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New Guy Needs Help With Japanese Basses

BASSically Awful

Backup Dancer for the Nobody Band Again
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Good Evening, Ladies and Gentlemen! This is my first ever post, even though I have been an avid follower of the shenanigans that go on here for awhile now. A little about myself... I am 42 and just started playing the bass with passion about 3 years ago. I take lessons, and I am very fond of my teacher. He has given me much more than any fee amount I give him for the lessons. I suffer from a few mental ailments: one being Severe OCD. It has litterally crippled major parts of my life, and sometimes it can reduce me to a smoldering invalid. The one thing I have found to give my mind temporary relief of my symptoms is playing the bass. So, if you reply, please be gentle! Some of you like to pound on each other! :) Here goes..... I would like to purchase a Japanese Fender. There are two sites I am looking at. Would someone here be able to tell me why the marked difference in price, even though, to my eye, the only thing that separates the two is the pickguard. Both are Red Fender Jazz Basses. I will try to attach a link to each one. The first one is roughly $450 USD, and the second shows as $700 USD. Many of you may ask, "Why Japanese?" Well, I already have two Japanese P Basses, both of the Steve Harris type. I also, basically, just have a huge fascination with their culture and the things they produce. If I have made an error here in protocol or in any other way, please let me know. I also suffer from a severe case of perfectionism, even though I rarely am. :laugh: So, I hate doing things wrong, even out of ignorance to new endeavors. I know there has been quite a bit made of users not searching old topics before starting a new/repeat discussion, but I felt an introduction of myself to you would be a good idea. I have zero connections in the music world, so I have a lot of questions. And I will ask for help, as it is the only way to learn! Thank you, and here are the links:
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P.S. The first link, the cheaper bass, makes no mention of it being "used". It does, however, specify "used" on other basses in their catalog. The second link does seem to mention the bass as "new" in a yellow highlight! AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!!!:)
 
Welcome! Really, loving Japanese items is fine (I have a few Matsumoku factory vintage Washburn basses which are superb), but I'd save the cash and get a regular Fender Jazz right here in USA, it will be just as good, save yourself some shipping $ and wait time, especially used. I am always very suspicious of wide price swings for the same item anyway. Plus, I prefer to actually try a bass out , in my hands, before I buy.
 
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Welcome! Really, loving Japanese items is fine (I have a few Matsumoku factory vintage Washburn basses which are superb), but I'd save the cash and get a regular Fender Jazz right here in USA, it will be just as good, save yourself some shipping $ and wait time, especially used. I am always very suspicious of wide price swings for the same item anyway. Plus, I prefer to actually try a bass out , in my hands, before I buy.
Thank you for your reply! Indeed, a much more sure bet would be to purchase a quality USA Jazz Bass here in the states. The fear of the unknown when buying overseas is a genuine and valid stressor! I appreciate your input, and, on a side note, your 1st Cav patch is quite an honorable "skin on the wall"! I served in the 2 A.D. for awhile at Ft. Hood, Texas. The 1st Cav is a proud unit, and deservedly so! Again, thank you!
 
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Thank you for your reply! Indeed, a much more sure bet would be to purchase a quality USA Jazz Bass here in the states. The fear of the unknown when buying overseas is a genuine and valid stressor! I appreciate your input, and, on a side note, your 1st Cav patch is quite an honorable "skin on the wall"! I served in the 2 A.D. for awhile at Ft. Hood, Texas. The 1st Cav is a proud unit, and deservedly so! Again, thank you!
And thank you as well! Good luck. Also you may want to look for a used Fender Geddy Lee jazz bass--just play it first to make sure that particular neck suits you.

And glad you are here on TB. Have a long and enjoyable relationship here and remember, not everything here in gospel, BUT we have some really knowledgeable players here in many areas of bassology.
 
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Greetings, B.A. and Welcome to TalkBass!

Do I think you could do wrong by getting either a Made In Japan (MIJ) or a Crafted In Japan (CIJ) bass? From what I've seen here on TB, as well as the three Fender Japan basses I own…the odds are very much in your favor. :thumbsup:

One thing to keep in mind…the contract between Fender Musical Instruments Corporation (FMIC) and Fender Japan expired/wasn't renewed quite recently. This might, perhaps already has, caused some to increase their prices, so beware of artificially inflated prices. However, I did not encounter this when I made a recent purchase from Ishibashi.

