I've managed to find something on the B3n that causes tone suck.
It's the "off" switch. Sucked ALL my tone
It's the "off" switch. Sucked ALL my tone
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New: Zoom B3n Multi-Effects
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Salud!
Mine is set, ready to rumble...
Mine is set, ready to rumble...
I know this is different from the whine issue I've been fighting and recently won, but I have a similar setup without the whine you're describing. My tuner and B3n are powered separately as described here and when I'm at home my B3n's output goes into my B3, just so I can record from the B3n into my computer. The B3 sends its analog signal to my MicroMark and gets power from a USB hub, 20 feet from my computer. No whine in my amp or in my recordings (example). Both the B3 and the B3n are connected to the same USB hub.
Not sure this helps except to assert that it is possible to live a life free from whine!
Thanks for telling. But it seems to me you are using a different setup, since you describe in the referenced contribution that you use a battery to power the B3n and that you use the B3 only for recording. Thus it might be that our systems differ in terms of powering. My board on which I have the B3 with the whine looks like this overview and is wired as shown here Wiring diagram. I use a 1 SPOT® Power Supply to power the entire as described here with several devices. BTW, there is no ground loop, since I use the 1 SPOT® Power Supply on the same power outlet as the overview, including the Mac and the involved USB hubs power supply. The unbalanced (mono) output of the B3 goes to a patch bay (passive, Wiring diagram) and from there to my Invalid Link Removed audio interface. The latter is connected to my Invalid Link Removed via firewire (firewire hub, powered via its own power supply). The very annoying whine starts as soon as I plug the USB cable into the B3 and I found so far no remedy to avoid that whine except disconnecting the B3 from the USB cable.
Have you made sure all settings are optimal? Unity gain ensured in the B3? No impedance issue? Is the fretless passive? If yes, have you tried using going through a high quality DI first before the B3? Does the loss really still persist?
What's the signal chain exactly? Is it bass -> tuner -> B3n -> DI -> ? (XLR out to power amp?)
Salud!
Yes, bass -> tuner (I want/need a fast mute) -> Zoom -> DI. At home and with the regular band, DI's thru to monitor amp and DI's XLR to the patchbay-FOH. When playing Rocky Horror Show (in ear monitoring), DI's XLR to FOH and DI's thru to a PowerPlay (Invalid Link Removed) input, so I can balance it with the general mix.
I started using battery packs because I had severe hum problems with the lightning circuits (and could not always plug into a different circuit), and now I'm sold. Love it.
Yes, bass -> tuner (I want/need a fast mute) -> Zoom -> DI. At home and with the regular band, DI's thru to monitor amp and DI's XLR to the patchbay-FOH. When playing Rocky Horror Show (in ear monitoring), DI's XLR to FOH and DI's thru to a PowerPlay (Invalid Link Removed) input, so I can balance it with the general mix.
I started using battery packs because I had severe hum problems with the lightning circuits (and could not always plug into a different circuit), and now I'm sold. Love it.
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In all fairness, the B1on sells for less than $50 USD and shortcomings such as this do exist and should not be surprising.
Should these same shortcomings not be noticed, consider this an envious state of bliss.
I must have a B1on "Gold Edition" then as I've just tried it through both a Rumble 40 practice amp and a very clean & transparent PA with a sub and tops and both sound great, bypassed or not.
State of bliss for me then
Maybe it's the power supply. When I used to run it on batteries I wasn't that impressed (some strange artefacts on some effects), but I'm currently using a USB power supply and it sounds great.
If the B3n is better than this then i'm expecting very great things indeed!
State of bliss for me then
Maybe it's the power supply. When I used to run it on batteries I wasn't that impressed (some strange artefacts on some effects), but I'm currently using a USB power supply and it sounds great.
If the B3n is better than this then i'm expecting very great things indeed!
Couldn't take it any more. Stopped by Guitar Center on the way home and applied for my membership card. Should be here in a few days. And I'm supposed to get forty "GC bucks" around the end of May and a whole two weeks in June to spend them before they turn to pumpkins. Looking forward to enjoying the new Zoom box first rather than second hand, although you all have done a fine job of letting us bask in the glow of your joy!
Here is a question.
Could cab sim be added to the patch without adding amp head unit? It will sound better if there is a cab sim after MXR bass di or Darkglass B7K because of the sound of distortion channel.
Could cab sim be added to the patch without adding amp head unit? It will sound better if there is a cab sim after MXR bass di or Darkglass B7K because of the sound of distortion channel.
