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New bass... or do I really need one?

2 things that got me going down this path. 1. During our jam sessions I cant get my mids to cut though. I have read a lot on here about this but just cant get them right. During live shows the FOH handles it and sounds great.
2. The P Bass is $400 on Facebook so while researching I found the Aerodyne and I love the looks of it.

If you are buying the basses you mentioned used, and pay a fair price, you would likely not lose any money on either of them. Either one would be very easy to sell if you end up not liking them. FWIW I don’t think you can beat a Pbass in a rock band. YMMV of course.
 
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To me, its about the neck and overall comfort level....i dont like basses more than say 8 lbs if possible (some of mine weigh more i admit).

Think long term and the ability to flip a bass is need be if economics is a concern (most of us it IS a concern!).

I will argue a decent P style bass anyday....lots out there with different neck sizes (again most important to many of us) and the simple electronics is super easy to upgrade, lots of great new & used parts out there for cheap to expensive etc...usually easy to flip these basses as well if need be.

Matter of fact i need at least 2 P basses, one with flats and other with rounds or maybe wrapped strings.
 
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My Aerodyne is my #1. Sounds great in a mix, light weight, fast neck, easy to play for hours.

I love how it sounds as much how easy it is to play. It's got a great tonal range. If your bass is your pen, an Aerodyne is one of these:
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The local Music Go Round has a used black one that my buddy told me is in nice condition for a decent price. I'm seriously considering getting it for a backup.
 
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I hear what you're saying. Based off the convo so far. I need to quit thinking about it and not just buy one to buy one. Which may be the case.

Basically we’re mostly trying to keep you from falling down the “chasing tone” rabbit hole. Hence all the questions attempting to help you better clarify what you’re attempting to accomplish by getting a different bass. Had your goal been something simple like: “I just want to get another bass. No good reason. I just want something new, and I’m thinking maybe a Fender Jazz - should I get one?” you’d get an almost universal “If you can afford one go for it!” as an answer.
 
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My Aerodyne is my #1. Sounds great in a mix, light weight, fast neck, easy to play for hours.

I love how it sounds as much how easy it is to play. It's got a great tonal range. If your bass is your pen, an Aerodyne is one of these:
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The local Music Go Round has a used black one that my buddy told me is in nice condition for a decent price. I'm seriously considering getting it for a backup.

I like the analogy! Think I am going to have to try the Aerodyne out.
 
Basically we’re mostly trying to keep you from falling down the “chasing tone” rabbit hole. Hence all the questions attempting to help you better clarify what you’re attempting to accomplish by getting a different bass. Had your goal been something simple like: “I just want to get another bass. No good reason. I just want something new, and I’m thinking maybe a Fender Jazz - should I get one?” you’d get an almost universal “If you can afford one go for it!” as an answer.

I understand and appreciate all the questions. Makes me think, why am I really wanting one. There is definitely a tonal rabbit hole
 
I like the analogy! Think I am going to have to try the Aerodyne out.

Aerodynes are fantastic instruments. I love the hell out of them. I just can't do jazz necks for full gigs.

That being said, Take your bass and plug it straight into your amp first. Set your amp flat. Run both pickups full on and EQ flat. What does your tone need eq wise? If it's really close, work your bass EQ. Boosting onboard Mids will really do wonders for popping you out. If it's not right there work with your amp a bit, one knob at a time. If you have a sweepable mid pump the gain up and sweep the mid to hear what each frequency does. Once your bass and amp sound good together you can start working your pedals back in and figure out what each adds or takes away from the EQ tone you want. Everybody I know loves Sansamp BDDI's but I could never get one to sound right for the life of me. But I know other guys whose tone I love that use them religiously. I like my VT Bass Deluxe very much though.

But give yourself a solid start and see where it goes from there. If you can't find a sound you like from just your bass and amp, then it might be time to look into electronics upgrades or a new bass. Pickups and preamps can change the entire character of a bass tonally.
 
