. Doc as GM has not been good at all. I have to see the financial figures behind this trade and see if anything it was aleast a move to maybe clear up a few million in cap space as well. So maybe a risky move hoping Lance turns into a triple double machine again while clearing some cap space to go after some needed depth. But then again hes a player that needs the ball in his hands and on a team with Cp3 that aint happening. Put him on the bench you say? On a second team with Jamal Crawford that aint happening. From what I keep hearing that cap space will be in the form of Paul Pierce. Not hating on Pierce but we might need some more youth on the wing.
 
#324
Funky Ghost said:
Dead on the money.

I am holding out hope that things have started to normalize and everyone is on the same page. I think ( hope! ) that Nerlens Noel, Joel Embiid and Dario Saric with the new addition of D'Angelo Russell ( freaking hate that the Lakers have a shot at him... but think Okafor is their guy ) will put them in a very good position to grow the talent and start winning again.
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I actually like the 6ers experiment and hope it pays off. Being really really bad and hope for some lottery luck and actually getting some great picks. Now it all comes down to good scouting and if they used those picks well no reason to not have a awesome stacked team, on cheap contracts, that can learn and grow together, and be contenders for years. Easier said then done yeah but they have a chance.
 
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#329
Well, Bob. I guess if we want to be exact. Sure, he slowed him some.

However;

Record numbers.

Not good numbers.

Not great numbers.

RECORD numbers.

Could LeBron have got more? We will never know, but we DO know that he, Iggy, was one of the guys assigned to guard the person putting up all time numbers.

I know, I know.

"Really? Record numbers?"

Yes.

Really, Bob.
 
#330
Funky Ghost said:
Well, Bob. I guess if we want to be exact. Sure, he slowed him some.

However;

Record numbers.

Not good numbers.

Not great numbers.

RECORD numbers.

Could LeBron have got more? We will never know, but we DO know that he, Iggy, was one of the guys assigned to guard the person putting up all time numbers.

I know, I know.

"Really? Record numbers?"

Yes.

Really, Bob.
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Who's Bob?
 
#331
The Cavs lose, and the Cleveland newspaper puts out a lame headline dogging the team. The next day, the editor of the paper makes it worse by coming up with an even lamer excuse for it. No wonder Cleveland ain't won nothing in forever.

-Mike
 
#332
On the subject of Iggy, I think he did a good job on Lebron. Iggy is listed at 6'6" and 215. If that is even close, he'd be giving up at least 40 lbs to guard Lebron. At times Lebron just flattened him like back in the old days of Shaq and Vlade....only Iggy wasn't flopping. Whenever he wasn't on Lebron, nobody could do anything to slow him down. Yes, he put up record numbers, but he needed a lot of shots to do it, and he needed to take all of those shots because the three headed clown suit of Smith/Shumpert/Delly was shooting an even worse percentage. For the series, Lebron shot 40%. We'll never know what he would have shot if Igoudala wasn't guarding him, but my guess it would have been a bit higher than that. Plus, Igoudala played him as tough physically as anyone on the Warriors could without fouling on every possession. He made him work, and in the end he wore down - and when he wore down, the Cavs had no other answers.
 
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#333
Chris Fitzgerald said:
On the subject of Iggy, I think he did a good job on Lebron. Iggy is listed at 6'6" and 215. If that is even close, he'd be giving up at least 40 lbs to guard Lebron. At times Lebron just flattened him like back in the old days of Shaq and Vlade....only Iggy wasn't flopping. Whenever he wasn't on Lebron, nobody could do anything to slow him down. Yes, he put up record numbers, but he needed a lot of shots to do it, and he needed to take all of those shots because the three headed clown suit of Smith/Shumpert/Delly was shooting an even worse percentage. For the series, Lebron shot 40%. We'll never know what he would have shot if Igoudala wasn't guarding him, but my guess it would have been a bit higher than that. Plus, Igoudala played him as tough physically as anyone on the Warriors could without fouling on every possession. He made him work, and in the end he wore down - and when he wore down, the Cavs had no other answers.
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I agree Chris.

I said that GS could wear down LBJ if they stopped launching so many threes and kept LBJ running. 50 minutes a game is crazy time for a person doing most of the heavy lifting on the team. I have no Iggy hate, maybe a tab bitter as I admitted, but it wasn't his doing, it was a crappy front office deal.

Good comparison to Vlade and Shaq. I was at a few of those game back in the day here in Sac. You're right, the play was smart on the Warriors part. Not drawing fouls and playing him tight n tough and no flopping. Although, if I'm honest, I loved Flop-a-saurus rex almost as much as hack-a-Shaq before Shaq fixed his free throw game.

I can see the MVP nod. I get it. Took a bit :)
 
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Vlade was fun to watch, and it broke my heart that Shaq got away with just freight training his way to the basket back then. Hell, you'd have to put a garbage truck in between Shaq and the basket to keep him from dunking back then. I have never hated any team as much as I hated the Lakers that year, because it felt like the establishment was just going to make sure they got into the finals no matter what it took. In retrospect, it was probably more like a few bad bounces and a lot of officiating policies as regards charging that I didn't like. But this year, there were two non-dynasty teams in the finals, so it was much more enjoyable.
 