So in considering an uber set up I have just created a patch labelled #2. This would be the 2nd B3n and would handle amp and cabinet sims. To start with I have this chain:
SVT Sim>Bass Pre>Splitter>LM 76>8x10 Cab Sim>Pedal Volume (Controlled by an expression pedal)
The Bass Pre has a large treble and bass boost with a slight mid cut. This is for instant slap happiness.
The Splitter has a large bass boost and moderate highs. This is for instant reggae goodness.
The LM 76 is set to limit mode, (20:1 gain reduction) to counter extremes in volume created by the slap/reggae EQ's or by filter effects.
The screen can be scrolled to a position that allows me instant access to the SVT Solo Boost, the Bass Pre and the Splitter.
B3n #1 would provide filter, modulation and drive effects.
I would add an expression pedal through a Mission Engineering Expessionator which would allow me to control either the Pedal Volume from B3n #2 or another Pedal Effect from B3n #1 with a single pedal.
Add in a tuner for fast/easy tuning or muting, a DI (Stereo?) and my battery pack with suitable isolation and I think I would have a killer system with a relatively small footprint.
Your esteemed thoughts?
SVT Sim>Bass Pre>Splitter>LM 76>8x10 Cab Sim>Pedal Volume (Controlled by an expression pedal)
The Bass Pre has a large treble and bass boost with a slight mid cut. This is for instant slap happiness.
The Splitter has a large bass boost and moderate highs. This is for instant reggae goodness.
The LM 76 is set to limit mode, (20:1 gain reduction) to counter extremes in volume created by the slap/reggae EQ's or by filter effects.
The screen can be scrolled to a position that allows me instant access to the SVT Solo Boost, the Bass Pre and the Splitter.
B3n #1 would provide filter, modulation and drive effects.
I would add an expression pedal through a Mission Engineering Expessionator which would allow me to control either the Pedal Volume from B3n #2 or another Pedal Effect from B3n #1 with a single pedal.
Add in a tuner for fast/easy tuning or muting, a DI (Stereo?) and my battery pack with suitable isolation and I think I would have a killer system with a relatively small footprint.
Your esteemed thoughts?
Yes, or an amp head without a cab sim. I just started messing with the Splitter and it too is a powerful tone shaping tool.
The ZNR was one of my favorite parts of the B3, and it's been significantly upgraded in the B3n. Problem is, I'm having a hard time understanding the description. It's a subtle effect so any help would be appreciated in understanding what each parameter does.
I get more of a clamp effect when depth and threshold are up, but I'm not hearing much of a difference with decay, especially when depth and threshold up high. Is 0 allow for more decay or less?
What is meant by "depth of noise reduction"?
I get more of a clamp effect when depth and threshold are up, but I'm not hearing much of a difference with decay, especially when depth and threshold up high. Is 0 allow for more decay or less?
What is meant by "depth of noise reduction"?
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Depth is how far it turns the signal down when it's "off". I'm not sure how shallow this one goes, but on my digital mixer, I can have the gate as shallow as 3dB, all the way down to essentially OFF.
Detect is where the trigger detects the signal. I use GTR in, YMMV.
Detect is where the trigger detects the signal. I use GTR in, YMMV.
Yeah I use GTR in also. Thanks
Salud!
By the way, in case it helps anyone, I use a Rockboard LT XL powerbank and with my previous setup, EBS Microbass II + Boss TU3, I could go on for loooong hours with one charge (I charged it once a week, just in case). With the B3n + Boss TU3 (both continuously on, although in real use the TU3 will be off 99% of the time, of course), a charge has lasted some 7 hours. More than enough for a show, but way less than before.
By the way, in case it helps anyone, I use a Rockboard LT XL powerbank and with my previous setup, EBS Microbass II + Boss TU3, I could go on for loooong hours with one charge (I charged it once a week, just in case). With the B3n + Boss TU3 (both continuously on, although in real use the TU3 will be off 99% of the time, of course), a charge has lasted some 7 hours. More than enough for a show, but way less than before.
Thanks a lot, I didn't know. I've had simultaneously connected both 9V outs and a phone charging, but I wasn't playing at that time and nothing happened. I got lucky, I suppose.
Here's how I see this:
DETCT = Instrument or "line" level. (Anyone's guess what they're calling line level) = Overall sensitivity
Depth = Amount of supression = "x"dB below threshold point
THRSH = Threshold = point at which the circuit kicks in. Set it so it doesn't clip the tail of decaying notes.
Decay = Length of time it takes the circuit to disengage after the threshold is initially hit
Edit: Please see charlie C's post below. The DTCT function controls the placement of the effect . Either after the input (GTRIN) or post effects (EFXIN. This allows you to use effects like deay or reverb without chopping off their tails.
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