I like the analogy! Think I am going to have to try the Aerodyne out.

I looked for one for about 2 years. Finally gave up, circled back to a store where I had played a jazz that kinda spoke to me. And there it was. Felt great in my hands. It didn't speak to me, it SANG!

It may or may not be the one for you, but you've definitely got the right idea to audition one.
 
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Aerodynes are fantastic instruments. I love the hell out of them. I just can't do jazz necks for full gigs.

That being said, Take your bass and plug it straight into your amp first. Set your amp flat. Run both pickups full on and EQ flat. What does your tone need eq wise? If it's really close, work your bass EQ. Boosting onboard Mids will really do wonders for popping you out. If it's not right there work with your amp a bit, one knob at a time. If you have a sweepable mid pump the gain up and sweep the mid to hear what each frequency does. Once your bass and amp sound good together you can start working your pedals back in and figure out what each adds or takes away from the EQ tone you want. Everybody I know loves Sansamp BDDI's but I could never get one to sound right for the life of me. But I know other guys whose tone I love that use them religiously. I like my VT Bass Deluxe very much though.

But give yourself a solid start and see where it goes from there. If you can't find a sound you like from just your bass and amp, then it might be time to look into electronics upgrades or a new bass. Pickups and preamps can change the entire character of a bass tonally.

Thank you for the detailed post! I haven't completely stripped down so I will give that a shot then go from there.
 
2 things that got me going down this path. 1. During our jam sessions I cant get my mids to cut though. I have read a lot on here about this but just cant get them right. During live shows the FOH handles it and sounds great.
2. The P Bass is $400 on Facebook so while researching I found the Aerodyne and I love the looks of it.

Those aerodynes are awful pretty aren't they? I'd love to have one.. but it's just not practical for me personally, I have a 4 string P bass I like and I've moved on to 5 strings.

I wouldn't fault you at all if you bought an aerodyne. It's a sleek looking bass and it's like having a P-bass with a little extra at the bridge.

You say you sound great through the FoH but not during jams. What kind of setup are you guys using during rehearsals and jams? Amps only? Floor monitors? noise cancelling headphones? In-ears?

IF it's just your 2x12 + head, is it sitting on the floor? Flat, or angled upward? Are you in the direct line of fire of any of your band member's amps? Because you'd probably be hearing that better than they're hearing it if you guys stand close to your amps. Vice versa.

So while you're thinking EQ and volume levels and things... also look at the layout of your jam space. If you're 2 feet in front of your amps and they're flat on the floor.. your knees can probably hear it pretty well but your ears may struggle. They make stands, or you can even get creative on getting speakers closer to ear level.

Or say if.. you have a bass player and a guitarist across the room, and without realizing it the guitarists amp is pointed at the face of the bassist from 8-10 feet away, and the bassist has his amp pointed at the guitarist's face, but both are standing 2 foot in front of their own amp flat on the floor.. dirty looks get spread.. guitar volume goes up, bass volume goes up rinse and repeat. After rehearsal, everybody's ears are ringing, potential hearing damage... might have slipped into a flashback there.

On stage generally the amps are pointed in the same direction. Where at home, we end up in a circle facing each other.

Solutions - Elevate speakers closer to ear level - aim amp at players ear rather than a fellow band member's face - stand farther away but in front of your amp - use hearing protection - get a nice mixing/pa solution with monitoring solutions.. floor wedges can be cool but I'm spoiled on personal headphone monitoring lately, which with the right kind of headphones, or in-ears aslo doubles as hearing protection.

That stuff gets expensive though.. where moving yourselves or your equipment that you already have around a little can be done without much monetary expense.

If you guys have already accounted for what I've described then yeah.. EQ.. volume levels.. make sure you aren't rolling the tone completely off even though it sounds yummy at home.. and snag that Aerodyne only if you want it.. you might enjoy it.. and if not there's a return period unless you buy used.
 
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Check out all your favourite bands.