And speaking of Ishibashi, [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] Since they ship items to just about anywhere in the world, this site is in English (the modern-day Lingua Franca). Every instrument listed has two prices. The higher one in red is what you'd pay if you were in Japan, with all the appropriate taxes included. The lower amount is what you pay when purchasing from outside Japan. Shipping/handling/insurance can be pretty pricey (usually about $150), but at this particular time the value of the Yen vs. the U.S. Dollar is so different, you can get a decent, if not excellent, bass for about $400-$500 plus shipping.

Just out of curiosity, is there a particular model you're looking for? Because there is a Japanese-made bass that's regularly available in America. Specifically, it's a Fender Deluxe Aerodyne Jazz Bass, sometimes referred to as an Export-Edition Aerodyne. Basically, if it's all-black, doesn't have a pickguard and has a Stratocaster-style output jack, that's the one.

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I can't open the first link, but from the pricing, it looks like the cheaper one is in line with the used pricing of the bass (around $350 -$450 + shipping to the States) and the second one is similar to the pricing for a new one. You can see similar pricing examples of this on Ebay for MIJ Jazz basses shipped from Japan.
The used pricing varies according to condition, color and year so there seems to be quite a range of prices.
There are "demo" models that are placed pretty squarely in between these two price tiers. Basically used but kept on the shop floor etc.

Examples of pricing:-
New Fender Jazz Bass (this one is a bit cheaper, but in a different finish- usually a brand new one is $699 + shipping)
New Fender Japan JB Std Jazz Bass 3TS Brand New Made in Japan | eBay

Used Fender Jazz Bass
2010 12 Fender Japan Jazz Bass JB Std Car U Series Nice | eBay
 
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Greetings, B.A. and Welcome to TalkBass!

Do I think you could do wrong by getting either a Made In Japan (MIJ) or a Crafted In Japan (CIJ) bass? From what I've seen here on TB, as well as the three Fender Japan basses I own…the odds are very much in your favor. :thumbsup:

One thing to keep in mind…the contract between Fender Musical Instruments Corporation (FMIC) and Fender Japan expired/wasn't renewed quite recently. This might, perhaps already has, caused some to increase their prices, so beware of artificially inflated prices. However, I did not encounter this when I made a recent purchase from Ishibashi.

And speaking of Ishibashi, [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] Since they ship items to just about anywhere in the world, this site is in English (the modern-day Lingua Franca). Every instrument listed has two prices. The higher one in red is what you'd pay if you were in Japan, with all the appropriate taxes included. The lower amount is what you pay when purchasing from outside Japan. Shipping/handling/insurance can be pretty pricey (usually about $150), but at this particular time the value of the Yen vs. the U.S. Dollar is so different, you can get a decent, if not excellent, bass for about $400-$500 plus shipping. (e.g.: I got mine for $550 total, but the Yen just dropped even more. Getting it today would've been about $525.)

Just out of curiosity, is there a particular model you're looking for? Because there is a Japanese-made bass that's regularly available in America. Specifically, it's a Fender Deluxe Aerodyne Jazz Bass, sometimes referred to as an Export-Edition Aerodyne. Basically, if it's all-black, doesn't have a pickguard and has a Stratocaster-style output jack, that's the one.

FAJB.jpg
Thank you very much for your reply! I really appreciate it! Indeed, The pictured AJB is a real stunner. I do/did have only one hang up with it, but, like most things, it is probably "just in my head". The input jack for the cable..... do you have any issues with that? Both of my P Basses have it coming straight off the face on the body. This jack has a placement more in line with a regular six string guitar. Has that ever given you any issues? Another great thing about this AJB, just like you said, is that it can be had here directly from Fender's website! Again, thanks for your input! (Good pun!!:))
 
And thank you as well! Good luck. Also you may want to look for a used Fender Geddy Lee jazz bass--just play it first to make sure that particular neck suits you.

And glad you are here on TB. Have a long and enjoyable relationship here and remember, not everything here in gospel, BUT we have some really knowledgeable players here in many areas of bassology.
Yes, agreed! I have thought a used Geddy Lee might be an excellent idea. It is strange, but I do seem to struggle just a bit with the wider necks on my P Basses. My instructor tells me that his hands are smaller than mine, and he has just learned, over many years of playing, proper left hand, elbow, and wrist positioning will more than compensate for any lack of hand size when playing P Basses. And, also, I just received a letter in the mail threatening to take away my membership in the Official Steve Harris Fan Boy Club if I buy anything other than Steve's model. (Again, both of my P Basses are Steve's model) :laugh:
 
I can't open the first link, but from the pricing, it looks like the cheaper one is in line with the used pricing of the bass (around $350 -$450 + shipping to the States) and the second one is similar to the pricing for a new one. You can see similar pricing examples of this on Ebay for MIJ Jazz basses shipped from Japan.
The used pricing varies according to condition, color and year so there seems to be quite a range of prices.
There are "demo" models that are placed pretty squarely in between these two price tiers. Basically used but kept on the shop floor etc.

