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NBD Black Rose Customs (Double P content, 15+ years in the making)

Apr 23, 2003
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For background/sob story/slightly cringe worthy content, you can check out my almost-16-year-old gear wanted thread here:

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/found-looking-for-my-old-black-rose-custom-or-l-2000.153128/

The short short story is that I had this bass built for me in 2001-2002 by John Wymore who had a company called Black Rose Customs at the time. Took delivery in February 2002, loved everything about it, and played it in my originals band for a few years. I sold it in the wake of an identity crisis when that band broke up. Regretted selling it as I was driving away from the UPS store, and have been searching almost the entire time since.

It surfaced this past fall, and after some twists and turns, finally landed back here in NJ today - and the neckplate with my name is somehow still on the back. Thanks to @ra33ra33 for taking such good care of it all these years.

I've spent so long looking for this bass that it's pretty tough to put into words how it feels to have it back. Yes, it's a collection of (very nice) bits of wood and metal, but tracking down and being able to buy back my "one who got away" is really a special thing, for me at least. Surreal even.

specs are:
  • USA Customs body and finish (back when the finishing was a separate unit called Roxy Guitar Finish)
  • Warmoth quartersawn neck, with some flame I had forgotten about
  • Duncan Vintage (Neck) and QP (bridge)
  • Stacked V-T for each pickup
  • Hipshot hardware with a d tuner.

I could write a book about this whole saga (which probably wouldn't be that interesting actually as it was mostly waiting), but for now I'm just really excited for my new/old bass. Thinking my others will be seeing less action for a little while, and a few of them are probably in danger.

Here's some new pics - the blue is hard to capture but these are pretty accurate. Would love to share a couple of old pics from my old band, but alas I'm in the middle of a move, and my things will be in storage for a couple of weeks.


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Wow, very cool story. I feel that way about the last Warwick 5 string I sold. Maybe someday I will have it again. I sold it and purchased a MIA jazz and later a MIA P ( that I sold as I am a jazz guy ) I bet the current owner doesn't even know it's a 35" special order and has trouble finding strings long enough.
 
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Wow, very cool story. I feel that way about the last Warwick 5 string I sold. Maybe someday I will have it again. I sold it and purchased a MIA jazz and later a MIA P ( that I sold as I am a jazz guy ) I bet the current owner doesn't even know it's a 35" special order and has trouble finding strings long enough.

Those little things are the best part.

This bass had a few tweaks, culminating in a neck swap, done to eliminate a deadspot. And a little later it had a pickup swap from the Duncan Hot to Duncan Vintage. I remember each change, why and how it happened. I even remember the day I got the Black Rose headstock decal in the mail, since They hadn't arrived when the bass was completed.

Love the tiny details that make an instrument what it is.
 
Huge congrats! I remember when you posted that thread, I noticed it because I like double-P basses, and I owned a couple of John's Wymore basses at the time. I'm so glad it found the way home to you!

Thanks! John is a talented guy - bummer he stopped building. Still holding out hope to try one of the 50's p bass Style p-j builds he did.

Last picture reminds me of The Dude Pit...Lick worthy

haha! I had a "licked"
Bongo, still have the pics somewhere. That was definitely a time!
 
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I keep waiting for my fretless G&L ASAT to show up for sale somewhere.
For some reason I actually think it's going to happen one day....

Don't give up hope - only took me 16 years! :roflmao: Almost gave up looking a few times, but in the end I'm glad I didn't. As one of the posters in my Wanted thread said, if it doesn't show up the first 6 years, keep looking for 6 more. The bass world is small enough that it will probably turn back up some day.

Maybe I should shift my focus to the '84 L2K (also trans-blue/maple) I sold back in 1998...
 
I'm with you, except I reversed my bridge pups after this picture was taken. You probably have discovered by now that you can get some wicked passive tones out of this config. It's as versatile as it gets. I have one concentric pot as vol/vol, and the second concentric pot is tone control on top and two different value of caps wired to each side of the bottom. In the pick below it was vol/vol and then a 5 position rotary tone control.
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I'm with you, except I reversed my bridge pups after this picture was taken. You probably have discovered by now that you can get some wicked passive tones out of this config. It's as versatile as it gets. I have one concentric pot as vol/vol, and the second concentric pot is tone control on top and two different value of caps wired to each side of the bottom. In the pick below it was vol/vol and then a 5 position rotary tone control.
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That's sharp - love the color and the woven graphite look! Pretty interesting electronic setup too. Do you notice a big difference with the bridge pickup reversed? I've played some basses where the reverse p (in either position) was noticeable, and some where it was not.
 
Beautiful bass.....love the blue, and the stack knob setup.
The condition is just amazing!... did the other owners even play it?

Based on my conversations with the seller, he played it out regularly (at least until the pandemic hit) and just takes very good care of his instruments. Pretty sure that every single ding and mark on that bass are from my days playing the NYC club circuit in the early 2000's.