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New Fender Bass amp TB600

Wow, my very first zombie thread. But yeah, about hybrid amps in general, some designs don't sound "tubey" at all, while others do. And, it doesn't matter how many tubes are in it either. I have a 6Pro, with 6 preamp/driver tubes, that sounds like a warm solid state amp, and a Walkabout with 2 preamp/driver tubes, which sounds a whole lot like a tube head. Heck, some all-tube amps don't sound all that tubey. You just never know. But I'm glad someone here finally got one of these new Fenders.
 
I know a few pro bass players running the TB heads, and have heard nothing but great things about their TONE. Tone is important. I finally got to hear one live on stage lately and it was super fat and warm sounding, tubes or no tubes.

I will say that this weight business has gotten pretty ********. I'm not too worried about weight as long as the gear sounds good.
 
I have been wanting to try one of those TB600-c combo's, but no one here in Austin has ever heard of it much less thought about stocking one. You would think that since Austin is supposed to be one of the Music Capitals of the US that they would have one at GC, but nooo, they are too busy with Line 6 and the Rumble series fenders. Maybe one of these days they will send some decent gear down here to austin.
 
I recently put a pair of Telefunkens in my TB-600. An excellent improvement over the stock Sovtek tubes - louder and smoother. This amp is awesome!

BTW, I took a gamble and bought one of these based on TBP-1 samples I heard on basstasters. Although I had forty-five days to try it, about three minutes after plugging it in I knew it was a keeper.
 
We had the TB600 Combo, TB1200 head, and both the 610 Pro and 215 Pro in for review. They were all very high quality, very good sounding gear, though yes, pretty darned heavy. Unfortunately, Fender needed them back before we could complete our (admittedly long) review process, but I did get to spend some time with all of them, and I think pretty highly of the entire line.

Tom.
 
This is my follow-up on the Fender TB-600 Pro head. I have used it for a few months now and have played it at a number of rehearsals and shows and am really happy with it.

Regarding the weight, yes it is heavy. I have it mounted in a 4 space rack with a tuner and power conditioner as well so I am probably pushing 60+ lbs but that is fine with me. I, like the some of the other members do not understand what the fuss is about weight. Simply put, heavier bass heads have always sounded better to me; case in point: the SVTs being the best sounding heads I have ever heard. I played GK heads for years and have tried out some of the little micro amps which to me seem kind of embarrassing, and something was always missing from lightweight, primarily solid-state heads. After playing an SVT for a while and lugging that around, I'm fine with the weight of the head. Lifting it is good for upper body strength & when I am really happy with the sound of an amp, the weight is worth it. I just can't buy into all these little 'micro heads' floating around; they don't stack up. Case in point 'Mark Bass' etc. = total bummer to me.

This amp is ideally paired with a 4 ohm speaker load for maximum grindage & wattage but I have been using it with an ampeg 410(400w into 8 ohms) in clubs 350-500 capacity with big sound/PA's and I barely have the master up past 3. When I hear players talk about certain seemingly high powered amps not being 'loud enough' I wonder where they are playing. If you are playing anywhere with a decent p.a. & front of house guy and not some bar somewhere, you're never going to really tap into the headroom of your amp and will never have nearly as loud as it could be. A lot of pros use in-ears with very low stage volumes, and if not, you can get plenty of bass in the side-fills and wedges to hear yourself. So this head is plenty loud. The most common sign of an amateur band is usually, for starters, too much stage volume; too loud.

Re: tone, if you want straight up 'clean' bass tone, I don't think this head is for you. Even with the 'tube overdrive' section completely off w/very little gain, this thing is still very warm and creamy. Its basically the old Fender Bassman sound with a more punchy modern edge due to the solid state power amp, so for me, the best of both worlds, but if you want really piercing high end and slap & pop studio guy tone without tube growl, you'd be better off with GK or SWR even.

Lastly, the direct signal out of this head is great. I got rave reviews from various sound guys about it. I always used to use a sansamp driver for the d.i. but that can be a little farty, but the d.i. out of the TB-600 is really nice pre or post eq. Also the 'room balance' is a nice touch. Depending on the room, weather its muddy, boomy, eats up low end, whatever: you can adjust the room balance to get more perceived low end, or less w/more clarity and mids, without effecting the direct signal out of the head at all, so thats a nice feature.

Btw, I don't work for Fender or anything like that and blindly ordered the amp from them without trying it out so i didn't know what to expect but I am very happy with it.

Hopefully more players catch on to this amp, though I'm seeing more of these amps pop up here and there these days.
 
well, I have to agree that the 48lb, just for the head, is pretty crazy.

I understand the the massive torroidial transformers are heavy, but heck, even Hartke figured out how to deliver a 1000w of power (2x500w) with a nice tube front end in a package that's only 31lbs, which feels pretty heavy compared to the Genz, Markbass stuff. Even my favorite hybrid, the Mesa Walkabout, only runs 18lbs (which makes it a middle weight in this league).

