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New Tobias Basses?

Hello My fello Bass Players! Looking at buying A new Tobias Bass guitar..The {Tobias killer B bass 6 string Walnut body} do or anyone know about this Bass?,A lot of talk on the web about the gibson era! and stuff..look i know its no longer custom made by Mike Tobias...But is this bass good or not? Would like to here from someone who has or has played this Bass the walnut body bass, This is the killer B Bass 6 string walnut body :confused:
 
i havnt played a killer b 6, but ive played a few 5's and a few 4's. im not a fan, especially for the new pricetag. you can find them on the talkbas classifieds occasionally for around 1200 or so...not bad at that price for a decent quality 6er.
 
The Tobias basses Gibson is now making (in Arkansas) have been the subject of a lot of ferocious subjectivity. Being a subjective fan of them (I own two of them, and will probably buy another, and my Tobias Basic is the best bass I've ever played anywhere at any price), I've come to the conclusion that IF you've been playing for a while but somehow never heard of these, you'll be blown away.

But you'd also be a rare bird. Most people here "know" that Gibson wrecked Mike Tobias's basses and smeared his reputation, that their build quality is spotty, their basses might be excellent but might be awful, they're overpriced, etc. And it has been my lifelong experience (and I've been a musician for 60 years) that nobody has ever made any instrument of any kind, so fantastic that someone who expects crap won't hear crap when they play it.

Now, the upside to this is, you can get yourself a bass worth $2500 in build and playing quality for maybe $1000 if you keep a sharp eye on ebay or other used bass outlets. The downside to this is, any "knowledgeable" bass player will think you sound terrific until he sees, up close, that it's a Gibson Tobias, after which he'll tell you how you got ripped off and should go get yourself something decent!

Your choice. If you're in the minority that plays bass, you'll be delighted. If you're in the majority that hears reputation rather than sound, stay away. People will look down on you.
 
I own a four string Killer B, and think it is one of the finest basses I have played. I unfortunately have not had the chance to play extremely high end instruments, so I can not speak for those. But in it's price range, my Tobias will stand with any Warwick or higher end Fender product I have played. I own a 1994 Warwick Thumb, and think the Tobias is superior in all aspects. Of course this is all subjective, YMMV. I have heard that some think their build quality is spotty, but I haven't played a ton of them so that is hard to comment on.
 
I have owned a Tobias in the past. I had a early 90s Killer B-5 and the bass was built well and sounded great. I have seen some fine Tobias basses and I have seen some lemons where the control covers were not cut right and the neck pocket wasn't tight. If it were me, I wouldn't buy new. Like stated in other post, keep your eye out for a used one where someone else has already taken the depreciation hit. I have seen some beautiful 5 & 6 strings go $800 - $1200.

I would probably own one now if it weren't for the fact that I fell in love with Roscoe Basses.
 
I've only been able to try the new Killer B and Growler basses. I wouldn't mind 'em as a 4 string, but the ones I tried had horrible B strings. I personally can't afford buying one and trying to do all sorts of things to hope the B improves. The price of the neckthrough ones is a bit intense for something that's not being custom made for you.
 
The Tobias basses Gibson is now making (in Arkansas) have been the subject of a lot of ferocious subjectivity. Being a subjective fan of them (I own two of them, and will probably buy another, and my Tobias Basic is the best bass I've ever played anywhere at any price), I've come to the conclusion that IF you've been playing for a while but somehow never heard of these, you'll be blown away.

But you'd also be a rare bird. Most people here "know" that Gibson wrecked Mike Tobias's basses and smeared his reputation, that their build quality is spotty, their basses might be excellent but might be awful, they're overpriced, etc. And it has been my lifelong experience (and I've been a musician for 60 years) that nobody has ever made any instrument of any kind, so fantastic that someone who expects crap won't hear crap when they play it.

Now, the upside to this is, you can get yourself a bass worth $2500 in build and playing quality for maybe $1000 if you keep a sharp eye on ebay or other used bass outlets. The downside to this is, any "knowledgeable" bass player will think you sound terrific until he sees, up close, that it's a Gibson Tobias, after which he'll tell you how you got ripped off and should go get yourself something decent!

