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NFL 2024-2025

I think Bo will be OK. The O-line isn't great yet, and his receivers are in the process of getting to game speed with him. I watched and he seems calm and as prepared as a rookie can be. He may have played 61 games (or whatever) in college, but that's not the pro game.

In today's NFL they don't have enough training camp time to learn much. The camps are so short and involve so little actual hitting that they're not much more than a series of walk-throughs. The first month of the actual season is now the training camp.

I have felt for years that putting a rookie QB onto the field in his first year after being drafted is a huge mistake. There's so much money involved that teams are desperate to show off their new toys, but QBs like Rodgers and Love in Green Bay show the benefits of sitting for at least a year before starting. I suspect many potentially QBs have been run out of the league by being started too soon. Even waiting half a season have value.
Yes, I suspect Bo Nix is better than his first game might show. Seattle has been good for a very long time and that's a tough place to be the visiting team. If the O-Line gels for DEN, Bo might get a chance to shine. But it ALWAYS starts with the line.

I think the last 9 years have been a series of DEN QBs who never got a fair shake because the O-Line was mediocre at best.
 
As a Dolphins fan, I'm always happy to see the Jets get smacked around. Rodgers being on the wrong end of the score is a nice bonus. He looked OK tonight. Not especially productive (certainly falling well short of the hype), but not a disaster either.
 
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I have at least 20-15, maybe 20-10 hindsight. It's a superpower.

I was surprised by Fields' lack of success, even if it was for the Bears. I joke about Bobby Douglass being the ultimate Bears quarterback, but that's partly because Chicago just seems to be where quarterbacks go to turn into anything but quarterbacks for as long as I can remember. Have the Bears had a quarterback since Sid Luckman, really?
The short answer to your question is "No". Not coincidentally the long answer is also "No". For almost as long as I can remember the most popular QB in Chicago is almost always the guy on waiting on the sideline holding a clipboard . . . until HE becomes the starter and is instantly reviled. There was a brief exception when McMahon was QB but that was a team with a defense so dominant all that was asked of the QB was not to trip over his own feet (or those of his linemen) too often and just let the D do all of the heavy lifting.

I liked that Fields wasn't one to cast shade on his teammates or the real culprits, the Bears (mis)management and coaching. From all accounts he was (and still is) a hard worker with a desire to learn but didn't have good "teachers" from which to do so. I don't have a horse in the Steelers QB race I just hope JF can achieve some success.

Best (and most surprising) move Bears made in a long time was hiring Ryan Poles as GM AND not have him report directly to the owner and not then-president Ted Phillips. 2nd best move was the McCaskey's FINALLY firing Ted Phillips, which was very hard for them as they value loyalty . . . often more than competence. Who knows what the future holds but at least there's a future to hope for, which nobody could say under the Phillips era.
 
As a Dolphins fan, I'm always happy to see the Jets get smacked around. Rodgers being on the wrong end of the score is a nice bonus. He looked OK tonight. Not especially productive (certainly falling well short of the hype), but not a disaster either.
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As a Dolphins fan, I'm always happy to see the Jets get smacked around. Rodgers being on the wrong end of the score is a nice bonus. He looked OK tonight. Not especially productive (certainly falling well short of the hype), but not a disaster either.
I thought he looked pretty good too. He got cross with Wilson on a miss but that was thrown behind. But overall his arm and footwork looked good. Jets ain’t beating Niners with or without Aaron. They didn’t lose because of bad QB play. They lost because Niners beat them.
I’m not a Jets guy but I would not panic if I was.

He sure looked a lot better than Kirk Cousins.
 
Yes, I suspect Bo Nix is better than his first game might show. Seattle has been good for a very long time and that's a tough place to be the visiting team. If the O-Line gels for DEN, Bo might get a chance to shine. But it ALWAYS starts with the line.

I think the last 9 years have been a series of DEN QBs who never got a fair shake because the O-Line was mediocre at best.
Seattle hasn't had a good O-line for a long time, either. Good enough at times, but certainly not top notch. They showed exactly that this past weekend. I guess the Seahawk offense will turn into three yards and a cloud of dust like the Big 10 in the early 1970s. It might be so different from what anybody else in the NFL is doing that they will get away with it. Like Army running a wishbone all these years after nobody else runs a wishbone.
 
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Yes, I suspect Bo Nix is better than his first game might show. Seattle has been good for a very long time and that's a tough place to be the visiting team. If the O-Line gels for DEN, Bo might get a chance to shine. But it ALWAYS starts with the line.

I think the last 9 years have been a series of DEN QBs who never got a fair shake because the O-Line was mediocre at best.
Bo Nix is another QB I like to see do well. As an Auburn alum I watched in dismay as Brian Harsin came in and torpedoed both the program and potential careers of existing players - and Bo was a genuine *legacy* player at AU so that made it even worse. Bo was wise to transfer to Oregon and it was good to see him succeed. If surrounded with the right talent I expect Nix to do well in the NFL, too. Even top NFL QB's have trouble in Seattle, let alone a rookie making his 1st NFL start.
 
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Seattle hasn't had a good O-line for a long time, either. Good enough at times, but certainly not top notch. They showed exactly that this past weekend. I guess the Seahawk offense will turn into three yards and a cloud of dust like the Big 10 in the early 1970s. It might be so different from what anybody else in the NFL is doing that they will get away with it. Like Army running a wishbone all these years after nobody else runs a wishbone.
When you have Russell Wilson in his prime, the O-Line can stand to be mediocre. :-)
 
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My. Van Noy certainly has lost touch with reality. He's crying about having to wait an entire quarter to see an ophthalmologist.
What a tragedy!

-Mike
 
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My. Van Noy certainly has lost touch with reality. He's crying about having to wait an entire quarter to see an ophthalmologist.
What a tragedy!

