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I have the Liquifier, it arrived about two weeks ago. It's actually a really good sounding chorus, and is pretty wide in its capabilities. Plus the purple looks gorgeous!
I put it in line with my old Dod Fx63 Deep Freeze and a newer DigiTech bass chorus and to me it sounded as good as the deep freeze and probably a touch better than the DigiTech. Sounded a bit more modern than both, maybe? Not as dusty, if that makes sense. Didn't seem to retain the bottom end QUITE as well as the deep freeze though. Either way I'm going to keep it.
 
I just wish they would fix the SCR-DI clipping issues with hotter output pickups. Without having to use the tone sucking -15db jumper.
I found that I have to use the -15 position now, as my new DIY/KIT Pbass's DiMarzio Model P is Uber-hot. Either that or my Yamaha's 20+ year old DiMarzio J PUPs are really starting to lose output!

Didn't notice any "tone suck", just -15 db less level (which most ears will equate as "not as good sounding" unless one compensates by upping the output level; happens in audio all the time!) with EITHER bass (I will be using an MXR M81 to "up" the Yammy's level to match the P, of course).

As with all things in like, YMMV!
 
My thoughts after trying out the Opto-Comp this past week (as posted in my review of said pedal at Sweetwater)...

"A great idea, but not for all...

My DOD-280 DIY Clone was having some issues, and I was being too lazy to rip it apart and do some diagnostics. With that in mind, I figured I'd try this optical comp.

The good news- it really does optical style compression quite nicely! It's good to have a release knob on this (the DIY clone does not, which isn't always a good thing for my playing). Clean with minimal pumping (unless you have the compression full on and release full off).

The bad news- along with great compression comes a darkness in the tone of my instruments that wasn't there before; my Yamaha BBN4 (with DiMarzio Model J PUPs) got a bit of added depth to its tone, but a subdued midrange character.

Not what I wanted. Not transparent.

Same thing with my P-bass as well; while the Opto Comp certainly keeps the growl of this rock 'n' roll bass, it also seemed to impart a heaviness to the tone. Or, if you prefer, it veiled the sound so much that the notes actually sounded like they were being muted a little too much (and not in typical optical compression fashion). In contrast, my Clone (when working) sounds very transparent, with just a HINT of grit at higher compression settings.

After a few hours of A/Bing between the Opto Comp, my 280 clone, and another DIY VCA-style comp that I use primarily for hard limiting (for slap, and aggressive picking), I got on the phone to Sweetwater (Wayne Wildman rocks for EXCELLENT SERVICE, BTW!) and it is being returned, soon to be replaced by a Keeley Bassist Limiting Amplifier.

Yes, the Keeley is TWICE the money. Yes, it isn't an optical compressor, it is a VCA (Voltage Control Amplifier type of compression). But it I've heard it in many reviews, and owned a compressor in the past that I was very happy with (and had the EXACT same VCA chip as the Bassist).

REALLY try this pedal out with a few DIFFERENT basses (if you have them). It might work for you. Unfortunately, it didn't for me..."

So there you have it. My opinion. No flames please. Just my opinion here (there).

Can't wait for my Keeley Bassist to get here now!
 
All right, I've joined the club. Was buying a gift certificate for another band member and simply inquired if the store had the Liquifier in stock. They did! As I'd seen the demos I wasn't overly concerned about the regular chorus sound. What I was really looking for was a flanging sound which without having a manual with suggested settings (only online) I was able to roughly achieve so I went ahead and purchased. Only quick concern I have was the footswitch engaging the pedal seemed noisy. I'll really put it through it's paces this weekend.
 
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Uh-oh! I saw on Amazon.ca a review from another purchaser of the Liquifier who had the same loud pop when engaging the pedal. I wrote to Ampeg/Loud and one of their techs advised to try engaging and disengaging the footswitch and it should mellow with the activity. I'll give that a try this weekend.
 
