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NHL PLayoffs 2009

If Hossa got called for hooking on Dupuis, thus preventing him from clearing the zone, Detroit would have been playing shorthanded and not scoring a goal moments later ;)

It's the playoffs, I don't want to hear anyone complaining about sticks getting ripped out of their hands. ;)I swear the Wings played half of the Aneheim series with one player short sticked. All in all this has been a fairly evenly officiated series.
 
If Hossa got called for hooking on Dupuis....

I got no problem with that no-call on Hossa. Malkin got away with one last night as well. I am happy to see the refs letting the players decide the game. Two penalties all night, not counting the last second shenanigans.......I love it. Let them play.

No surprise being down 2-0, but I'm not happy. We scored first, had a handful of shots bounce of the post, and created some space to make plays. Our guys are making plays, we just need to minimize mistakes.

When you play an awesome team like Detroit, there is ZERO room for mistakes. I saw quite a few bad passes, missed attempts to clear, and such tonight. You can get away with that against Carolina, but not these Red Wings.

After going down 2-0 last year, I was ready to give up. Not this time. We can make some plays and get both games in Pittsburgh as long as Fleury calms down and Bylsma makes the right moves behind the bench. I still say we pull it out in seven.

-Mike
 
Way to come unglued Malkin....I've never seen Geno act like that...maybe he came to play this series, unlike last year.

I'm not sure what to make of it. He also has been getting all kinds of criticism for the disappearing act he pulled last year. Lots of pressure on him so far in the playoffs, and he has been playing lights out since they started.

Maybe he is trying to prove everyone wrong? Instead of fighting, I would have rather seen a hat trick if that is the case. :D

-Mike
 
Does this apply when he whines to the refs that the Washington fans are throwing too many hats on the ice after Ovetchkin scores a hat trick?

I doubt very much that that what was he was talking about, unless you have audio?... however, my teams captain is Chris Drury who is absolutely mute with his team and the officials... I wish I had a captain that stood up for my team.
 
A couple belated thoughts thus far. Note: I only saw part of the replay of game 1 on the NHL Network since I was stuck in a van coming back from Rochester (though it was worth it to play around in the House of Guitars. 7 String Conklin? Nice. 25th Anniversary Stingray? Beautiful. Wife being along and really liking them? Priceless. (if only the powerball ticket would hit, since she's apparently starting to gain an appreciation for nice bass gear....)


The bounce goals in game 1 were weird to say the least, but, as Babcock said, the Pens were practicing the bounces at their practice session. Every building has its quirks. Osgood stole that game (I don't ever recall saying that, but he did very well in the pipes). The puck on the back - I'd like to see a DIRECT overhead shot. The angle I saw, it was darn close to the outside edge if not out, and it seemed to me that Ozzie was rolling to the outside and Hank was trying to cover it so it didn't roll free. The rule about hand on the puck in the paint was written regarding a puck on the ice surface - in 30+ years of watching hockey, I don't ever recall seeing that happen before.

Faceoffs were the big key in that game - 71% win by Detroit was HUGE.

Game 2 - the penalty on Ericsson was weak imho that led to a good powerplay goal by the Pens - looked like they had about 7 whacks at it. That said, the following penalty on Malkin was also weak, if I'd have called anything on that one, it'd have been coincidentals since I saw both players grabbing each other, but my instinct would have been to let it go. The Zetterberg sprawl behind Ozzie was an amazing display of defensive awareness.

The Pens came VERY close on quite a few chances. Yes the Wings are up 2-0, and they've made their own luck through hard work. Still, this 2-0 gap is NOT the same as last year where it wasn't even close in the games. The Pens carried the play for significant stretches during both games. Home ice is going to be huge in this series. I expect Crosby to get on the score sheet in the Pitt games because with the final change, he's going to be able to get away from Zetterberg and Lidstrom/Rafalski. Datsyuk is the defending Selke winner, and a finalist this year, but if I had a vote both seasons, Zetterberg would have had my first place vote, Datsyuk second.

The Malkin instigator at the end was a surprise. Even less of a surprise was the NHL rescinding it. Insert obligatory photoshop of Malkin in Ducks jersey here. ;) That said, it was frustration on a goal attempt and being shut down by Zetterberg rather than an attempt to injure/send a message like the Ducks crap after game 6. BIG difference imho. I'd rather see Malkin in the lineup than out so there can be no excuses either way (much as I want to see Pavel back in the lineup).

Babcocks comments after game 2 were well said. His clarification about Crosby before he took any questions was very classy. I also got a kick out of his subtle jab at the NHL office when he said he expected nothing to happen regarding the instigator (he was right). I feel bad for Bylsma regarding the post icing goals - time out or not time out, he got burned both ways. The play in game 2 I think Babcock set a speed record for getting his guys out to capitalize on the Pens' fatigue.

