Need opinions and guidance building a space elevator.

[Relic]

This makes it worse. You are doing exactly what your post says, attacking the OP.

+1. Plus...if I were a betting man, I'd be betting that the mods let this one go for as long as it did just to illustrate as to why asking for money on a forum's a bad idea?

Granted, maybe it's all a big misunderstanding but it sure as heck came across that way. Oh well. happy Friday folks!

 

[DwaynieAD]

+1. Plus...if I were a betting man, I'd be betting that the mods let this one go for as long as it did just to illustrate as to why asking for money on a forum's a bad idea?

Granted, maybe it's all a big misunderstanding but it sure as heck came across that way. Oh well. happy Friday folks!

idk I'd be amicable to a kickstarter to help a band on these boards, you know record, tour, shoot a video..

then again that's not an OT thread.

 

[MatticusMania]

can we do an escalator to space?

I get claustrophobic in elevators. An escalator would be much more enjoyable. I like to run up the down one.

Also instead of relying on parachutes people should become better at high speed somersaults so they never fall to the ground. People are lazy.

Tuck and roll!

you are just trying to promote giving money to the space elevator program, a scam to raise money for personal use.

No really! Im building a teleportation device and I need more money for acid, I mean, transmodulators and flux capacitors.

 

[1SHOT1HIT]

This whole thing stinks of a group of people thinking up some crazy scheme to fool the world into believing that getting all of this technology into space is going to benefit us.

I think what it's really about is not so much getting anything into space, but more a way to get things from space back to earth.

The moon is a virtual gold mine, even that is a understatement.
The financial benefit of discovering a way to bring Helium 3 back to earth is astronomical.
The moon is estimated to have millions and millions of tons of this stuff, and mining for it would be fairly inexpensive. The issue is getting here.
It is said just a mere 25 tons of this stuff would power all of America and most of Europe for an entire year.
It is the key element for nuclear fusion, just think of the capital gain this company would make once they had a working tether from the moon to earth.
The cost to build it would be so small in comparison it's not funny.
Even at a billion dollars, the money to be made off the moons resources would trump it ten times over if not more.

I have ZERO belief this is about getting anything into space, I believe this is figuratively speaking a few scammers trying to stick a virtual money straw into our moon for Helium 3 and the stuffing of their intelligent wallets.

Just my opinion, but it just makes more sense to me than anything I've heard in support of this idea.
The moon is loaded with helium 3 and earth while it has small deposits here and there it yields very little because of our atmosphere and magnetic field. While the moon sucks it up like a sponge due to having no atmosphere at all.
It's given off from the sun.

Feel free to read up on it.
Aside from that I think this idea is as crazy as flight and the Internet. Except those were actually tangible ambitions.
The possibilities of this just don't seem to be there.

 

[EricF]

This whole thing stinks of a group of people thinking up some crazy scheme to fool the world into believing that getting all of this technology into space is going to benefit us.

I think what it's really about is not so much getting anything into space, but more a way to get things from space back to earth.

The moon is a virtual gold mine, even that is a understatement.
The financial benefit of discovering a way to bring Helium 3 back to earth is astronomical.
The moon is estimated to have millions and millions of tons of this stuff, and mining for it would be fairly inexpensive. The issue is getting here.
It is said just a mere 25 tons of this stuff would power all of America and most of Europe for an entire year.
It is the key element for nuclear fusion, just think of the capital gain this company would make once they had a working tether from the moon to earth.
The cost to build it would be so small in comparison it's not funny.
Even at a billion dollars, the money to be made off the moons resources would trump it ten times over if not more.

I have ZERO belief this is about getting anything into space, I believe this is figuratively speaking a few scammers trying to stick a virtual money straw into our moon for Helium 3 and the stuffing of their intelligent wallets.

Just my opinion, but it just makes more sense to me than anything I've heard in support of this idea.
The moon is loaded with helium 3 and earth while it has small deposits here and there it yields very little because of our atmosphere and magnetic field. While the moon sucks it up like a sponge due to having no atmosphere at all.
It's given off from the sun.

Feel free to read up on it.
Aside from that I think this idea is as crazy as flight and the Internet. Except those were actually tangible ambitions.
The possibilities of this just don't seem to be there.

This has made more sense than anything else I've heard so far on this scheme. Follow the money.