Your choice. If you're in the minority that plays bass, you'll be delighted. If you're in the majority that hears reputation rather than sound, stay away. People will look down on you.
That's one of the most insightful and eloquent posts I've ever read. If there was a Pulitzer for posts, you'd have my nomination.
 
Just get an MTD

I have to disagree.
An MTD is a very different instrument. It's a great instrument, and it may be what you want, but it will have a very different feel and sound.

If you like the feel and sound of the Killer B, go for that.
If you're not sure, try an MTD and see what the fuss is about. They're nice instruments.

BTW, there's a Tobias walnut Killer B 6 string on the TB classifieds right now. I'm not affiliated in any way...
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447648&highlight=tobias
 
I own:

'90's Tobias Renegade (custom painted now)
'06 Tobias Growler 4-string (sold to a friend)
'06 Tobias Killer B 5-string
'07 Tobias Classic 5-string spalt maple

They all are well made, sound great, and feel great to play. The Tobias shop is very small (around 10 employees) and are hand made. They made some with issues while back when Gibson took over but since ~10,000 serial - now are pretty darn nice from what I've seen.
 
The Tobias basses Gibson is now making (in Arkansas) have been the subject of a lot of ferocious subjectivity. Being a subjective fan of them (I own two of them, and will probably buy another, and my Tobias Basic is the best bass I've ever played anywhere at any price), I've come to the conclusion that IF you've been playing for a while but somehow never heard of these, you'll be blown away.

But you'd also be a rare bird. Most people here "know" that Gibson wrecked Mike Tobias's basses and smeared his reputation, that their build quality is spotty, their basses might be excellent but might be awful, they're overpriced, etc. And it has been my lifelong experience (and I've been a musician for 60 years) that nobody has ever made any instrument of any kind, so fantastic that someone who expects crap won't hear crap when they play it.

Now, the upside to this is, you can get yourself a bass worth $2500 in build and playing quality for maybe $1000 if you keep a sharp eye on ebay or other used bass outlets. The downside to this is, any "knowledgeable" bass player will think you sound terrific until he sees, up close, that it's a Gibson Tobias, after which he'll tell you how you got ripped off and should go get yourself something decent!

If you're in the minority that plays bass, you'll be delighted. If you're in the majority that hears reputation rather than sound, stay away. People will look down on you.

Nothing personal, Flintc, and correct me if I'm mistaken here, but your post presupposes that some of those who "know" that Gibson's Tobias facsimiles don't measure up to Mike's instruments must be basing that opinion on anecdotes and prejudice rather than open-minded first-hand experience. My first (sadly unfavorable) experience with several Gibsons came before I knew that Mike had sold out the design. My first thought being "what the hell is going on here?"

I've played around two-dozen pre-Gibsons (I own an early "Classic") and a number of "high-end" Gibson Tobias basses (Basics, Classics, and Sigs) from different production periods. Aside from basic design similarities, they really are very different beasts. The basses made by Mike and his crew have a warm, dark, smokey tone, and possess a very characteristic compressed woody/organic low-midrange bark that I find quite unique. They also demonstrate consistent attention to subtle build details, and fit and finish that surpass the Gibson basses in my experience.

The Gibsons I've played sounded big, modern, punchy, and clear, but I found the tone a little nondescript and perhaps a bit sterile. I doubt that I could pick one out of a recording lineup, whereas the distinctive pre-Gibson tone would be pretty hard to miss. Tobias employee Rawn Randall told me that, the beginning with the Burbank-era, the Bart pickups had a lot more top end and less of that smoky midrange growl, so that's probably part of the difference I've heard, but I think it may run deeper than the electronics.

FWIW, one of the Gibsons I tried two years ago - a "Classic" with a beautiful Bubinga top - had some serious quality control issues; the fretboard wood looked dried-out, around a quarter of the frets had protruding sharp edges, and the truss-rod cavity had so much excess finish build-up on the truss-rod bolts that the owner had to have it professionally cleaned out before the neck could be properly adjusted; nothing subjective about it.