I wager that you’ll find famous players getting stellar tones with everything from Fender to Lakeland to Ernie Ball to Spector to Sadowski to Dingwall to Alembic, and on and on. Some of them will sound surprisingly similar to each other, even while playing very different instruments.

TB legend says you need one of everything, but truth be told, good tone is mostly found through experience, instrument setup, and the rest of your signal chain.

If you find a bass that sounds and/or feels drastically better through your existing gear, then get it. But don’t go into the process with a lot of preconceptions- what you already have may be exactly what you need.
...Thus siad the Heretic.....:woot:
 
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From a guy who always says “you don’t need a bass, you need to practice”...

I’ve been playing bass for about 20 years, but my other instruments always took priority. I started playing bass more seriously, and regularly gigging, about 2 years ago. And I got my first Precision a little over a year ago....

And I tell ya, that thing changed my life! So simple, yet effective. And “mid presence” is what they do so well, so might be just what you are looking for. It allowed me to stop tweaking knobs, and just plug in and play.

So get out there and try as many P basses as you can. I’d consider the aerodyne, Skip the blacktop, and try other “standard” p basses as well. Good luck!
 
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If you're not going in debt or withholding food from your children, buy it. For most of us, this is a glorified hobby we only "need" one bass, one amp, one cord. At least the gear used in our hobby holds some residual value and can be resold when we want something different. It's better than owning a boat. I don't own a boat, but I'm told that just about every hobby is better than owning a boat.
 
Those aerodynes are awful pretty aren't they? I'd love to have one.. but it's just not practical for me personally, I have a 4 string P bass I like and I've moved on to 5 strings.

I wouldn't fault you at all if you bought an aerodyne. It's a sleek looking bass and it's like having a P-bass with a little extra at the bridge.

You say you sound great through the FoH but not during jams. What kind of setup are you guys using during rehearsals and jams? Amps only? Floor monitors? noise cancelling headphones? In-ears?

IF it's just your 2x12 + head, is it sitting on the floor? Flat, or angled upward? Are you in the direct line of fire of any of your band member's amps? Because you'd probably be hearing that better than they're hearing it if you guys stand close to your amps. Vice versa.

So while you're thinking EQ and volume levels and things... also look at the layout of your jam space. If you're 2 feet in front of your amps and they're flat on the floor.. your knees can probably hear it pretty well but your ears may struggle. They make stands, or you can even get creative on getting speakers closer to ear level.

Or say if.. you have a bass player and a guitarist across the room, and without realizing it the guitarists amp is pointed at the face of the bassist from 8-10 feet away, and the bassist has his amp pointed at the guitarist's face, but both are standing 2 foot in front of their own amp flat on the floor.. dirty looks get spread.. guitar volume goes up, bass volume goes up rinse and repeat. After rehearsal, everybody's ears are ringing, potential hearing damage... might have slipped into a flashback there.

On stage generally the amps are pointed in the same direction. Where at home, we end up in a circle facing each other.

Solutions - Elevate speakers closer to ear level - aim amp at players ear rather than a fellow band member's face - stand farther away but in front of your amp - use hearing protection - get a nice mixing/pa solution with monitoring solutions.. floor wedges can be cool but I'm spoiled on personal headphone monitoring lately, which with the right kind of headphones, or in-ears aslo doubles as hearing protection.

That stuff gets expensive though.. where moving yourselves or your equipment that you already have around a little can be done without much monetary expense.

If you guys have already accounted for what I've described then yeah.. EQ.. volume levels.. make sure you aren't rolling the tone completely off even though it sounds yummy at home.. and snag that Aerodyne only if you want it.. you might enjoy it.. and if not there's a return period unless you buy used.

Sometimes we use headphones, sometimes just amps, sometimes monitors. It depends on the mood we are in.

We do elevate amps but the are all pointed at each other and it can get stupid loud. I get the luxury of having 2 guitarist amps pointed at me. Set up may be the issue, however, the other guys cant great the mids level of the bass either.
 

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