 

[skychief]

...I think this idea is as crazy as flight and the Internet. Except those were actually tangible ambitions.
The possibilities of this just don't seem to be there.

Tangible to those individuals who were bold enough to attempt them.

I would agree at this stage in technology, the materials required to build the space elevator dont exist. Yet. Sometime in the future, materials may be fabricated with the tensile strength necessary to build it. But right now, ya, it really is just a pipe dream.

 

[1SHOT1HIT]

This has made more sense than anything else I've heard so far on this scheme. Follow the money.

Seriously read up on it, then apply your common knowledge of human nature.

Who doesn't want to come up with the next big thing.
And what is bigger than energy resource? If a group could virtually eliminate the global need of fossil fuels or whatever they'd be the litteral King of the jungle.

Imagine holding the key to the one thing EVERYONE needs. Energy.
This is why I strongly believe this to be exactly what the real motives behind this are.

And honestly I can't explain it properly, or articulate why this fits so well. So I definitely encourage others to read up on Helium 3 before donating into this thing.
Be INFORMED, be EDUCATED, be AWARE, BEWARE.

Also, keep in mind he who holds that key controls the lock. Scary concept of you really think about the powers one could potentially hold from being at the helm of such control.

I'm keeping my dollar, no thanks.
I'll send it to NASA so they can build it of necessary.

 

[1SHOT1HIT]

Tangible to those individuals who were bold enough to attempt them.

I would agree at this stage in technology, the materials required to build the space elevator dont exist. Yet. Sometime in the future, materials may be fabricated with the tensile strength necessary to build it. But right now, ya, it really is just a pipe dream.

You could look up and see a bird and easily imagine flight.

You could talk through a pipe, stethoscope, can & string, radio, telephone, electricity, and many more and see that electronic communication was still in its infancy.
And I'd go as far as saying even now we haven't seen NOTHING yet.

But when you heard the story of the little boy who lassoed the moon, did anyone really believe it was possible?
Well besides the OP and this NASA engineer?

I mean I definitely believe we could one day have ease of access to the moon for its resources.
Whether it be a tether or a shuttle or whatever.
I can see it sure.
But I just don't see this guy and his minions being our link to that future. I respect his ambition but to me it's delusions of grandeur at best.

No offense intended, I'm just content with being a skeptic is all.

 

[bluesblaster]

No really! Im building a teleportation device and I need more money for acid, I mean, transmodulators and flux capacitors.[/QUOTE]

BEAM ME UP SCOTTY !

 

[mcglyph]

Oh you guys. Really. What a ride this has been.

Oh, and as I now can't say though really wish you all would
hear...it's not about the...(word I can't say).
Jeez, what a group.

 

[MatticusMania]

Oh, and as I now can't say though really wish you all would
hear...it's not about the...(word I can't say).

Youre every bit entitled to believe that, but unless you were Michael Laine himself you can't really know the truth of the matter.

 

[EricF]

Oh you guys. Really. What a ride this has been.

Oh, and as I now can't say though really wish you all would
hear...it's not about the...(word I can't say).
Jeez, what a group.

1. In current society, almost EVERYTHYING follows a money trail.
B. If you don't think there isn't some get-stupid-rich component to the moon-tether/space-elevator idea, you're drinking too much of the Kool-Aid.

 

[mcglyph]

, even if Michael; Lain and :iftport d

Youre every bit entitled to believe that, but unless you were Michael Laine himself you can't really know the truth of the matter.

My apologies, I was actually talking about this thread, as clearly there's huge money in all great achievement, of which the space elevator will in fact be one, even if Michael Laine and Liftport are not the ones who do it. There are multiple countries, and agencies working toward this reality.
You would not reasonably expect the company which cures cancer to give it away, right? The point is right now today, and for the foreseeable future, this thread and my intent is not intended to get anyone, to, "....there hard earned...". Whatever, and ever..amen.

 

[mcglyph]

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The link is tangentially related to this thread, talking about CNT tech.

Let me be clear, this is not a call for anyone to, "...give your..hard earned (word I can't say). I think the
whole thing, the rings, what they are made of, and of course the potential name of the new alloy, is pretty freaking sweet.

 

[1SHOT1HIT]

Oh you guys. Really. What a ride this has been.