And as far as the 102lbs for a 2x10 combo, thats also kind of off the chart. I have a Mesa Venture 2x12, that weighs 118lbs, but that's a 2x12 compared to a 2x10.

I suppose I would really have to withhold judgement until I played one of the Fenders a bit. I have heard great things about the TBP-1 pre amps.

In the end, the market (we bass players) decides what makes it after all.
 
The owner's manual states the TB-600 weighs 32 pounds.

hmmm, thought the Fender web site spec tab for the TB-600 amp said 48lbs. Guess I'll have to check again.

and you are correct .... specs for the head say 32lbs. So, they are at least in the same ballpark as the Hartke LH gear.

still, 32lbs is pretty heavy compared to some of the recent featherweight stuff with Class D switching power amp sections.

but if it sounds good, who cares !
 
We had the TB600 Combo, TB1200 head, and both the 610 Pro and 215 Pro in for review. They were all very high quality, very good sounding gear, though yes, pretty darned heavy. Unfortunately, Fender needed them back before we could complete our (admittedly long) review process, but I did get to spend some time with all of them, and I think pretty highly of the entire line.

Tom.

hey tom

So will there be a review in the next issue? did you get enough time for most of it? if not maybe a mini review on here of your thoughts??

Im finding it hard to find somewhere thats stocks them in aus. Just interested to see some more info on them. It doesn't seem like many people have talked a whole lot about them. only scarce info here or there...
 
hey tom

So will there be a review in the next issue? did you get enough time for most of it? if not maybe a mini review on here of your thoughts??

Nope. We had it 85% done, but Fender absolutely had to have it back, so we were not able to finish the review.

If it looks like we are not going to get one back to finish the job, I will post my thoughts here. I had the TB 600C combo, TB 1200 head, 610 Pro and 215 Pro (even though I said that we could not work all of them in for review right away), and I did take at least some notes on all of them. :cool:
 
hmmm, thought the Fender web site spec tab for the TB-600 amp said 48lbs. Guess I'll have to check again.

and you are correct .... specs for the head say 32lbs. So, they are at least in the same ballpark as the Hartke LH gear.

still, 32lbs is pretty heavy compared to some of the recent featherweight stuff with Class D switching power amp sections.

but if it sounds good, who cares !

I agree with your last statement. 32 pounds isn't bad, especially if you drop the head in a rack bag - handles!

Especially with the beautiful tone this head produces - look at what's inside.
 
I agree with your last statement. 32 pounds isn't bad, especially if you drop the head in a rack bag - handles!

Especially with the beautiful tone this head produces - look at what's inside.

Hey thanks for posting the pic of it taken apart! thats a great top view, and now I know exactly where the 12AX7s sit.. Some say the tube pre alone does not really deliver much of the 'true tube tone' but this head is really, really warm and has more 'tube sound' then just about anything ive played spare the SVT, so whatever Fender is doing, they know what they are doing. Def sounds similar to an old Bassman.

Yeah 48 lbs may be shipping weight but if you say 32 lbs, i mean thats nothing compared to an svt or something similar. although, as I said, i have it in a 4 space rack with tuner and furman, so its about 50lbs but i dont mind. id be interested to know though, sort of based on my last 'follow up' review on this amp: do people really think that the little 'micro heads' are comparable to real bass amps? are people that lazy that they can't lug around 40+ lbs of bass amp to get the job done? for me, as far as bass, tone is everything and until i hear a little 3 lb bass amp that fits in your wallet that sounds anywhere near as good as the others, i'll keep lugging my stuff around.
 
i don't understand the weight thing, either. Eighty pound SVT, I get, but most SS or hybrid heads, even around thirty pounds, aren't that difficult to manage.

Nate, it takes five minutes to undo the screws and pop the lid. I agree that this amp has a great tube tone, try some vintage valves, it really makes a great head even better! The stock Sovteks sound harsh in comparison.
 
I 'care' about weight... but I own an SVTII & a V4BH- both of which I LOVE!! BUT I'm one who also LOVE the tone of the LMII. For times when I HAVE to either take a small car & therefore rig, to a small sized venue gig, I thank Mark Bass for making the LMII & Jim Bergantino for making the AE112. & LOVE the tone of this pairing & have had SO many compliments on my tone USING this rig....... Still -given the choice - I'll take my SVTII or V4BH > NV610 ANYDAY!!
 
I like the TBP-1 Tube Bass Pre-Amp so it's logical that I'd like this head as well.

I'm wondering how it TB-600 sounds in comparrison to the TBP-1 does with a (insert power amp of your choice here.)

The weight isn't all that big a deal to me either. My back and balls probably wouldn't like lugging it around that much but if it sounds very good then it's worth it.