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NCAA Football - 2011
- Thread starter MJ5150
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Greg, please, NFL Scouts and talent evaluators know way more than you. I give you Ryan Leaf,Tony Mandarich and Akili Smith as proof.
In all seriousness, between the two you mentioned, it's more of a toss up IMO. Green has a flare for the spectacular, but Jones is just as capable and a little more versatile.
I wish I could find the article, but I read where talent evaluation going into the NFL is wrong more often than not, at least when it comes to first round drafts. For every guy who was worth that first round pick for a team, there are a handful that were not.
That said, I can see how folks would be divided over Green vs. Jones. Green is probably the more elusive receiver, and with better hands. Jones is without a doubt much more physical and intimidating on every play, and there's no denying his hardcore work ethic and personal sacrifice to win games. He has no ego at all. It won't bother me to see folks tip toward Green at all, cause I think both will do well in the pros. I still think Jones has the intagibles that make him a better pick in the NFL.
That said, I can see how folks would be divided over Green vs. Jones. Green is probably the more elusive receiver, and with better hands. Jones is without a doubt much more physical and intimidating on every play, and there's no denying his hardcore work ethic and personal sacrifice to win games. He has no ego at all. It won't bother me to see folks tip toward Green at all, cause I think both will do well in the pros. I still think Jones has the intagibles that make him a better pick in the NFL.
Ah yes, their track record speaks for itself, doesn't it?Greg, please, NFL Scouts and talent evaluators know way more than you. I give you Ryan Leaf,Tony Mandarich and Akili Smith as proof.
In all seriousness, between the two you mentioned, it's more of a toss up IMO. Green has a flare for the spectacular, but Jones is just as capable and a little more versatile.
Does Green really have better hands? I don't know, maybe I'm mixing my memories of him with those of his gutless, pass-dropping predecessors like Fred Gibson.
All I know is, whenever the Gators played Bama, I was terrified every time the ball was thrown to Jones. Green, not so much.
I didn't watch Green enough to know for sure. There are some spectacular highlights of him catching some mean balls though. I know that Jones had a tendency to turn his head and start heading for the endzone before the ball even got to him, and he dropped some because of that. I always felt like this was a correctible mistake that just never really worked itself completely out.
I think most folks probably have the same feeling as you, Greg, regarding having to defend Jones vs. Green, but for some reason Green is getting a lot of love, even after what Julio did at the combine with a broken foot. I don't really get it either, but I just assumed it's the Bama bias I have.
I think most folks probably have the same feeling as you, Greg, regarding having to defend Jones vs. Green, but for some reason Green is getting a lot of love, even after what Julio did at the combine with a broken foot. I don't really get it either, but I just assumed it's the Bama bias I have.
I was told today by someone close to the program that our long snapper and one other player were seeking shelter underneath a stairwell in a home when the tornado hit. The house was completely destroyed except for the stairwell. The snapper was thrown 50 feet from the location and was badly bruised and lacerated. His girlfriend however was killed in the incident.
At my son's baseball game tonight, i was told that the coach's father has a house on a lake just outside of Tuscaloosa. The tornado killed 7 people on that road alone. Another person has an office administrator who lost their mother in the Tuscaloosa area. Truly tragic.
At my son's baseball game tonight, i was told that the coach's father has a house on a lake just outside of Tuscaloosa. The tornado killed 7 people on that road alone. Another person has an office administrator who lost their mother in the Tuscaloosa area. Truly tragic.
That is awful.
I liked Tuscaloosa when I visited 18 months ago, my thoughts are with the folks down there.
If anyone didn't think college football was all about the money, here are the details on the new contract Will Muschamp just signed with Florida. How do you give someone who makes over $2.5 million a year another $61,000 for expenses? He could go out and be a disgrace next year, get fired, and collect $8 million to go away.
The five-year deal includes $250,000 in base salary; $1.7 million annually for television and radio contracts; $260,000 annually from the school's equipment contracts; $200,000 annually from the school's apparel contract with Nike; $61,000 annually for an expense account; and $29,400 annually in pension.
He would also get a $500,000 retention bonus if he's still with the program on Jan. 31, 2016, after the final year of the deal.
The contract includes a $500,000 buyout clause and is full of bonus incentives, including $250,000 for winning the Bowl Championship Series title game and $75,000 for winning the Southeastern Conference title game.
If Florida fires Muschamp, he would receive $2 million a year for every year left on the contract.
-Mike
The five-year deal includes $250,000 in base salary; $1.7 million annually for television and radio contracts; $260,000 annually from the school's equipment contracts; $200,000 annually from the school's apparel contract with Nike; $61,000 annually for an expense account; and $29,400 annually in pension.
He would also get a $500,000 retention bonus if he's still with the program on Jan. 31, 2016, after the final year of the deal.
The contract includes a $500,000 buyout clause and is full of bonus incentives, including $250,000 for winning the Bowl Championship Series title game and $75,000 for winning the Southeastern Conference title game.
If Florida fires Muschamp, he would receive $2 million a year for every year left on the contract.
-Mike
I'm not at all surprised at the size of the deal, even for a first-time head coach. Luring him away from Texas wasn't going to be cheap.
Yeah, same here. The numbers themselves are on par for a school with a major football program. Muschamp didn't break any deals with those numbers, and without looking, I'd guess he isn't even the highest paid coach in the SEC. Which is fine, I'm not complaining.
-Mike
-Mike
MJ5150 said:
Mike, are you being sarcastic? I can't really tell.
Saban is making $6 mil a year, and Les isn't far behind, but he's making more than Spurier. I think Muschamp's salary is too high for a first timer, but he has all the makings of a great coach. Just has to win at this point. Big gamble by Florida IMO, especially after being Zookered. Hard to predict good head coaches. I still can't believe they didn't go after a proven leader. The are a lot of good ones they could have had at that price.
Eublet said:
Just a little bit mixed in there.
Muschamp got more than he should have, but as Greg said, that is what it was going to take to pry him from Texas. Florida has time to take a chance on Muschamp. He may bomb and be a Zook, but they'll just pay him off and go after Peterson or Strong, who will have a couple more years under his belt as a HC by then.
-Mike
I think something got lost in translation. What I was trying to say was Muschamp's salary is typical for a major BCS school, so the actual figure is not surprising to me at all. I was being sarcastic about having to look to double check if he was the highest paid SEC HC.
-Mike
-Mike
Hmmm. Guess I missed this thread. Good to see all of you guys again.
...even you tree poisoning Bama turds
War Eagle!
...even you tree poisoning Bama turds
War Eagle!
That was one looooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnggggggggg post game celebration bro.
-Mike
. He had it brewin' for awhile Mike!
Did you ever post those pics from the game Stankface?
That was one looooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnggggggggg post game celebration bro.
-Mike
It's been over 50 years. I had to make it count.
He had it brewin' for awhile Mike!
Did you ever post those pics from the game Stankface?
I didn't as I actually had my new camera stolen shortly after I got back from the game.
OK Stanky, since you're back and this just came out--they're seriously building a statue for a guy who was at Auburn for less than a year when the investigation isn't really over yet? They can't build them for the other two guys, then wait a year or two first?
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