Sorry to hog this thread. The footswitch pop sound is amplified the by level that you set the effect level (wet & dry). So by turning down the effect level, the switch sound is quite quiet but if the effect level is about 3:00 (which I found volume parity at low volumes) it's quite loud. This is a deal breaker for me as I'm not willing to do this switch in a song so it's going back. If this gets resolved, it is a great pedal at a great price point. Flanging is definitely available but maybe not quite at the level I was hoping for.
 
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I have been considering going with either the MXR Bass Chorus Deluxe, but dang that Ampeg Liquifier sounds good in the demos. Does anyone have any other thoughts on the Liquifier?
Still haven't got one as the transfer from LOUD to Yamaha is still going on, but I do love that Bass Chorus Deluxe. Very warm and thick chorus plus a fairly functional flanger.
 
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Came home from my gig to find these pedals waiting for me in a package from Dino The Ampeg Guy (thx Dino)! And it was a very happy surprise after I pulled a header on the sidewalk half an hour before playing and bruised a rib a little. Not hurting bad yet, thx for asking, yet but it's going to give me some pretty good stabs over the next few days. Took me a little while to get these since Yamaha bought Ampeg almost immediately after they came out, and I didn't want to bust stones. I'm an endorser, but I'm a polite endorser. Got about an hour at the house with them, so these are first impressions for sure and I reserve the right to change my mind once I get on the playing field, especially the Opto Comp.

Speaking of which, lest anyone thinks this is going to be a blatant holiday plug (you still have time to order in time :D ), my pedal universe is bigger than some but I like to keep it relatively small and manageable. That means if a pedal isn't cutting it, out it goes unless it's too cheap to sell or send back. I am very much an Ampeg amplifier nut, but I rule my pedal universe with an iron hand, I slice through the BS with a knife and I do it quickly. Nobody is spared my wrath, not even Ampeg, and you can take that to the bank. What good it will do you at the bank, who knows? But I do my best to be honest. Sometimes I may tart down the home team critiques in a polite manner, but I try to do that for all of them unless they're utter crap. But first impressions are that they're not utter crap, and are actually pretty cool.

I used to use compression but have hated it for over 10 years now, though I've been kinda sorta looking again over the past year. Haven't wanted to spend much on it since it's so not mission critical for me, but despite being super critical of compressors, I'm at least open to the idea again. So we'll start with the Opto Comp. It's very hard for me to tell if I like a compressor without a band context, but I do like what I hear so far. It's a mild-to-wild type pedal, where it goes from lightly clamping down on the outer reaches of your playing to full-on squishy squash. How little it lightly clamps down I'm not sure yet, and I really want to preserve most of my dynamic range, especially when playing lightly, but it does seem to have more dynamic range when you play quietly than some. I think I found a good setting for my tastes with compression at the first marker and release all the way down for quickest release...just enough to hit the outer edges. Seems to work and play well with other pedals, too. Solid comp that's easy to use but seems pretty versatile, adds very little extra noise unless you slam it really hard (a very slight bit of noise is inherent in all compressors I've used, some more than others). Won't know more till I get to use it with music, so that's as much as I can tell you now.

Chorus is another pedal I grew to hate for a long time, but I've somehow developed a taste for it again and actually bought an MXR Bass Chorus Deluxe. Now I own two choruses. The BCD and Liquifier are both up my alley tonally, which is a pretty warm tone and not as hard as something in the Boss realm. No tone knobs on the Liquifier but it's very much in line with my clean tone, a little less bright than I can get with the BCD's treble knob, but good solid low end that doesn't disappear. There are two extremely cool things about it IMHO...first is the blend knob. I'm enjoying being able to tailor how little or little of a wet/dry blend I want a lot. It gives it some extreme versatility, also ranging from mild to wild. The second thing is it goes from mild to wild. Crank those knobs up all the way, including the blend knob which gives you nothing but affected signal, and it gives you a super fast and choppy sound with harmonics flying everywhere, not unlike a ring modulator. Add fuzz for bonus fun. Someone somewhere in some type of music will find that a very useful sound. But it still sounds really good when your chorus usage is more mainstream.