Overall, the officials have pretty much let both teams play. In a skill vs skill series like this, it's what you want. I was hoping someone would hit Maguire between the benches with octopus slime the way he was complaining at times. These composite sticks break all the time, and he was screaming about Hossa shattering DuPuis' stick. Please. The no call was the right call, and I'd say that if it was the other way around.

DuPuis played a heck of an energy game, and was imho one of the Pens best players. Fleury needs to step it up for the Pens to get back into this, since Ozzie seems to be dialed in well. Justin Abdelkader (note the spelling, PLEASE don't use Abdul Gator like a moron on a Wings page I frequent did :rollno:) is chipping in beautifully. He was a 2nd round pick by the Wings, and both of his goals showed a VERY deft hand at corralling an uncooperative puck to get the shot off. He tore it up in Grand Rapids this year, and is impressing me.

Darren Helm is hitting everything in sight, and playing extremely well. I'm tempted to give Tomas Kopecky the play of the year award for getting his face broken since it's what made the roster space for Helm. Though "Helmer" may be the traditional nickname for him, I'm thinking Nightmare on Helm Street may be more appropriate, especially if he bulks up and adds the Kronwallian hit to his repertoire.

I was hoping to get a split out of the first 2 games, so I'm thrilled to see the Wings up. They've caught some breaks, but also played well. If the Wings can manage a split in the Burgh, things are looking great. That said, the final change giving Bylsma the chance to get Crosby and Malkin away from Zetterberg is going to be HUGE. If I'm him, I load them together and jack their ice time through the roof whenever Zetterberg isn't on the ice. If Datsyuk comes back for Game 3, than it's that much harder but I have a hunch he's got broken bone(s) in his foot and just can't push off strongly. The Wings need to weather the storm and stick to their game. The way some of the breaks have gone, and the way that the last change has come into play, I wouldn't be surprised if the Pens blew one open at home, particularly with the crowd behind them.


Finally, regarding the Hossa hate. Mike, it isn't bad here, but if you go over to letsgopens.com the official site of whiny Pens fans, it's almost to the level of psychotic obsessive. Hossa was a rental, he played what, 31 games for them? The Chelios analogy was much different - he played years for them and was the cornerstone of their D and made anti-Wings comments for years, then he came to Detroit and fit in well after the Hawks thought he was washed up.

The Fedorov leaving Detroit was a pure money grab/ego boost. He wanted to be THE MAN, and it wasn't going to happen with Yzerman there and with the rise of the team first culture. I love the skill Fedorov had, but his departure was less than friendly. I got over the booing quickly - 1 game was enough. He did a LOT for the team and deserves respect for that. I wish him well as he closes out his career in the KHL playing with his brothers.

Shanahan - came to Detroit, and was a linchpin of several cup teams. He chose to leave after Yzerman retired to allow the younger players like Hank and Pavs to develop, and to let Nick get the C. IMHO it's wasn't a money grab. The Rangers offered 2 years, the Wings if I recall correctly only offered one. No hard feelings there from me. He earned my respect as a Wing, and I feel that no boos are due him upon a return to JLA. He's with the Devils now - I have no problem, he started there, and never would have left if he hadn't been sent to St. Louis as compensation for the Scott Stevens signing imho.

Obligatory salute to the Vladinator comment earlier. I still wear my Konstantinov white jersey with the NHL 75th patch proudly, though this season's playoff game day jersey is the new Zetterberg winter classic. The thoughts of a Konstantinov/Kronwall pairing is just scary. It'd be like Chuck Norris was cloned into a tag team.
 
I got no problem with that no-call on Hossa. Malkin got away with one last night as well. I am happy to see the refs letting the players decide the game. Two penalties all night, not counting the last second shenanigans.......I love it. Let them play.

Holy crap, we've got a Pens fan who loves the game first! :D Huge props Mike. The Pens fans around here could learn a LOT from you. Stop putting yourself down as a newbie fan or not knowledgeable. You're a lot more knowledgable than you give yourself credit for.

No surprise being down 2-0, but I'm not happy. We scored first, had a handful of shots bounce of the post, and created some space to make plays. Our guys are making plays, we just need to minimize mistakes.

When you play an awesome team like Detroit, there is ZERO room for mistakes. I saw quite a few bad passes, missed attempts to clear, and such tonight. You can get away with that against Carolina, but not these Red Wings.

Very well said.

After going down 2-0 last year, I was ready to give up. Not this time. We can make some plays and get both games in Pittsburgh as long as Fleury calms down and Bylsma makes the right moves behind the bench. I still say we pull it out in seven.

