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Neck Dive...Really?

fhm555

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Feb 16, 2011
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Hey folks...

So I keep seeing all these warnings about neck dive with Fender basses. I've never owned enough P basse long enough to have any real standing up all night performing with a P experience, but what limited experience I do have in that regard, I cannot recall ever having to wrestle to keep the neck up off the floor.

With Jazz basses I've own(ed) all manner of variants from Fender, standard, dinky body, long scale, UL tuners, factory BA bridge, factory Schaller locking bridge, and just about anything else you can think of. I've also logged a lot of hours standing all night with a Jazz performing and have never experienced even a hint of neck dive. I've also discussed this with a lot of other bass players and so far I have yet to meet a single bass player with any experience with neck dive when using a Fender Jazz bass.

Outside of Fenders I've played a lot of other basses over the years, a lot of different Peavey models, a bunch of hollow and semi hollow bodies, short scale, long scale, ex long scale, and 4 and 5 strings and unless it happened in my sleep I can honestly say I've never experienced any neck dive, or so little I can't recall it happening.

Am I living a sheltered life or is there something I'm missing here. I understand the basic premise of balance and how strap button placement, top horn length, etc, can have an effect on balance, or the obvious too much weight out at the end of that lever called the neck, but are there other factors like where you wear you bass in relation to your body, neck angle in relation to the ground, type of strap, width of strap, etc that can contribute to or cause neck dive.

I'm just trying to get a handle on why I read about neck dive but have never experienced it and don't know anyone else who has.

Thanks in advance for any and all opinions and experiences.
 
I haven't had any with a HUGE fight, but I've noticed it. I've often tried Peavey Furies as affordable "Duck Dunn" options, but the neck won't sit at a proper angle on its own - doesn't dive to the floor but it hangs horizontally, won't stay at an angle. Fenders and Squiers, never remember its being an issue. I know I've been struck by it with some basses I've tried in stores but which models they were eludes me at the moment.
 
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Try an Epiphone Thunderbird.
It's the one bass I've owned that I really had to fight neck-dive.
That issue aside, it was a great bass.

I've owned several Fenders, most recently a Jazz and my current Precision and have never encountered neck-dive on them.
Admittedly I've used a fairly wide leather strap which probably helps.
You would pick one of the few bass styles I've never tried. :D
As for straps, I've never used anything but the chea-pass 2" nylon seat belt type straps. Wide straps dig into my neck and drive me crazy.
 
Neck dive defined.
When your bass goes here....
Snapshot_20170811_1.JPG(My bass forced into a dive)

....when you want it to be here...
.Snapshot_20170811.JPG(Where I play)



This........is NOT what we are talking about when we say "neck dive"!!!...
Snapshot_20170811_2.JPGTHIS..........Is RIDICULOUS!
(I had to push the bass down to demonstrate the ridiculousness)
 
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I get what it means, I just don't get why it happens to some and not others. I'm trying to find causes to avoid for future reference.
When the neck weighs more than the body.
Also due to heavy tuners.
Or the upper horn is not long enough to balance the bass properly.
 
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If that was the root cause, why do some folks not experience the phenomenon, yet others using the same instrument do experience it?
Not all basses of the same model weigh the same.
Different wood densities and all.

Some unconsciously compensate by lifting with the left arm and pushing down with the right.
And don't really notice it until they play a bass that doesn't dive.

Some like me have found that a wide,thick strap cancels any neck dive.
 
Neck dive can be compensated for or even disregarded by the player. But it's a little like a strange noise in your new car: Once you notice neck dive, it's kinda hard to ignore it. A bass should be as well-balanced as a DeWalt cordless drill. If it's too heavy in one axis, you can't not notice it.


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There are a lot of things on TB that are said that you were unaware of.
I didn't know neck dive was a thing before coming here.
As long as your bass weighs 9 pounds or so, you likely won't have it
 
My SX five string jazz was quite neck divey. Five elephant ear tuners (nickel plated lead?) and the fat slab-o-maple headstock, all mounted to a lightweight basswood body. I fixed it, though. Lightweight tuners, chopped headstock, high mass bridge, and a wide cotton strap. Neck dive is completely gone.
 
Hey folks...

So I keep seeing all these warnings about neck dive with Fender basses. I've never owned enough P basse long enough to have any real standing up all night performing with a P experience, but what limited experience I do have in that regard, I cannot recall ever having to wrestle to keep the neck up off the floor.

With Jazz basses I've own(ed) all manner of variants from Fender, standard, dinky body, long scale, UL tuners, factory BA bridge, factory Schaller locking bridge, and just about anything else you can think of. I've also logged a lot of hours standing all night with a Jazz performing and have never experienced even a hint of neck dive. I've also discussed this with a lot of other bass players and so far I have yet to meet a single bass player with any experience with neck dive when using a Fender Jazz bass.

Outside of Fenders I've played a lot of other basses over the years, a lot of different Peavey models, a bunch of hollow and semi hollow bodies, short scale, long scale, ex long scale, and 4 and 5 strings and unless it happened in my sleep I can honestly say I've never experienced any neck dive, or so little I can't recall it happening.

Am I living a sheltered life or is there something I'm missing here. I understand the basic premise of balance and how strap button placement, top horn length, etc, can have an effect on balance, or the obvious too much weight out at the end of that lever called the neck, but are there other factors like where you wear you bass in relation to your body, neck angle in relation to the ground, type of strap, width of strap, etc that can contribute to or cause neck dive.

I'm just trying to get a handle on why I read about neck dive but have never experienced it and don't know anyone else who has.

Thanks in advance for any and all opinions and experiences.

I don't think you read about it that much, I think you are being rather dramatic in that long post. But I agree that Fender doesn't neck dive, and my left wrist is pretty lame and is sensitive to all sorts of bass neck challenges including neck dive.
 
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Never on mine, as pictured as my avatar. I read the same thing and tried to make it happen wearing the 2" seat belt style strap it came with. No dice.
Bought a nice 3" leather padded strap just because it is so damn comfortable, and good looking. Dammit, NOW I have "neck ascending" issues!

(Not really, just want to see if it now becomes the "problem du jour" just because it was posted on a highly read bass site)
Now....Hands over head, duck and run, SERPENTINE! SERPENTINE!!!!