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New gear from Acoustic

They have? They sure seem to be chugging along just fine out here somehow. I'm not sure how much they actually sell or what kinds of profits they actually make per square foot. The one between work and home has seemed a little less well-stocked, but not that much recently.

What contracts have they lost? I saw just about everything you would expect there last time I passed through, but I'm hardly an inventory checker.

Unfortunately, GC's problems at this stage have much less to do with how much gear they sell than dealing with the terms they have with Bain Capital who acquired it and subsequently passed the majority onto a partner, Ares Capital. Ridiculously complicated, especially if one is trying to find some aspect that has to do with music hardware sales since there's practically none. But the short of it is that GC was bought by a private equity firm, so they have only one product and that is money. The whole idea of a private equity firm is NOT to run a successful company. Their sole reason for existing is to get investors to fill the pot, which is used to buy a suitable company, which gets a short term new coat of paint and fairy dusting, which can be many things but is usually simply cost cutting measures made by people who not only don't know the specific business they're dealing with, but don't care. They don't care about the market of the company and they don't care that they don't care. Their job is not to make GC successful. Their job is to make short term money for the equity firm. In short, it's a losing battle. I'm not saying GC is going out of business or anything like that, but they are owned by a company who is waiting to flip them, and that's not done here by increasing sales, it's only done in that world by cutting costs.

So vendors went X months without getting paid, and then it was twice as long, and some said we can't survive if you don't pay the invoices, and it's killing us to send you more stock. This and how the communications went over that period caused some manufacturers to simply pull out. Much has been smoothed over since then but it hurt GC. Haven't kept up on the details, but it's supposed to be a bit more on track now. If you've been to one and the mood was somber it also might have been due to a visit by the Union buster that Ares pays to make the rounds and squelch the recent attempts by employees to get fair wages and paid for past labor abuses.

Also Musician's Friend is a sister company, and had a liquidation of a large amount of slow moving stock that was characterized harshly in the financial press, who delight in writing obits early so they can say I told you so when it happens, whether it happens in 2 years or 200 years.

So if GC makes it or doesn't make it through this it won't be because of anything gear related. It's just the ugly part of finance referred to as "Vulture Capitalism".
 
Doesn't intrigue me in the least, the new Mesa compact gear is only slightly more expensive but comes from a much more reputable company that guarantees their products for 5 years. Not to mention the tone. I don't know what these will sound like, but the cheap rigs acoustic has been making under the guitar center helm really sound crumby, the only decent thing about them was the price.
 
I understand about Bain and Ares. I also think Guitar Center was a business the vultures didn't understand. Guitars are not like office supplies. I doubt they thought about that clearly. It's going to be interesting to see who would buy GC at this point. Bain loaded them with debt, mined them, and discarded the husk. It's what they do. Are held a large percentage of the debt, so now they are stuck with the husk. Are they as myopic about it as Bain? I don't know. GC should be worth something, since it is large and has buying power. Assuming it pays its bills. If it doesn't, then it will quickly lose its buying power. So it goes. It has been written off for years, but it is still here. It may not be able to sell Rickenbackers, for example, but I doubt Fender will cut off the supply.
 
It doesn't seem that they've really lightened things up that much. Certainly an improvement over the older stuff but the 410 and 115 cabinet are beat out by the Rumble cabs by at least 10 lbs. The 210 and the 112 cabinets are actually comparable to the rumble cabs in terms of weight. They really pooped the bed with the combos though. The 300 watt 115 and the 600 watt 210 are both around 60lbs as compared to the Rumbles which are 34 and 36.

No 212 cabinet either.
 
Looks like they put some good things in this new line.
Plywood, class-d, three year warranty.
Cabs seem to be heavier than they should be, so I expect they overbuild with thick ply. Which is probably fine to keep costs down. As long as they ditch the mdf.
Hope the quality is strong. And the LEDs can be turned off.
I think the price needs to be lower for a house brand. We'll see.
 