-Mike

I agree this series is still wide open, and, to be honest, I'm expecting the Pens to win both 3 and 4, one by blowout. That said, if the Wings pull off the split, the Pens are in a heap of trouble. One factor that I hadn't thought of so much is will to win. I'm seeing a lot more fire from some of the Wings than I honestly expected. As in Hal Jordan Green Lantern power ring slinging willpower (yeah, I'm a former comic book geek). This 2-0 is NOT the same as last season's 2-0, as I said in my previous post.
 
That's how it goes for the playoffs...You're going to have to win at least one game in the other teams building.

Usually when I see such a long post I skip it but yours are always an enjoyable read Xym.

I agree, I always enjoy XYM our Hockey coloumist here at TB:)

Did you guys catch Babcocks comments about willpower after last night? He said, and I agreed that the Wings were playing on dead legs last night and that they had to use their willpower to win. He also said he expects that as the series continues his team will skate and play much better. I suspect by game four the rest factor will be about even. Partly because the Pens D is getting a lot of extra minutes and Detroit's four line depth will begin to show more. I fully expect the Pens to win game three. I also expect to see Datsyuk in game three if he can break into the line up. :D

The other thing that I think has been overplayed is Detroit's age. With the exception of Maltby, Lidstrom (who plays like no 39 year old in history) and Chelios (whose was a scratch in game two) Detroit is not that old of team. While the Pens stars are young, take away Crosby, Malkin and Fluerry from the Pens age average, and Maltby, Lidstrom, and Chelios from the Wings the average age of the teams is about the same. People forget that Franzien, Fillipaldi, and Kromwell are all young players just coming into their own. Also for the future, I think Helm, Abdulcator, and Eriksson could become real impact players in this league.
 
That's how it goes for the playoffs...You're going to have to win at least one game in the other teams building.

Usually when I see such a long post I skip it but yours are always an enjoyable read Xym.


Heh, thanks for the kind words. I don't TRY to be so verbose, it just flows out of me. Thanks for taking the time to read them :)
 
I don't think age is an issue in this series. The Pens played on the same dead legs last night, so it isn't like Detroit was alone on that.

I can see how Staal, Malkin, and Crosby would have an advantage skating against players older than them, but that is the extent of it in my mind. Besides, Detroit plays smarter than harder. They get the same results with less work. I am NOT saying they don't work hard, they do. But they clearly have the cerebrial edge against any other team in hockey.

-Mike
 
Caught the last period of Game 2. There really is nothing like playoff hockey and this Finals is living up to the billing.

Since I don't have a rooting interest, I just hope for competitive games (preferably a seven game series) that are won by the best team with little to no officiating controversy. So far, so good.
 
I agree, I always enjoy XYM our Hockey coloumist here at TB:)

Again, thanks a lot :)


Did you guys catch Babcocks comments about willpower after last night? He said, and I agreed that the Wings were playing on dead legs last night and that they had to use their willpower to win. He also said he expects that as the series continues his team will skate and play much better. I suspect by game four the rest factor will be about even. Partly because the Pens D is getting a lot of extra minutes and Detroit's four line depth will begin to show more. I fully expect the Pens to win game three. I also expect to see Datsyuk in game three if he can break into the line up. :D


Yeah, I'll fess up, it was the inspiration for my Green Lantern comment in my reply to Mike. Great call about the depth of the Wings' 4th line showing more at about game 4. I think the tough minutes for the Pens' D-men was a factor in putting DuPuis out there to try to roll 4 lines. My gut feeling is still the Pens win game 3 in a blowout. I threw out my gameplan if I was Bylsma for game 3 in the novel length post, but if Datsyuk comes back and can be effective, that's a huge fly in the ointment. Personally I think Pavs has at least one broken bone in his foot (admittedly I'm inferring from Bruce MacLeod's blogs at the macomb daily news) and he's had trouble pushing off. Still, an effective Pavs would be a huge lift for the Wings, and having 2 shutdown units would make things ugly for Pittsburgh. Again the last change at home may very well be the best weapon Bylsma has. If he uses it well, and the Pens execute and get some breaks, it could be ugly for the Wings.

The other thing that I think has been overplayed is Detroit's age. With the exception of Maltby, Lidstrom (who plays like no 39 year old in history) and Chelios (whose was a scratch in game two) Detroit is not that old of team. While the Pens stars are young, take away Crosby, Malkin and Fluerry from the Pens age average, and Maltby, Lidstrom, and Chelios from the Wings the average age of the teams is about the same. People forget that Franzen, Filppula, and Kronwall are all young players just coming into their own. Also for the future, I think Helm, Abdelkader, and Ericsson could become real impact players in this league.

Great analysis of the age stats. At forward, Draper is 38, Maltby is 36, Samuelsson is 32. The rest of the regulars are 30 or less. On D, Chelios is 47, Lidstrom is 39, Rafalski is 35, Lilja is 33, the rest are 30 or less. Cheli is dragging up the average big time.

