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New: Zoom B3n Multi-Effects

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jimfist said:
The SVT is my go-to amp/cab combination, and it is capable of getting plenty of those "cut through the mix" frequencies. To qualify the sound I go for, I have roundwounds (D'Addario XL) and will "dig in" with my playing, whether it be pick or fingers.

Try setting the SVT with the ULTRA setting on BOTH. Then I set the Tone as follows: Bass -1; Middle +12; Mid Freq 1.2k; Treble -1. Play with the Mid freq and amount of boost to taste. This should give you quite a bit of upper mid presence - maybe perhaps too much for what you want, but I've always been a fan of those bass sounds that really cut a mix, like Chris Squire and other prog/metal players. But this also works well if you want to back off your bass instrument treble (and/or mid) controls, too, so that your tone doesn't become a pile of mud when you need to take the edge off the sound.

I open up the Gain so that there is just a little distortion to the sound, which also helps give the tone some edge. With the cab sim, I pump up the SM57 as it is a brighter mic, and leave the RE20 down around 20 or 30 because it is typically used for low end enhancement/proximity rather than cut-through-the-mix.

See what you think, and don't be afraid to get drastic with some of these settings.

I've owned the AxeFxII and played through their amp model version of the SVT (SV-Bass) and IMHO the better quality of the new Zoom amp algorithms makes the B3n a much more satisfying experience in replicating SVT sounds I'm familiar with, but without jumping through hoops to get there. I find the B3n really easy to dial in. I'm a huge fan of the AxeFxII and it's a stellar piece of gear with much more depth and detail across the board vs. Zoom products....but the B3n is impressive and has significantly closed the gap for bass modeling now. JMHO. YMMV.
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My vote for best SVT amp and cab sims to-date go to the B3n!

I cannot wait to hear Zoom's new B-15 models (TBA) ;)
 
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FOMO is "Fear Of Missing Out" I was worried that I would not have this crucial piece of info with which to understand parts of this thread that pertained to Amp/Cab simulations. A scary thought!

I am in Canada waiting for my B3n which I pre-ordered almost a month ago. I do have a B3 and am wondering whether to keep it or maybe even trade it on a 2nd B3n. Wouldn't do that until I checked out the first B3n though. I know that the B3 has other capabilities too, and will weigh the options.

Thanks Charlie and others for your ground-breaking info and perceptions!
Robert
 
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CharlieC said:
My vote for best SVT amp and cab sims to-date go to the B3n!

I cannot wait to hear Zoom's new B-15 models (TBA) ;)
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Yes, that and the GK800RB and Hartke 4x10 are on my list, as well as a Marshall Major, and the Acoustic 320 Amp + 408 Cab (instant Thin Lizzy with a P-Bass). With those additions I could be happy for a long time provided Zoom is able to nail their signature trademark tones.
 
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CharlieC said:
To players who run amp-less, use FRFR cabinets/monitors, use IEMs, or go direct to mixing board, I highly-recommend the B3n! :thumbsup:
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I'd like to ask as many people as p[ossible to tell me how they're running/will be running theirs... Through FRFR (and which)? Through studio monitors (and which)? Through the front of an amp (and which)? Through the return of an amp (and which)? In the FX loop of an amp (and which)? Some other solution, and specifics, IE headphones and which?

Thanks! :D
 
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CharlieC said:
Tip: To those players using the cabinet sims, put your Modulation, Delay, and Reverbs AFTER the cabinet! This is how it is typically done in the studio and it sounds amazing (provided you are monitoring FRFR.) :thumbsup:
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What actual difference does it make having them before and after the cab? I was trying to figure this oput with the G5n played in the front of a clean guitar amp and couldn't really figure out what was changing... As much detail (and talking to me like I'm dumb) as possible would be appreciated as this has stumped me, I had concluded that it doesn't make a difference, but if it really does I'd love to know so I can listen out for it and figure out what I'm doing! :) Thanks!
 
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FuzzFacetious said:
I'd like to ask as many people as p[ossible to tell me how they're running/will be running theirs... Through FRFR (and which)? Through studio monitors (and which)? Through the front of an amp (and which)? Through the return of an amp (and which)? In the FX loop of an amp (and which)? Some other solution, and specifics, IE headphones and which?

Thanks! :D
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Mine will also go through a Quilter BB800 into my FRFR TKS 1126 cab(s).

I won't be using the Boss LS2 though.

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FuzzFacetious said:
What actual difference does it make having them before and after the cab? I was trying to figure this oput with the G5n played in the front of a clean guitar amp and couldn't really figure out what was changing... As much detail (and talking to me like I'm dumb) as possible would be appreciated as this has stumped me, I had concluded that it doesn't make a difference, but if it really does I'd love to know so I can listen out for it and figure out what I'm doing! :) Thanks!
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The cabinet sim is a filter and the effects I mentioned perform more and better if not having been filtered (i.e. after the filter), but as always, YMMV.
 
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FuzzFacetious said:
I'd like to ask as many people as p[ossible to tell me how they're running/will be running theirs... Through FRFR (and which)? Through studio monitors (and which)? Through the front of an amp (and which)? Through the return of an amp (and which)? In the FX loop of an amp (and which)? Some other solution, and specifics, IE headphones and which?

Thanks! :D
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For low-volume pub/restaurant duo gigs, I'll be using the B3n directly into a mixer feeding Full Range PA cabinets of various types (popular names and models) depending on the act. My personal small format PA cabinets would be Atomic CLR 12" coaxials (active). When I craft tones, I generally use the CLR active straight off the pedal, cranked up fairly loud. I find this translates well generally across all formats (loud or soft).

For full rock band gigs, I have the following:

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The XLR Direct Out feed from the GK head (set to PRE preamp, so it sees what comes in at the input) goes to FOH, and I set the tone for the GK to be very clean and as neutral as possible on stage. I've found that it's necessary to have some sort of post EQ to accommodate the needs of the stage separate from the FOH feed. The B3 will be replaced by the B3n, and using passive CLR cabinet(s) rather than the active CLR.

On the odd occasion I find myself not needing much in the way of effects (for a quick opening set) I may leave out the G5n and Divaricator altogether. IMO the B3n's SCROLL feature allows for reasonable - but not ideal - movement across the stomps programmed on the pedal board, if just for a few basic effects (overdrive, pitch shift chorus, etc.).
 
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jimfist said:
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For low-volume pub/restaurant duo gigs, I'll be using the B3n directly into a mixer feeding Full Range PA cabinets of various types (popular names and models) depending on the act. My personal small format PA cabinets would be Atomic CLR 12" coaxials (active). When I craft tones, I generally use the CLR active straight off the pedal, cranked up fairly loud. I find this translates well generally across all formats (loud or soft).

For full rock band gigs, I have the following:

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The XLR Direct Out feed from the GK head (set to PRE preamp, so it sees what comes in at the input) goes to FOH, and I set the tone for the GK to be very clean and as neutral as possible on stage. I've found that it's necessary to have some sort of post EQ to accommodate the needs of the stage separate from the FOH feed. The B3 will be replaced by the B3n, and using passive CLR cabinet(s) rather than the active CLR.

On the odd occasion I find myself not needing much in the way of effects (for a quick opening set) I may leave out the G5n and Divaricator altogether. IMO the B3n's SCROLL feature allows for reasonable - but not ideal - movement across the stomps programmed on the pedal board, if just for a few basic effects (overdrive, pitch shift chorus, etc.).
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Well done, @jimfist ! \m/
 

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