-Mike
Poor baby. I once tore up my right shoulder pretty badly. (Probably 25 years ago.) At that time, I would do 100 push-ups every morning. One day I was running late and doing them faster than usual. All of a sudden something literally snapped in my shoulder and I collapsed in serious pain.

I had an HMO at the time. The young doctor told me, "Well, you probably sprained it." I said, "No. Something snapped. There's something seriously wrong". He would not authorize an MRI. Gave me some pills and said to come back in 3 weeks if it wasn't better!

My right arm hung uselessly at my side for a week before I finally called him back and demanded an MRI, which he reluctantly authorized. I still had to wait another week or two before I could get it. I told him, "If I was a Memphis State basketball player, I'd get an MRI the day of the injury or the next day at the latest.

When I finally got the MRI, I got a call the next day. The woman says, "You need to contact an orthopedic surgeon IMMEDIATELY. Your shoulder is really messed up!" I said, "Gee, why didn't I think of that?!"

The surgeon later told me that he had to drill holes in a shoulder bone and an upper arm bone and use some kind of laces to tie it back together. Said on a scale of difficulty from 1 - 10, mine was an 11. To this day I'd love to smack the #### out of that piece of #### HMO doctor...

Oh yeah - I haven't done push-ups since... ;)
 
Poor baby. I once tore up my right shoulder pretty badly. (Probably 25 years ago.) At that time, I would do 100 push-ups every morning. One day I was running late and doing them faster than usual. All of a sudden something literally snapped in my shoulder and I collapsed in serious pain.

I had an HMO at the time. The young doctor told me, "Well, you probably sprained it." I said, "No. Something snapped. There's something seriously wrong". He would not authorize an MRI. Gave me some pills and said to come back in 3 weeks if it wasn't better!

My right arm hung uselessly at my side for a week before I finally called him back and demanded an MRI, which he reluctantly authorized. I still had to wait another week or two before I could get it. I told him, "If I was a Memphis State basketball player, I'd get an MRI the day of the injury or the next day at the latest.

When I finally got the MRI, I got a call the next day. The woman says, "You need to contact an orthopedic surgeon IMMEDIATELY. Your shoulder is really messed up!" I said, "Gee, why didn't I think of that?!"

The surgeon later told me that he had to drill holes in a shoulder bone and an upper arm bone and use some kind of laces to tie it back together. Said on a scale of difficulty from 1 - 10, mine was an 11. To this day I'd love to smack the #### out of that piece of #### HMO doctor...

Oh yeah - I haven't done push-ups since... ;)
There was a local HMO we called "Group Death." I had that insurance from an employer 20 or so years ago, and my knee had some issues. It felt like there was a piece of hot sheet metal jammed into the joint all the time. The doc told me not to worry, it would heal. Three years later, I had different insurance and it still hadn't healed. I finally saw a real doctor who wryly said that I could obviously live with it, so it wasn't a problem. But, if I didn't want debilitating arthritis fairly soon, I should probably get it repaired. The meniscus had torn and folded over. Sure enough, I have arthritis and no cartilage in that knee. The other knee is wearing out, too. I cannot completely blame the original doctor for the shape of my knees, but the fact that the left one is far more damaged than the right one probably has a lot to do with three years of unrepaired damage. Just remember, it's cheaper not to do anything and dead people are far cheaper than live ones. Profit!
 
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Absolute disaster in Miami tonight. Tua throws 3 picks--the first wasn't his fault, the second seemed to be a miscommunication with a WR, and the third was awful--and the Bills cruise. But the real killer is that Tua got another concussion and had that awful "fencing response" with his arms again.:( I really hope he's OK, and I also really hope he at least considers hanging it up to preserve his brain while he still can.
 
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Absolute disaster in Miami tonight. Tua throws 3 picks--the first wasn't his fault, the second seemed to be a miscommunication with a WR, and the third was awful--and the Bills cruise. But the real killer is that Tua got another concussion and had that zawful "fencing response" with his arms again.:( I really hope he's OK, and I also really hope he at least considers hanging it up to preserve his brain while he still can.
Yeah, I hope he's OK for the long haul. Miami's track record on rushing him back into service is not good. Bills showed up to play, Fins seemed disjointed and distracted long before Tua went down.
 
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When was the last time Miami beat Buffalo?
I'm with you @GregC on Tua. He really ain't that great to begin with, so here's his chance to exit the game somewhat gracefully with compassion from the fans.

-Mike
Well, he's undeniably good--top 10 in QBR last year, and #3 in 2022, along with huge numbers. And he's normally very accurate, which makes him a great fit in McDaniels' system. But he's not very mobile, and he's had a number of bad games against the best defenses. At this point, I'm skeptical that he can ever be great, even if he were to stay perfectly healthy from here on out (which seems highly unlikely). He's an awesome person from all reports--Josh Allen said it after the game, too. So if the doctors say he should hang it up, he should go into philanthropy and enjoy the rest of his life.
 
The stats are neat, but how many games that matter has he won? Has he ever won a playoff game?

-Mike
He's 33-19 as a starter, so he's won about 63% of his games despite never having a great running game behind him and mostly average defenses. He had to miss Mami's 2022 playoff game due to injury, so his one playoff game was at Kansas City last season (in negative temps, no less). So yeah, he's 0-1.
 
Bengals talked a whole lot of smack, but still lost to KC and are 0-2. Otherwise, some pretty significant upsets today. The Ravens are 0-2, the Cardinals destroyed the Rams, and the Saints beat up on Dallas. Good to see some shakeups.

I don't know what some of y'all see in Bo Nix so far. 0 TDs, 4 INTs. The Denver offense has 19 points total in 2 games. And a bunch of the yardage he does get comes in garbage time.
 
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