For the Pens, Guerin is 38, Satan is 34, and Adams is 32, as is Sykora. The rest of the regulars are under 30. On D, Gonchar is 35, Gill 34, Boucher 36, Eaton 32, the rest are 30 or less.

As far as your analysis of Helm, Abdelkader, and Ericsson, I'd say they most certainly will be impact players in the NHL.
 
Besides, Detroit plays smarter than harder. They get the same results with less work. I am NOT saying they don't work hard, they do. But they clearly have the cerebral edge against any other team in hockey.

-Mike

Your last sentence is outstanding. I get the drift of what your first part of this is - they play with an amazing efficiency in their game. Well said. Hrm... if I do end up doing a hockey show, I'll have to pull you onto staff :)
 
Your last sentence is outstanding. I get the drift of what your first part of this is - they play with an amazing efficiency in their game.

Thanks bro.

It was real obvious to me last night. The Pens skate ALL over the ice in this major hurry trying to steal passes, cut off angles, hit guys into the boards, or make plays on defense. They do so because they are fast, and lack the mental edge in their game. It isn't wrong per se, just doing more work than they need to.

Detroit sits back in their zones (football term since I don't know the hockey word), and plays position hockey. They keep their sticks on the ice and fill the passing lanes. You can also tell they study film and learn opposing players tendencies. So along comes a Pen up the ice, and they just sit back waiting for that careless or less than accurate pass to skip across the ice where the promptly steal it. I saw it over, and over, and over, and over last night.

How many times did I see Pens players with their sticks up in the air? A few million. Keep your sticks on the ice guys...on-the-ice. They aren't ski poles to make you skate faster.

I'm not trying to suck up to the Detroit fans since my team is down 2-0, but you could seriously make a "How to play intelligent, winning hockey" video based on highlights from the first two games in this series.

But hey....sometimes playing with your motor at 150% and out of your mind will get you some wins. I sure hope it does in the next week and a half. I need four of those wins. :D

-Mike
 
Thanks bro.

It was real obvious to me last night. The Pens skate ALL over the ice in this major hurry trying to steal passes, cut off angles, hit guys into the boards, or make plays on defense. They do so because they are fast, and lack the mental edge in their game. It isn't wrong per se, just doing more work than they need to.

Anytime. I'll give credit where it's due. The above paragraph is again solid analysis.

Detroit sits back in their zones (football term since I don't know the hockey word), and plays position hockey. They keep their sticks on the ice and fill the passing lanes. You can also tell they study film and learn opposing players tendencies. So along comes a Pen up the ice, and they just sit back waiting for that careless or less than accurate pass to skip across the ice where the promptly steal it. I saw it over, and over, and over, and over last night.

Again, solid

How many times did I see Pens players with their sticks up in the air? A few million. Keep your sticks on the ice guys...on-the-ice. They aren't ski poles to make you skate faster.

This is gold. I came darn close to snarfing mountain dew all over the new shirt and tie I'm wearing today.

I'm not trying to suck up to the Detroit fans since my team is down 2-0, but you could seriously make a "How to play intelligent, winning hockey" video based on highlights from the first two games in this series.

But hey....sometimes playing with your motor at 150% and out of your mind will get you some wins. I sure hope it does in the next week and a half. I need four of those wins. :D

-Mike

Not taken as such. Intelligent hockey discussion isn't sucking up. If you had to deal with the Pens fans around here, you'd understand why I'm so appreciative of talking hockey with you :)
 
Mike is a sports fan in general and you can tell it. He separates himself from casual fans by not letting his emotions get in the way (I'm guilty of that from time to time, but I'm passionate about my team) and he seeks an understanding of the game. If MJ were representative of the majority of fans that are being attracted to the NHL then I'd say that Bettman wasn't doing that bad of a job. The jury is out on that one though.

OT. I hear Messier is going into coaching. It's about time.
 
Hossa didn't slash DuPuis.

This angle clearly shows it.

How DARE he play the puck! :D

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Mike is a sports fan in general and you can tell it. He separates himself from casual fans by not letting his emotions get in the way (I'm guilty of that from time to time, but I'm passionate about my team) and he seeks an understanding of the game. If MJ were representative of the majority of fans that are being attracted to the NHL then I'd say that Bettman wasn't doing that bad of a job. The jury is out on that one though.

OT. I hear Messier is going into coaching. It's about time.

Thanks man. Getting props from you serious hockey guys means a lot to me.

I really try to separate my emotions from my teams when I can, it is really hard for me.

I think playing Detroit makes it easy since they are such an awesome and classy team. There is really no one to dislike on their roster, and they don't do anything blatantly obvious to get all upset about.

-Mike