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#336
Chris Fitzgerald said:
Vlade was fun to watch, and it broke my heart that Shaq got away with just freight training his way to the basket back then. Hell, you'd have to put a garbage truck in between Shaq and the basket to keep him from dunking back then.
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Fouls are defined as an unfair advantage, of one player over another.

Because of Shaq's size, it was easier for him to knock someone over as he backed down to the basket. If you call a foul on him every time he does it, then you would have to say it's unfair for him to even participate in the game. So the threshold of a foul changes compared to a player of average size. But that's what is so hard about officiating a basketball game.

Not only do you have to determine unfair advantage but you have to do it in a split second. You can't spend five or ten seconds going over the play in your head and then blow the whistle. The other team could have grabbed the rebound and scored at the other end in that amount of time. That's why, in my opinion, it's insane to argue with a ref's call because it's his split-second interpretation of what he saw.
 
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My disagreement with the rule is that if a player has position - as in a fast beak or drive - the offensive player with momentum can't go through or flatten the stationary defensive player or it's an offensive foul. To take a charge, all the defensive player has to do is maintain position to force the offensive player to go around him. Yet somehow when it was Shaq, it was OK to just run anybody else over even if they had position.

Don't get me wrong, I like Shaq a lot, but feel that the refs should have forced him to move his feet instead of steamrolling people who were stationary defenders. If they had enforced that rule, he would have had to use different moves to get to the rim. Had this happened, i think he would still have been every bit as much a dominant all time great player, but it would have been a lot more fun to watch, and a lot more fair to try to defend, strategically speaking.

Another thing I liked a lot about this series was that neither team seemed to be trying to rely on the drive the lane out of control, then flop and cry for a foul routine. I liked that the refs for the most part kept this in check by letting players play. Sure, there were some bad calls, but there were also a lot of no calls on these plays, and I think that's a good thing for the game. I quit watching the finals for a few years after 2006 when D-Wade won the finals MVP from the free throw line while taking advantage of this strategy almost exclusively. Kobe spent a lot of time doing this in the playoffs as well, and every time I would see a game start to go this way, all I could think was "Life is too short. Why am I wasting mine watching this?".

When players are looking to draw fouls first and actually make their shot second, IMO the game is a huge drag to watch. As a Warriors fan in this series, I was actually pleased several times when Steph Curry tried the old D-Wade fake the defender into the air, then flop into them and pretend to shoot routine and didn't get the calls. He adjusted to the way the refs were not calling this - much to Van Gundy's relief - and buckled down and played a much more interesting game.
 
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One reason why I think the "and one" is ridiculous.

If a foul, by definition, is an unfair advantage, then how unfair could it be if the shooter makes his shot?

In regards to Shaq, if you call a charge on him like you would any other player, then you're penalizing him because of his size. I think the refs required a little more stance out of the defender when playing Shaq. You can't just say it's a charge because Shaq ran over Spud Webb. If Spud can't defend his position, it's a block.

I think the charge foul should require that the defensive player give the offensive player a little more room. They call it a block in the open court when the ball carrier catches a pass, turns, and runs right in to the defender. But under the basket, the timing is extremely tight.
 
#339
Chris Fitzgerald said:
I quit watching the finals for a few years after 2006 when D-Wade won the finals MVP from the free throw line while taking advantage of this strategy almost exclusively. Kobe spent a lot of time doing this in the playoffs as well, and every time I would see a game start to go this way, all I could think was "Life is too short. Why am I wasting mine watching this?".

When players are looking to draw fouls first and actually make their shot second, IMO the game is a huge drag to watch. As a Warriors fan in this series, I was actually pleased several times when Steph Curry tried the old D-Wade fake the defender into the air, then flop into them and pretend to shoot routine and didn't get the calls. He adjusted to the way the refs were not calling this - much to Van Gundy's relief - and buckled down and played a much more interesting game.
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My sentiments when watching James Harden play. As for the Shaq discussion yeah that ones a tough one. Keep in mind there wasn't a restricted area during his prime which might have made it more clear. Although it would only be clear when the defender was clearly in the restricted area and all other times outside the restricted area the refs would still debate so there would still be an argument for each case. But its all related to whatever that generation of play is. Remember handchecking allowed and guards can literally be pushed to the halfcourt line? Poor little fragile Steph Curry or even my boy CP3 who is pretty short would not be as effective under those rules. The rules changed to make the game more exciting which brings in more ratings and in the end the current league is a very watchable one.
 
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#340
Funky Ghost said:
Well, Bob. I guess if we want to be exact. Sure, he slowed him some.

However;

Record numbers.

Not good numbers.

Not great numbers.

RECORD numbers.

Could LeBron have got more? We will never know, but we DO know that he, Iggy, was one of the guys assigned to guard the person putting up all time numbers.

I know, I know.

"Really? Record numbers?"

Yes.

Really, Bob.
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I think you must have missed one of those "record numbers": Shooting percentage.
Lebron James went 18-38, 11-35, 14-34, 7-22, 15-34 and 13-33 in this series. He never shot that poorly in any playoff series this year, nor in fact in any entire month of this past NBA season. You don't think his poor shooting percentage in the Finals had something to do with the guy who was tasked with defending him for most of the series?
 

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