• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join freeLog in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

New TC Elec. BH550 & 800

spiteful crap... lies and more lies... losers. Don't bother replying as I won't be watching.

I shouldn't nourish the troll, but.....


Lies? The only lies told regarding this subject come from the TC marketing dept, period. I own a TC BH800 and a BG 208 combo. I like them, and the fact that I bought them clearly means I am not a "hater". However I do not like the fact that they claim that RH heads which bench test (clearly, objectively and unarguably) at <250 watts are over 500 watts.
You are welcome to state your opinions about TC gear, but the ragging on others because of their take on it is unwarranted and, frankly, pathetic....oh....but you're not watching :)
 
Last edited:
I logged into this thread to find out about the new TC amps and found the same old spiteful crap I saw last year.
People banging on and on about stated power ratings and technical specs, lies and more lies.
Seems to be the same few people too who just statre bad things and not much else.
On the other hand, you get musicians who love the TC stuff and use case examples to say how good the stuff is.

A shame as there are 2 sets of losers here; TC who lose out on sales and the hate merchants who lose out on great amps.

I've given up looking here for a fair assessment of the 550 amp, I'll look elsewhere.
My experience?
I had an Eden 320w which couldn't cut what I needed as it was to often set at 9/10 volume and struggling.
The RH450 hasn't been above 12 o'clock in a year.
I have no idea what that says "technically".
To my mind, it says that the RH450 is at least 40% louder than a 320w Eden.
Over and out. Don't bother replying as I won't be watching.

Exactly.

I really don't understand this TC bashing, since all other amps that i've used, had the same king of bad power rating" than my old rh450 = 600 watts genz benz = 500 puma = 450 MB, etc etc (and it was more than enough to play everywhere.....).
 
I just traded my well loved RH450 in for the BH800. I like the more open top end and more oomph this amp brings to the table. I tried the tone prints- they're okay, but I'm probably just going to stick with my pedals (used infrequently).

So here is a question for you -- what do the new BH "tone print" heads offer over the RH450?

I know a bunch of people who like the RH heads a lot and they seem like a great deal right now. So why not buy an RH450? (I am indeed a geeky person, comfortable with software, and thus....) Will there be features in the BH heads that will make them worth the extra expense?

Thanks.
 
So here is a question for you -- what do the new BH "tone print" heads offer over the RH450?

I know a bunch of people who like the RH heads a lot and they seem like a great deal right now. So why not buy an RH450? (I am indeed a geeky person, comfortable with software, and thus....) Will there be features in the BH heads that will make them worth the extra expense?

Thanks.


I can give you the one best reason. REAL POWER. People can say the RH heads are loud enough all they want, but I knew the first time I took my RH450(and the RH750) on a gig there was no way that head had the power TC was claiming. My Bergs laughed at the 236 watts the RH450 was trying to push them with. The 800 watts of my BH800 is no voodoo like the RH heads. I also like the EQ on the BH heads MUCH better than the RH.
 
So I am intersted in maybe having Santa Clause (there's only 135 shopping days left) bring me a BH.
I glanced through this thread and noticed a lot of comments about power ratings vs real power.
So we have several flavors of power... Peak, Average, RMS, Music power and even Instantaneous Music Peak!
Its OK to listen to two amps and say you think one sounds more powerful, or that this or that 300 watt amp does not sound like 300 watts. You are all entitled to your opinions and I have found a lot of good ones here in TB land, and I thank each and every one of you. But if you are going to bash an amp's power based on "it sounds like", then IMHO, your objectiveness rating will tumble a few points.

The only objective way to measure the power of an amp is to use a signal generator to feed a sine wave to the amp.
The load can be a speaker, but preferably it should be a pure resistive load, speakers have a lot of inductance.
A resistive load should present a constant impedance 4 ohms, 8 ohms or whatever to the amp across the audio spectrum. A speaker will not. With a speaker, to measure power, you must use the speakers resonant frequency only. As you move away from resonance, where the speaker impedance is determined, the speaker's impedence changes drastically, and we all know that most amps are rated for max power with a nominal load of 4 or 8 or whatever ohms. With a resitive load of say 4 ohms, you get a 4 ohm load regardless of frequency.
So measure using a sine wave into a resistive load value as stated in the manufacturers specs with a voltmeter of known accuracy, do the math, and get a power reading.
Now feed the same tone to you favorite amp and compare the power readings.
If two amps rated at the same power are significantly different, then let the bashing begin.
But only hit hard if your test setup and conditions are the same as at the factory.

Dear Santa...
 
Last edited:
Hello,

I seriously consider dumping my Hartke 3500 (hate the preamps) and switching it for the BH800 to drive PA and my 4x10 hartke cab.

My plan is to go minimalistic - try to reduce pedals and stick to the head as a "swiss army" solution.

My questions are:

is the tuner on the head reliable and accurate for a 5 string bass ? Would you trust it as an only tuning device on stage ?
Are the drive / fuzz tone prints usable and not noisy ? Those are the only one I'm after, really (I need a Fuzz one)

Thanks in advance for the replies.
 
I had the same thought process at the beginning of the year. I wanted to eliminate my pedalboard. I picked up a used BH800 and it has some things I like and things I don't. The tuner IMO is very accurate. The effects are up and down. Some of the drives escalate in volume way too much. They sound good but you'll have to adjust. The octaves and the chorus sounds are pretty good. Overall I think it's a good amp. In comparison I tried out the Markbass Multiamp which again IMO is phenomenal. Not only is the tuner very accurate but you can adjust the effects you like and program to your liking. The quantity of effects and sounds you have to play with is amazing. I wound up keeping the Markbass but I still use the TC for home practice. I would say your idea of eliminating the pedal board is a good one. Try the TC out and if it can do what you want it to then your set. If your not happy I would try the Markbass Multiamp. I know there is a huge price difference but after I sold the amp I was using and all of my pedals and the board it was only a couple hundred dollar swing. That's a call only you can make.
 
Been looking around for small amp for backup and times where I don't feel like dealing with the bigger amps (which really aren't that big). The bh800 was $450 after tax on Amazon last week so I'm giving it a try. Checks off these boxes:
  • Relatively inexpensive
  • Fits nicely on my small cab
  • Small and light
  • Aux in/headphone for practice
  • Simple controls
  • Hopefully powerful enough with two 12/3's for my semi loud trio
  • 3 year warranty
The tuner is handy. Jury's out on the toneprints. Went to download the app and all the reviews say the latest update doesn't work. But I didn't really plan on using them anyway.

Sounds good with one cab in the basement. Hope to try it on a gig soon.

image.jpeg