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New Dilemma
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Since when does saying you don't care for a song equate to "dogging" it? One man says it rocks. Another man says he doesn't like it. No fault or foul to be found in either statement AFAIC.
That's all? Hmm...maybe I'm wrong with my weird thought then.
If it was significantly longer than that, I might have suspected you were only being used as a fire-starter.
A fire-starter is brought in when a group is trying to light a fire under the ass of someone they really want by "dating" another musician. I've seen that done a few times where a group is trying to get a former member, or an otherwise "known quantity," to sign on - and that person is hemming and hawing about it.
Bringing in a fire-starter usually breaks the deadlock. Sometimes the first choice signs on - in which case it's a simple hasta la bye-bye for the other guy.
Worst case is when the first choice doesn't take the bait and the second guy actually gets hired for the slot. The reason that's bad is because as long as the first choice is still around, the second guy never really has the job. He's only their contingency hire. The minute the first guy says he wants in, the second guy is out.
I'm a little suspicious (being somewhat experienced) of the story they gave of how they got all the way to auditioning you before they bumped into somebody they already knew - who just so happened to have their entire play list down cold - and wanted in.
Fancy that! What a funny world, huh?
But either way, if that is what happened, it's better they cut you loose now than 6 months down the road.
(Besides. You were going to call them and back out anyway, right?
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bluewine said:
3 songs for a Coverband audition in 1.5 hours + two 3 hour rehearsals.. Something smells kinda fishy here Blue
i would think any reputable cover band would go through a hundred songs in that time-frame..
A drummer I'm working with currently had a funky situation like that. He got a call from a guitarist friend who was playing with Wayne Newton at the time, saying "Newton needs a drummer, you're on it. When can you come to St. Louis?" With a wife and 2 kids, he got them to grudgingly accept the opportunity, so he packed up his gear and started driving. About 4 hours into an 8 hour drive, he gets a call saying "Oh, sorry, the guy he originally wanted just became available."
Sh*t happens.
Sh*t happens.
3 songs for a Coverband audition in 1.5 hours + two 3 hour rehearsals.. Something smells kinda fishy here Blue
i would think any reputable cover band would go through a hundred songs in that time-frame..
Gotta agree w/AfroCubanFunkMa.
That's enough time for them to run you from Aretha to Zappa by way of Led Zeppelin and still have time to visit Stevie and Stevie along the way.
How could you possibly make a cover band hiring decision based on only three songs unless you were a tribute band?
40Hz said:That's all? Hmm...maybe I'm wrong with my weird thought then.
If it was significantly longer than that, I might have suspected you were only being used as a fire-starter.
A fire-starter is brought in when a group is trying to light a fire under the ass of someone they really want by "dating" another musician. I've seen that done a few times where a group is trying to get a former member, or an otherwise "known quantity," to sign on - and that person is hemming and hawing about it.
I'm a little suspicious (being somewhat experienced) of the story they gave of how they got all the way to auditioning you before they bumped into somebody they already knew - who just so happened to have their entire play list down cold - and wanted
(Besides. You were going to call them and back out anyway, right?
Yes, so no lost love.
Fire Starter, interesting. It makes sense.
Glad I switched gears on this one.
At least he didnt have to drive the whole way.
I had a deal like this once. I was in the band, had done several shows. Had to drive about an hour and a half each way to practice.
We had this cool gig coming up opening for a major act at the big event of the year at a rafting place, after which we were going to disband because of the guitar players work schedule.
I was really looking forward to that show because it was gonna be in front of a wild crowd of hell-raisin rafters-pro sound and lights-all that.
The week before the show, I get a call, "We're going to use an old bass player that the guitar player is really tight with, because he wants to finish out with with him because of their long history."
I had a deal like this once. I was in the band, had done several shows. Had to drive about an hour and a half each way to practice.
We had this cool gig coming up opening for a major act at the big event of the year at a rafting place, after which we were going to disband because of the guitar players work schedule.
