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NEW AVATAR B412 NEO CABINET

#41
BogeyBass said:
Buying 2 2x12 cabinets and stacking them vertical is ideal....but no matter what a 4x12 is going to need less power and will have more bass than a 4x10.
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Finally someone said what I was thinking. I'd love to have 2 2x12 stacked vertically like typical 2x10 cabs. I think Berg is the only non-staggered 2x12? I'm not really in the market but a vertical stack of 12s in line sounds pretty awesome.

Crap even the Berg is staggered. Oh well. Good thing I'm not looking for a stack ;)
 
#43
BogeyBass said:
.... stuffed into cheap pre cut boxes....
in the end who cares, you just getting a wood box with eminence speakers...same krap as all the others......
.and avatars are freakin ugly looking metal grill flea market boxes.
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Actually Avatars "cheap pre cut boxes" as you call them are built quite a bit better than some higher end stuff I've had that cost 3x as much. They use good birch plywood and solid construction, they are getting better by adding from to back bracing and for the money it's easy to add so me DIY bracing with simple dowels. My B210's and TB153 are great sounding cabs, I get compliments on the tone and volume of my "flea market" boxes all the time especially from people who are shocked how they sound compared to boutique cabs.

Most of their cabs can be ordered with many different cover and grill options which is more than you can get from most cab makers.

My cabs are tools and my B210's have been workhorses, don't really care about the rat fur or the metal grill as long as they hold up and sound great. Without a special amount of care I don't think a pretty cab would look any better after gigging it for 1.5 years 2 to 3 nights a week.
 
#44
Not to derail this thread, but I don't think it's necessary to add ANOTHER Avatar topic:

I'm looking at the 153 and the 212. What kind of difference would I get between those two? I want something that has pretty similar sound on and off axis. I play a 4 string PJ in standard tuning and use a decent amount of effects (reverbs, delays, octaves), and the band I play in ranges from pretty heavy and doomy to extremely mellow where I play a lot of lead melodies and chords. I'm competing with a guitarist that plays in B standard.
 
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#45
+1 for the GS-412 height,it is much easier to handle than a small heavy box and on stage having the speakers closer to ear level is a big plus.
jebersole said:
I can vouche for the staggered speaker configuration in some 4x12 cabinets. I don't have to deadlift my Aguilar GS412 into the back of my Honda CRV since it is tall enough to tilt in. Built in wheels and handles means I don't need to haul a hand truck to move it. It also has NEO speakers so it's not nearly as heavy as it looks.

Having said that, I don't play venues anymore where it makes sense to keep it, so it's for sale:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f127/aguilar-gs412-bass-cabinet-796249/

--jason
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#46
impactwrench said:
Finally someone said what I was thinking. I'd love to have 2 2x12 stacked vertically like typical 2x10 cabs. I think Berg is the only non-staggered 2x12?
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Yes indeed good thinking, but no Berg is not the only non staggered 2x12.

just a shuffle around the very limited Musicians friend i found these=

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#47
KramerBassFan said:
Insult? Not meant as such.

I simply meant it in, the majority of people i've seen that use a 4x12 play that. Do other people? Sure.

No offense was meant for that.... And for the record, i personally use a VOX stlye Teardrop bass with a 100w tube head into an old school 2x15. No coffee table basses into 1,000w hybrid amps into 3 ways here. :hiding:
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Yeah, sorry-- I find myself getting a little defensive lately. I should have known better, since your name is "KramerBassGuy."

I happen to be a big fan of Jackson/Charvel, myself (my main bass is an active Charvel). But Jackson/Charvel vs. Kramer is a rivalry the likes of which only Ford vs. Chevrolet can compare!
 
#48
calypsocoral302 said:
Yeah, sorry-- I find myself getting a little defensive lately. I should have known better, since your name is "KramerBassGuy."

I happen to be a big fan of Jackson/Charvel, myself (my main bass is an active Charvel). But Jackson/Charvel vs. Kramer is a rivalry the likes of which only Ford vs. Chevrolet can compare!
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No worries, its only the internet! :D

I've always had a special place for Jacksons, always wanted a Nice Concert... but Forum Basses seem to be the same quality and construction of a Concert but at half the cost. :hiding: Oh and Jacksons new Concert line up seems to be pretty sweet for $350 some odd for a brand new bass.
 
#49
Hmmmm, interesting. If Avatar is manufacturing a 412 I wonder if they'll ever do a 610 NEO? Of course, a cab that size would benefit from wheels and a "towel bar" which doesn't seem to be Avatar's thing. I've owned 4 Avatar NEO cabs (still have 3 of 'em) and have never been disappointed in their products or their service.
 