Oh, and as I now can't say though really wish you all would
hear...it's not about the...(word I can't say).
Jeez, what a group.

If you could fuel all of America and almost all of Europe for an entire year.
I mean absolutely EVERYTHING that requires energy to operate (really put that into perspective for a moment)
That is what 25 tons of Helium 3 would get you.

That is an incredible amount of energy for very little product.

Could you even fathom the amount of cash it would cost to do the same thing with our current resources? It's mind numbing to even consider.

Let's say 25 tons is far fetched how about 1 tons a year for the next 5 years.

With that maybe you could fuel everything on Manhattan island for 6 months to a year.

Even that would be a multi million dollar pay day for the supplier.

And you believe this guy doesn't know about helium 3 and our planets desperate need for better and more efficient energy needs?
If you have even the slightest faith in his intelligence, you MUST admit, he knows about it.

And knowing that he knows about it, do you honestly believe he hasn't considered that ability to mine the moon for it, if he could find and or fund a way?

Do you think he was turned off by the thought of being the supplier of the one stop energy crisis fix?
He'd be technically speaking the most famous man in technological history.
He honestly could claim that he saved the planet.
What a hell of a claim to fame.

Maybe he completely missed these possibilities maybe he completely overlooked the tether of platinum he is selling to you.
Maybe, highly unlikely but maybe.

My guess would be a former NASA engineer who would DEFINITELY be aware of the possibilities of this would certainly Pursue it, IF he really believed it was possible.

Now, if he was to decide to pursue it, would it be smart to go about it by asking everyone to help him get rich?
Probably not.

But it would be smart to make it seem like it was all in the name of forward thinking science. Using examples like the wright brothers, Thomas Edison and the like would all be great examples to use to make it all seem tangible and believable.

Have you not wondered why many questions asked remain unanswered? As stated multiple times in this thread.

Yeah, okay, your probably right it's about growing the world and team work, and global growth and singing Kum ba ya around the camp fire and stuff.
No possible way it could be about the trillions and trillions of dollars in natural resources the moon has just sitting waiting for the taking.

I'd much rather see that control held by the nations that govern our planet, not some small independent group.
You know what happens when power like that is in the hands of a small group and all the people need their product but have no way to get it?

Read up on the people of the Arab countries that currently live in poverty while their oil rich leaders drive around in Bughattis and make statues of them selves, and make islands shaped in cute little designs, and sky scrapers, and palaces, and more or less flash their endless wealth while their own people more or less live like animals.

 

[skychief]

But I just don't see this guy and his minions being our link to that future. I respect his ambition but to me it's delusions of grandeur at best.

No offense intended, I'm just content with being a skeptic is all.

None taken!... I too am highly skeptical about it (the space elevator).

So, how can we can we get the lunar He-3 back to terra-firma?

 

[1SHOT1HIT]

None taken!... I too am highly skeptical about it (the space elevator).

So, how can we can we get the lunar He-3 back to terra-firma?

Duct tape, lots, and lots, of Duct tape

 

[Horny Toad]

If this doesn't make it into the Classic Thread Hall of Fame I will lose all faith in TB.

 

[placedesjardins]

Oh you guys. Really. What a ride this has been.

Oh, and as I now can't say though really wish you all would
hear...it's not about the...(word I can't say).
Jeez, what a group.

I hate space elevators. Hate hate hate it.




Space escalators. Now... that's a totally different beast. I love it.

 

[placedesjardins]

, even if Michael; Lain and :iftport d

My apologies, I was actually talking about this thread, as clearly there's huge money in all great achievement, of which the space elevator will in fact be one, even if Michael Laine and Liftport are not the ones who do it.

Whatever. Am I allowed to say that on talkbass?

...There are multiple countries, and agencies working toward this reality...

That's a lie, unless you are have a bunch of stuffed animals sitting around a Risk game board and pretending to build a space elevator to Barbie's mansion.

You would not reasonably expect the company which cures cancer to give it away, right?

Statements like that say red flag.

...The point is right now today, and for the foreseeable future, this thread and my intent is not intended to get anyone, to, "....there hard earned...". Whatever, and ever..amen.

It's "their hard-earned money". You are a fraud and a scammer.




By the way, where do I donate my $8 to the space escalator?