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New Head: Valkyrie from Baer Amps... Thoughts?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Hollow Man, Feb 18, 2010.

  1. Hollow Man

    Hollow Man Supporting Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    Springfield, VA
    I first noticed Roger Baer's work while looking at pictures of Nordstrand basses from NAMM '10 (Roger and Carey shared a booth), and since then, I've been eagerly awaiting the completion of Roger's website to get more info. Well, the website is up, and his new amp looks pretty cool!


    400/700/900W into 8/4/2 ohms, two-band parametric mids, solid-state preamp with a blendable tube... nice specs on paper at least. I love my TF750, and the Valkyrie seems to be in the same vein in terms of size and performance.

    Did any of you who were at NAMM get a chance to hear it? Thoughts? Bowlus, where are you? I've emailed Roger for pricing and timeline to availability (quoted on the website as Summer '10).

    Additionally, Roger's got an 8-ohm 112 and a 4-ohm 212 in the works too; although I'm more interested in the Valkyrie, if anyone's got opinions on those, I'd welcome that as well.
  2. JimmyM


    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    bowlus gave one of baer's products bgm's "new product of the year" award. i have not seen them, but R is a guy i've had many pleasant conversations on here with, he's extremely knowledgeable, and i'm really looking forward to trying some of his stuff out.
  3. bongomania

    bongomania Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    I like the cosmetics of it. :)
  4. Mojo-Man

    Mojo-Man Supporting Member

    Feb 11, 2003

    This new Head.(Valkyrie, and 2x12 cab)
    Maybe be just what I'm looking for?
    Anyone play these?:hyper:
  5. That looks beautiful, and Roger is a top notch cat. I look forward to trying out one of these. That thing oozes 'top of the line' and 'handmade'.

    I like the 'variable deep' control a lot (like on the Glock and Carvin 'B' amps)... well though out EQ and great features.

    I hope I get to try one of these. I'm a micro amp guy, but I still have an old SKB two space rack here waiting for something that is worth the larger size and weight!
  6. Hollow Man

    Hollow Man Supporting Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    Springfield, VA
    This is one of the things that most intrigued me about it too. I wonder how it would balance with the Berg AE410, which as we all know, has a fairly tight (versus deep) low end.
  7. Matt Dean

    Matt Dean Supporting Member

    Jan 2, 2007
    SF (North) Bay Area
    Wow... I'm liking the looks of the Valkyrie. Any idea of it's price point?
  8. silky smoove

    silky smoove

    May 19, 2004
    Seattle, WA
    Looks super high quality. Can't wait to see how these lineup with other amps in the same price range and form factor.
  9. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    Fremont, Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    This head sounded great at the NAMM Show, as did Roger's cabs. The EQ is very well thought out, and extremely useful. The control over the low end is amazing, and you can really fine tune the high end detail as well. I also like the way he blends in a cascading tube circuit, which really does as good of a job as I think a single knob control can do of literally "dialing in" some nice tube tone.

    Power-wise, it seemed very stout, and the case is very attractive. The weight is not unreasonable at all. I was mentioning on the way out to NAMM that we have these two trends in bass amps right now. One, is the "smaller/lighter" race, and the other is the resurgence of all-tube heads. One interesting side to this is how those two movements are almost entirely opposite of each other. But the other side of the coin is that people seem to be forgetting about the meat of the market, which is still made up of class-AB heads using conventional power supplies. Roger took this format and really tweaked the heck out of it.

    Obviously (based upon our award), we really like the NAMM prototype. I can't wait to get my hands on a production model! I've already warned Roger that if he sends us one for review, he should pretty much just plan on me buying it when we are all done. :D
  10. Hollow Man

    Hollow Man Supporting Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    Springfield, VA
    Nope (at least, not me). It's not on the website, and I've emailed Roger about that (among other things) and have not heard back. I only emailed last night, and I'm confident he'll reply in due course.

    This sounds great! Certainly an attractive description.

    I agree that the Class A/B, medium-weight heads seem to be a forgotten market. The micro heads are quite nice (MarkBass, TecAmp, etc) and the lust for vintage designs will be around forever, but I think the Thunderfunk/Valkyrie style of amp is still very viable while not falling under the all-tube-vintage or micro monikers.

    Y'know Tom, from anyone else, this might be a compliment, but for you, it's almost par for the course!
  11. koobie


    Jul 11, 2007
    Portland OR
    The Baer looks like a nice amp, wish I'd checked it out at NAMM. Two over-lapping mid bands really helps sculpt whatever tones float your boat. What's the likely target price for this amp? Is the variable deep at all like the variable loudness control on some hi-fi gear? I'm interested to hear their reasoning behind using a class A/B output section. Do they think it sounds better or is more reliable/more field serviceable than other amp topologies? If the price is reasonable, I'd like to see them build a preamp-only version of this amp.
  12. reddi


    Jan 7, 2010
    Looks great. Does anyone know the price?
  13. UncleBalsamic


    Jul 8, 2007
    Really cool specs. I can't wait to see how this turns out!
  14. basmartin


    Aug 6, 2007
  15. That is one good looking piece of gear!!
  16. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    When I played the prototype head, Roger was tweaking a few
    eq points using lots of player input. The thing that impressed
    me wasn't how well the eq worked as much as how good the
    amp sounded flat. I think this head will make a lot of players
    happy. Roger may have nailed the eq points.
    The 1x12 boxes sounded very nice too, and are covered in
    5 inch plated armour. (sort of) BUT!!!!!!

    The thing that got me was the distortion. WONDERFUL!!!!!
    I'm not big on using distortion, but I'd find some way to use
    Roger's distortion. Very well thought out.
  17. brandtb


    Aug 27, 2008
    Raleigh, NC
    Hmmm....my thoughts on the Valkyrie?

    Let me channel Elmer Fudd...maestro, please cue up "Ride of the Valkyries? Ahem....

    "Kill the Wabbit, Kill the Wabbit, Kill The Wabbit"....

    ...and now back to our regularly scheduled discussion...thanks for indulging me.
  18. R Baer

    R Baer Commercial User

    Jun 5, 2008
    President, Baer Amplification
    There were quite a few reasons behind our choice of power section. Above all, we realize that our first amplifier is going to forever establish the sonic signature of what a Baer amplifier sounds like and we agreed early on not to put a weight restriction on that. We also planned from day one that the Valkyrie would be 2ohm capable. After trying numerous amp topologies with our preamp, our engineers came up with a class A/B that gave us exactly what we were looking for. This isn't to say that we feel class A/B is superior to the other topologies out there. We simply felt that it was the best choice for this project. We have every intention of offering a more diverse product line up as soon as we are able to do so.
  19. kobass

    kobass Supporting Member

    Nov 3, 2003
    Outside Boston
    Looks very impressive!

    Where are you guys located?
  20. R Baer

    R Baer Commercial User

    Jun 5, 2008
    President, Baer Amplification
    Thanks. We are located in Palmdale, CA. About an hour north of Los Angeles.