Doesn't intrigue me in the least, the new Mesa compact gear is only slightly more expensive but comes from a much more reputable company that guarantees their products for 5 years. Not to mention the tone. I don't know what these will sound like, but the cheap rigs acoustic has been making under the guitar center helm really sound crumby, the only decent thing about them was the price.

While I agree on the mesa point, I really do think that the previous acoustic gear sounded pretty good. More of a thumpy sound than anything else. The newer 112 cabinet, in this line, doesn't seem too bad either - though I'm more considering a PF112HLF, a fender rumble, or some DIY stuff when I get back home.
 
While I agree on the mesa point, I really do think that the previous acoustic gear sounded pretty good. More of a thumpy sound than anything else. The newer 112 cabinet, in this line, doesn't seem too bad either - though I'm more considering a PF112HLF, a fender rumble, or some DIY stuff when I get back home.
To each there own, but it I've played the acoustic b810 I borrowed from a friend for several weeks and the b115 on quite a few back lines and really thought they sounded clearly worse than even other budget stuff like peavey. Also played a b200h and was similarly unimpressed, perhaps it was the cabinet though.
 
I know a guy that swears by his 210 combo.
It dosen't seem to bother him that he has to replace it every 6-9 months.

The big 18 + horn Acoustics are made int eh US by folks that used to work for the original ACC.
A whole other company, with a different attitude and and goal.

The Acoustic Control Corp. stuff was certainly not budget gear. If this GC stuff with the Acoustic logo they bought helps keep the price of the real Acoustic stuff down on the used market, fine by me. :-)
 
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Just so you know, GC now has them on the floor.

And I will say that it should be tried before judged!!! I was really impressed by the sound and tonal flexibility of the amp. I played an Esenbaugh 5, an MM Stingray 4 and an Fender American P through the 600wt amp with the new 210 offering. It had the stank butt lows, the Eartha Kitt mids and tight highs that I've been looking for in the past without a bunch of tweaking. The eq is deflatable as well but has a low end and high boost for quick adjustments for thumpin' or some stank butt fingah funk.

Man I gotta say that I believe it CAN BE a real contender if given an unbiased shot. But I know in today's bass field, that's highly unlikely. As soon as I get rid of GAS.....
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FlatwoundFunk is exactly right. While everybody is commenting on the potential demise of GC, these guys are cranking out gear that is breathing fire.
I recommend that you grab your bass and head down to GC to test these cabs.
It might be a case of people judging the book by its cover. It is true however that so far the resurrected acoustic has put out gear that was more value oriented than cutting edge.

I had the pleasure of testing their new line-up of neo cabs and these guys have some serious gear here. I a/b'ed the Markbass New York 112 against the new Acoustic Neo BN112 which is only $399 and in my humble opinion the Acoustic wins here. They are on opposite end of the spectrum, the Markbass being warm, woolly and a little syrupy while the Acoustic neo is fast, direct modern sounding and a little cold. It's a more modern tone but this cab does this very, very well. It's the kind of tone that cuts through a mix nicely. In fact despite the lack of a fancy name and a fancy price this cab sounds like a boutique cab. I am impressed. It's a little larger than the Markbass and one pound heavier but it has the a Markbass center of gravity top handle, and some retractable handles on the side. Nice features. The horn has an on and off switch.

The rest of the line up is very good too. The 115 is huge in size and a little dark sounding but it delivers a nice blues and rock kind of tone. The 210 sounds great and hits hard. It's got a huge tone for a small cab. The 410 sounds very good too.

People love to get excited about the new $900 112 cab of the day but for once here is a cab, that's light, delivers great tone at great value.
It feels like Acoustic has invested some nice R&D in these cabs and they deliver! If one cab yield that much tone, two might be pretty devastating!

I have been looking for a 112 for a while and this cab is now on the top of my list.
 
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Ok. What am I missing? The 300 and the 600 amps have only one speakon connector. The speakers have only one speakon connector. Really? I'm going to build a rig with two bins and one speakon and one quarter-inch speaker cable? At least the photos on MF indicate this. Maybe I'm overlooking something. . .