To the OP: there are some great deals to be had on used Gibson Tobias basses, as their reputation, deserved or not, precludes them from holding their value or appreciating like the pre-Gibs. If you like a particular bass, I wouldn't be at all concerned with their ill repute - Gibson made some pretty decent Tobias basses - but I certainly wouldn't buy one unplayed without a return option. If it were me, I'd look for something built by Mike Tobias; a pre-Gibson (thelowend.net currently has one for sale) or an MTD USA. The MTDs are a whole different ball o' wax, though the quality is reliably top-notch either way.
 
No, I wouldn't say you are mistaken. I haven't done anything like a comprehensive and detailed comparison, and reputations are almost invariably based on very limited sampling. Which can be deadly (as any name luthier is well aware) if even a very few lemons reach the public. Word gets around, and negative word gets around very fast.

But I'm really not talking here about the pre-Gibson instruments. I don't dispute that those were different in distinctive qualitative ways. What I dispute is that the current Gibson production is putting out basses of questionable quality.

I do believe that some of the trashing I've seen of Gibson's Tobias basses is by people who have never actually tried one, and some is by people so convinced they'd be bad, that sure enough they found them to be bad. Not very open minded.

The six-string I ordered from the factory, like almost any new instrument built in small quantities, required a bit of aging. And that initial (6-month or so) aging period seems critical for any instrument, since any movement in the wood must be carefully countered. After 6 months, every fret extended past the (shrinking) fretboard and was sharp. I had the frets dressed at that point, and have never had a problem since.

And yes, fretboards do dry out. Any store can sell you fretboard-restorer; this is pretty standard. I believe that if someone at Gibson was put in charge of final quality inspection, some "not my job" practices would damn well become someone's job, and Gibson's apparent willingness to ship basses with serious problems would be reversed.

Like quite a few people here, I've seen some pretty damn poor Gibson Tobias instruments, to the point of unplayable and beyond repair. I strongly agree with you about the return option. My contention based on my experiences is that the new basses are rarely lemons, usually fully worth what Gibson is asking, and I personally wouldn't hesitate to order a new one. WITH a return option!

(And I must say that the sound is subjective any way you look at it. I think your description of pre and post Gibson sound is quite accurate. I just happen to like the new sound. And I think history works against clarity here. The basses Mike Tobias presonally has made, during any period, are distinctly different from and NOT Gibsons. If benjamin1 is not looking for a Gibson, then there's a very wide world of excellent expensive basses out there. Mike is just one of many people competing in that arena.)
 
I just stumbled across this thread. I bought a new Basic 5 (swamp ash body) last year and I have to say the overall quality, feel, setup etc. on this bass is great. Maybe I got lucky since I bought this bass blind but it has worked out fine for me. No issues to speak of and the whole spectrum of sounds from this bass is superb. My .02
 
I sold my 5 strong Killer B (mahogany) to buy a 5 string Tobias Basic (bubinga). I loved my Killer B and I really like my Basic as well. :) These are quality instruments.

I'm saddened to see, however, that recently these beasts have sold for very little on E-bay, probably in part b/c of the somewhat hard times people are going through financially...people are just not willing to spend a lot of money on a non-essential items such as an instrument...unless of course they have tons of money, but generally speaking, the current economic condition has surely affected the "avg musician" that can't afford to pay that much, and with lower demand, we of course see lower prices. If I had waited all but 4-5 months, I could have spent $500 less on my Basic...but then again, I probably wouldn't have been able to sell my Killer B for the price I did.
 
Last Friday, I was at Fullers Vintage Guitar in Houston running a taste test on every Tobias they had on the wall, somewhere between 8 and 12 instruments - 4,5, and 6 string. Killer B's, Growlers. Initially, I set all controls flat (mid indent) w/ full volume through a Fender Combo also set flat.

Very nice instruments, very playable, but overpriced IMHO. I didn't bother with the price tags, since I didn't see anything I had to have. $1600 was the mean price, if I remember correctly.

What suprised me was the volume, tone and resonance variation between identical instruments. My subjective opinion.