I was really looking forward to that show because it was gonna be in front of a wild crowd of hell-raisin rafters-pro sound and lights-all that.
The week before the show, I get a call, "We're going to use an old bass player that the guitar player is really tight with, because he wants to finish out with with him because of their long history."
3 songs for a Coverband audition in 1.5 hours + two 3 hour rehearsals.. Something smells kinda fishy here Blue
i would think any reputable cover band would go through a hundred songs in that time-frame..
I think the two 3 hour rehearsals were with his original band. Hence leaving him too tired to want to play with the new cover band.
(I may be wrong but that is how i read it.)
Sounds like both parties can improve their comunication skills.
It would be unprofessional if you bailed on the gig. It really doesn't matter the reason (Barring something urgent). If you didt want the gig, let it go. But you wouldn't want to leave them hanging. People talk and that builds reputations. Im sure you are better then that.
On thier part, they need to give you more of a heads up. Granted it worked out for you this time, but I wouldn't want to make a habit of letting people go at the last second after agreeing to have them play a gig.
Best of luck on your future gigs.
It would be unprofessional if you bailed on the gig. It really doesn't matter the reason (Barring something urgent). If you didt want the gig, let it go. But you wouldn't want to leave them hanging. People talk and that builds reputations. Im sure you are better then that.
On thier part, they need to give you more of a heads up. Granted it worked out for you this time, but I wouldn't want to make a habit of letting people go at the last second after agreeing to have them play a gig.
Best of luck on your future gigs.
How would we know any different? Any thread that we read here is about you being angry about being 58, or angry that your original band isn't working, or angry that you have to join a cover band, or angry that you were let go from a cover band you wanted to quit, or whatever it is that pissed you off for the day.
Not a slam, brother, I get the frustration. But don't expect us to know you have a great attitude toward something you don't care for, when we have probably never seen it.
Personally I think you lucked out. Sounds like you were going to bail on them, anyway. Better now than later in my view, they are already in touch with the other auditioners, who probably are still available, its easy to replace you at this point, not much time/effort wasted on their part.
However, they'd probably not think it was too cool, would have been hard to do without burning that bridge. This way, they feel bad for you, you go out on the high road, you look like a great guy, they, or any one of them, will call with another opportunity when it arises. You could now be first on their list.
Had you bailed, bad feelings on their side would have written you off most likely.
Randy
However, they'd probably not think it was too cool, would have been hard to do without burning that bridge. This way, they feel bad for you, you go out on the high road, you look like a great guy, they, or any one of them, will call with another opportunity when it arises. You could now be first on their list.
Had you bailed, bad feelings on their side would have written you off most likely.
Randy
His post did not require a slam like that dude. Seriously, just as he may not know you well, do you know him? He has a good point. Take your crabby arthritic a** to your happy place, and quit being so confrontational.
I say plenty of of nice stuff to people in the forum. And
even the age stuff, look closley at the context, it's not that big of a deal.
The music industry as a whole is really screwed up right now (Katie Perry/Taylor Swift) especially for rock guys.
I have seen these trends before it will pass and things will change for the better.We just have to stck together.
Yeah, I actually just received this a few minutes ago:
Thanks for understanding. You are a good guy and I truly appreciate your effort. If things go south, I promise you will be the first person I call.
Thats cool, but I knew I wasn't a cover guy. I don't know why I auditioned.
I went through a period of;
I want to play out more sooo bad that I'll do the cover band thing.
So I really have to stay away from this sort of thing.
I still think they punked me. oh well
I have let it go. I did want to be left of the hook and I was.
It's just that I just have never seen someone offer a business deal and then take it a way for no good reason.
Had it been me ,I woud have said, hey I made the offer, I'm sticking to it.
I would think there are some here that would think thats BS. But only a few take my side on these issues. I just look at life through a different set of glasses than most of you.
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