Hope everyone has a joyous Christmahanukakwaanzica season. Mine's off to quite a nice start!!!
 
JimmyM,
Finally got those pedals! I did purchase the chorus but mine had a loud click when engaging the pedal (look for it). I really loved the tones and it could replace my utilitarian chorus pedal but the click was over the top. Also, loved the look of the Liquifier. Good to hear about the Opto Comp. Maybe Ampeg can win you back to the compressor-using fold!
Season`s greetings!
 
JimmyM,
Finally got those pedals! I did purchase the chorus but mine had a loud click when engaging the pedal (look for it). I really loved the tones and it could replace my utilitarian chorus pedal but the click was over the top. Also, loved the look of the Liquifier. Good to hear about the Opto Comp. Maybe Ampeg can win you back to the compressor-using fold!
Season`s greetings!
Hmmm...I didn't really notice any clicks or pops when switching it, but I agree that's a bummer when it happens to you. And yeah, that purple sparkle is the cat's ass!
 
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Came home from my gig to find these pedals waiting for me in a package from Dino The Ampeg Guy (thx Dino)! And it was a very happy surprise after I pulled a header on the sidewalk half an hour before playing and bruised a rib a little. Not hurting bad yet, thx for asking, yet but it's going to give me some pretty good stabs over the next few days. Took me a little while to get these since Yamaha bought Ampeg almost immediately after they came out, and I didn't want to bust stones. I'm an endorser, but I'm a polite endorser. Got about an hour at the house with them, so these are first impressions for sure and I reserve the right to change my mind once I get on the playing field, especially the Opto Comp.

Speaking of which, lest anyone thinks this is going to be a blatant holiday plug (you still have time to order in time :D ), my pedal universe is bigger than some but I like to keep it relatively small and manageable. That means if a pedal isn't cutting it, out it goes unless it's too cheap to sell or send back. I am very much an Ampeg amplifier nut, but I rule my pedal universe with an iron hand, I slice through the BS with a knife and I do it quickly. Nobody is spared my wrath, not even Ampeg, and you can take that to the bank. What good it will do you at the bank, who knows? But I do my best to be honest. Sometimes I may tart down the home team critiques in a polite manner, but I try to do that for all of them unless they're utter crap. But first impressions are that they're not utter crap, and are actually pretty cool.

I used to use compression but have hated it for over 10 years now, though I've been kinda sorta looking again over the past year. Haven't wanted to spend much on it since it's so not mission critical for me, but despite being super critical of compressors, I'm at least open to the idea again. So we'll start with the Opto Comp. It's very hard for me to tell if I like a compressor without a band context, but I do like what I hear so far. It's a mild-to-wild type pedal, where it goes from lightly clamping down on the outer reaches of your playing to full-on squishy squash. How little it lightly clamps down I'm not sure yet, and I really want to preserve most of my dynamic range, especially when playing lightly, but it does seem to have more dynamic range when you play quietly than some. I think I found a good setting for my tastes with compression at the first marker and release all the way down for quickest release...just enough to hit the outer edges. Seems to work and play well with other pedals, too. Solid comp that's easy to use but seems pretty versatile, adds very little extra noise unless you slam it really hard (a very slight bit of noise is inherent in all compressors I've used, some more than others). Won't know more till I get to use it with music, so that's as much as I can tell you now.

Chorus is another pedal I grew to hate for a long time, but I've somehow developed a taste for it again and actually bought an MXR Bass Chorus Deluxe. Now I own two choruses. The BCD and Liquifier are both up my alley tonally, which is a pretty warm tone and not as hard as something in the Boss realm. No tone knobs on the Liquifier but it's very much in line with my clean tone, a little less bright than I can get with the BCD's treble knob, but good solid low end that doesn't disappear. There are two extremely cool things about it IMHO...first is the blend knob. I'm enjoying being able to tailor how little or little of a wet/dry blend I want a lot. It gives it some extreme versatility, also ranging from mild to wild. The second thing is it goes from mild to wild. Crank those knobs up all the way, including the blend knob which gives you nothing but affected signal, and it gives you a super fast and choppy sound with harmonics flying everywhere, not unlike a ring modulator. Add fuzz for bonus fun. Someone somewhere in some type of music will find that a very useful sound. But it still sounds really good when your chorus usage is more mainstream.