#50
Take it from me, I use a Peavey 412 TVX.

Vertically aligned speakers are infinitely superior in dispersion and tone.

I love my cab, but if I could trade it for a version with staggered/vertical speakers, I would do it in a heartbeat.
 
#51
SteveHeissner said:
Hmmmm, interesting. If Avatar is manufacturing a 412 I wonder if they'll ever do a 610 NEO? Of course, a cab that size would benefit from wheels and a "towel bar" which doesn't seem to be Avatar's thing. I've owned 4 Avatar NEO cabs (still have 3 of 'em) and have never been disappointed in their products or their service.
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I doubt it. The secret to Avatar's marketing and developing is having a "few sizes fits all approach." They do not have anything right now that would house a 610 well, so no 610 is my guess.
 
#53
The more I look at the Avatar 412 NEO the more I like it. Sure it's not stacked, but it'll fit in the back of my vehicle easily and is only 72 lbs. It might be time to get rid of both of my GK NEO 212's (each weighs 64 lbs) and replace 'em with one Avatar 412 at 72 lbs. GAS GAS GAS!!! I love Avatar cabs.
 
#55
NineSpine said:
Not to derail this thread, but I don't think it's necessary to add ANOTHER Avatar topic:

I'm looking at the 153 and the 212. What kind of difference would I get between those two? I want something that has pretty similar sound on and off axis. I play a 4 string PJ in standard tuning and use a decent amount of effects (reverbs, delays, octaves), and the band I play in ranges from pretty heavy and doomy to extremely mellow where I play a lot of lead melodies and chords. I'm competing with a guitarist that plays in B standard.
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Good sound on and off axis and clarity/note definition in chords the 153 is it. The woofer in that one has the excursion to move about as much air as a "regular" 215 if you've got the power to push it.
 
#56
based on my great exp with the DeltaLF 2X12 I'm pulling the trigger on a blonde 4ohm 4X12 with DeltaLFs tomorrow. 100lbs....not too bad....throw some casters on it and I'll be good. 2000 watts RMS. Yeah.....can't wait!

After my conversation with Dave yesterday....I can't wait. I'll post an amateur review after a couple of weeks of receiving it.
 
#57
So I did get to play the Avatar Bass 412 cabinet this weekend. My band, The Beat Dolls, played in Victoria, Texas on Saturday night with another Austin band, The Scary Mondelos, and two other Victoria Bands (both were great! but can’t remember the band names).
The Scary Mondelos played before us and I let their bassist use the 412. He was running an Ampeg Portaflex 500 through it and playing my road bass (a double music man humbucker style, Jaguar bass). No amps were PA supported, only vocals and kick drum. He was actually too loud the majority of the show. I had to go up and turn him down at one point. The bass response from the 412 was huge but with plenty of clarity. I don’t know what descriptive terms to use other than big, fat, defined and PUNCHY as heck. I was really happy with how it sounded in the audience.
I ran my rig (sansamp RBI into a PV-4C, peavey 500 watt power amp). On stage the volume was extremely loud. I asked the guys in the other bands between songs if I needed to turn down but they agreed it was a good mix in the audience. Same results on-stage….big, fat, defined and so punchy. I was really happy with the tone, volume and not having to crank my amp to be cleanly heard through all the stage noise. The tweeter was turned off as there was plenty of clarity and highs with just the DeltaLFs.
Please note I’m not a technical user. My opinions are from a semi-pro bassist with limited technical knowledge when it comes to bass cabinet construction and specifications. When it sounds good, cuts through stage noise and my deaf-@$$ can hear it with no problem…..I’m happy.
In short it sounds like a much bigger version of the Avatar 2X12 (which I’ve owned before and loved) but with much more volume and bass response and still maintaining the same clarity and punch.

Pros – great bass response, volume and punchy, punchy tone in a fairly small package (29”, 29”, 14”).

Cons – no casters. At 100lbs casters are a must for this cabinet. I relocated the rubber feet to the side of the cab and added casters to the bottom making it easier to move and providing a more stable platform (when on its side) when loading and transporting in a vehicle. The casters probably added 5-10lbs. It’s heavy but very manageable and the weight is totally worth it when it comes to the tone, bass and volume output.

I switch up gear a lot and I will be keeping this cabinet. The volume and bass response (not necessarily tone) reminded me a little of my old 6X10 SWR Goliath for what it’s worth. I’d love to hear other opinions on this cabinet.

I have the DeltaLF version (blonde Tolex….looks great) which is 100lbs and handles 2000 watts RMS.
The neo version is 70lbs and handles 1000 watts RMS.
 

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