Examples of pricing:-
New Fender Jazz Bass (this one is a bit cheaper, but in a different finish- usually a brand new one is $699 + shipping)
New Fender Japan JB Std Jazz Bass 3TS Brand New Made in Japan | eBay

Used Fender Jazz Bass
2010 12 Fender Japan Jazz Bass JB Std Car U Series Nice | eBay

Ahhh, yes. Demo models are something I have not considered! That is an excellent point to ponder. Thank you for your reply!
 
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I own 4 basses, and all are MIJ. So, no worries there, :)

I agree that the shipping charges seem to be the difference in these two. Also agree that you would be well served by waiting and doing all the research possible. You'll learn some, and probably get a good deal down the line.
That's how my 4 MIJ basses cost me a total of $675. :)

Welcome to TB. :D
 
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I have ordered four basses directly from Japan, a used Warlock and Beast bass, and two new ones, a red Aerodyne with a black pickguard, and a Capri Orange P-bass, all through Isibashi. Their service is great, and to get them sent to Boston generally runs 14,000 Yen, which is currently around $112 (XE currency converter website for the win!) I ended up e-mailing the customer service department, and a few days later, they will get back to you with a price and a link to their secure payment site. Once payment is sent, they all arrived super fast... within a week or so.

The Beast arrived damaged, but that is the danger of the pointy bass! You can get some really great basses from Japan you can't get over here. It is a lot of fun.

The input jack for the cable..... do you have any issues with that? Both of my P Basses have it coming straight off the face on the body. This jack has a placement more in line with a regular six string guitar. Has that ever given you any issues?

The angled jack isn't bad... they have been using them on Strats for decades. It all depends on what you like. If you prefer a straight one, the Aerodynes with the pickguard I mentioned have them mounted to a control plate.
 
Thank you for your reply! Indeed, a much more sure bet would be to purchase a quality USA Jazz Bass here in the states. The fear of the unknown when buying overseas is a genuine and valid stressor! I appreciate your input, and, on a side note, your 1st Cav patch is quite an honorable "skin on the wall"! I served in the 2 A.D. for awhile at Ft. Hood, Texas. The 1st Cav is a proud unit, and deservedly so! Again, thank you!

Hey man, I just bought a bass from Japan and besides the 5 day ship time (which is not bad) it's pretty painless. I'd suggest checking out other Japanese brands too as many of the guys who made those Fenders are making amazing J basses in high end factories. The price is very competitive with American Fenders and the quality is a lot better IMO.

Just make sure whoever you buy from has a fair return policy, but I highly recommend getting something from overseas if you have the interest.
 
there are some pretty good Japanese basses- Bacchus, Tune - what I've noticed with them is the high level of quality. I have an older Riverhead bass, the craftsmanship is just amazing. You look inside the cavity or the neck pocket and even though it's something you don't readily see, it's all sanded down and not rough at all.
 
I contacted Ishibashi asking about 2 of their basses. They responded immediately. I dragged my feet and the basses that I want were sold. So what I'm saying is, I had a good experience communicating with Ishibashi, and still peruse their website looking for deals.

I think Ishibashi has a minimum item cost that you have to meet before they'll ship overseas. Their webpage says:

DEAR OUR OVERSEAS CUSTOMERS,


ISHIBASHI MUSIC IS NOW ABLE TO ACCEPT ORDERS FROM OVERSEAS
CUSTOMERS AS LONG AS YOUR MINIMUM AMOUNT OF ORDER IS 50,000 JPY.
FOR DETAILS, PLEASE VISIT THE "[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]" SECTION OF OUR WEB PAGE,
THANK YOU.


So make sure that what you want (from them) meets that minimum...and welcome to TalkBass!
 
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there are some pretty good Japanese basses- Bacchus, Tune - what I've noticed with them is the high level of quality. I have an older Riverhead bass, the craftsmanship is just amazing. You look inside the cavity or the neck pocket and even though it's something you don't readily see, it's all sanded down and not rough at all.

Yeah, I feel like the OP may like a Bacchus Jazz even more than an MIJ Fender to be quite honest. The tones are so full on these things , even the passive ones. Plus it has a serial mode, so you have a super J passive tone that is really nice.
 
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