Hope everyone has a joyous Christmahanukakwaanzica season. Mine's off to quite a nice start!!!

Jimmy,
I like the opto comp. I've been using it now since slightly after it came out. I find it very warm and flattens up the tone which is a characteristic of an optical compressor. It's one of my favorite compressors... that and the MXR.
 
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Jimmy,
I like the opto comp. I've been using it now since slightly after it came out. I find it very warm and flattens up the tone which is a characteristic of an optical compressor. It's one of my favorite compressors... that and the MXR.
Good to know, Fran. I think I'm finding the same thing with it. Not that I have tons of comp experience, but the one I've used that most reminds me of it sonically is the Waves RCL comp plugin set on opto, and that's a comp I'd put up against some of the best in the business. Except high end tube comps. Tubes always win :D

Got a chance to do some play-alongs with backing tracks tonight through headphones, and I'm a little bit more convinced about it now. I have to keep the compression ratio pretty low, though. If it gets over 9:00, it's too much of a dynamics cut on the loud notes. I also like keeping the release time low as well. Seems like 8:00 is about as high I can go with it. I like the way it only slightly brings up levels when you play lightly and quietly, too. That's always been a big complaint of mine with some of these pedal comps...you get the loud notes clamped down just right and it makes the quiet notes swell up too much. You can use a limiter instead but then the quiet notes don't do anything. But this one seems to strike a fair balance. At least it did in headphones.

But my blues/jazz band is super dynamic, and the drummer and one of the guitarists are super good at jazz. I am not but I'm learning. So if I use a comp, it's got to just keep me on the straight and narrow when the parts get difficult but leave me with a lot of dynamic range otherwise, and not suck all the balls out of my sound, especially since we're not usually super loud. So it isn't out of the woods yet. Won't get to find that out till Saturday.
 
Good to know, Fran. I think I'm finding the same thing with it. Not that I have tons of comp experience, but the one I've used that most reminds me of it sonically is the Waves RCL comp plugin set on opto, and that's a comp I'd put up against some of the best in the business. Except high end tube comps. Tubes always win :D

Got a chance to do some play-alongs with backing tracks tonight through headphones, and I'm a little bit more convinced about it now. I have to keep the compression ratio pretty low, though. If it gets over 9:00, it's too much of a dynamics cut on the loud notes. I also like keeping the release time low as well. Seems like 8:00 is about as high I can go with it. I like the way it only slightly brings up levels when you play lightly and quietly, too. That's always been a big complaint of mine with some of these pedal comps...you get the loud notes clamped down just right and it makes the quiet notes swell up too much. You can use a limiter instead but then the quiet notes don't do anything. But this one seems to strike a fair balance. At least it did in headphones.

But my blues/jazz band is super dynamic, and the drummer and one of the guitarists are super good at jazz. I am not but I'm learning. So if I use a comp, it's got to just keep me on the straight and narrow when the parts get difficult but leave me with a lot of dynamic range otherwise, and not suck all the balls out of my sound, especially since we're not usually super loud. So it isn't out of the woods yet. Won't get to find that out till Saturday.
I think that you can keep the comp ratio low is a testament to your right hand technique. I don't use a comp to address poor dynamics either. I use it for what it does in terms of fattening the tone. It actually makes the vast feel different if that makes sense. I like it best last in chain right before my preamp (scr-di or mesa subway); it's a monster there.

I can see it being really good for jazz and blues. I like it with my fretless jazz bass too. I use the MXR chorus deluxe and it's on most of the time. Also an overdrive which I use on ocassion. I don't use a ton of effects. Depends on what the song needs. Comp is on all the time!