Well, I guess it was our turn not to show up like it was for Detroit in game four. We got beat up early, and lost it. I don't think Detroit did anything spectacular tonight. I realize they had Datsyuk back. I sure don't give Osgood the star of the game, he didn't do anything all night. Give them all to the Detroit defense.
The Wings penalty kill actually showed up for once. Huge lift from the return of Datsyuk. They actually played like they meant it. Doc Emerick made a comment about it being a "statement game" and I agree. They've done it in some big games all season.
Now I'm really pissed about the loss, so I'll try to be as nice about this as possible. All you people out there who think the NHL is conspiring to give Crosby a Cup need to shut it. All of you who jumped all over him for the dramatic fall to the ice in game four after the slash to his calf....shut it as well.
Crosby got Zetterberg with the same slash Crosby received in game four. Zetterberg falls, gets up smiling, and Crosby is sent to the sin bin for two minutes. So knock it off with that BS about Crosby being handed a trophy.
I don't blame you. I know Bettman looked furious in the 3rd when they showed the shot of him. As far as the slash - I saw Zetterberg smiling as he got up immediately after the play. I also saw him get up right away instead of writhing on the ice for several seconds. Also no head toss with the facial expression of agony that Crosby had. My biggest beef with Crosby's behavior after his reception of the slash was because he gave Maltby a two hander after an earlier game and bragged about it to the media. I don't recall Zetterberg bragging about giving a slash previously. That said, Crosby is still a @#$% good player.
I got some more to say, but I am too pissed to go on any longer. I just wanted to show up and make a few comments so no one accused me of being some pussy who only posts when my team wins.
Way to put the hammer down tonight Detroit. Impressive win.
-Mike
First of all I think you know I'd never pull that on you. I know you're better than that.
To a point. But the Detroit Power play and Penalty kill looks much sharper with a healthy Pavel Datsyuk. Think about it, Detroit played the last two conference finals games without Lidstrom and Datsyuk. Detroit was still even with Pittsburgh even without Datsyuk. Now how well do the Pens do without Crosby or Malkin for four games? I said earlier that Detroit healthy would win in six, I'll stand by it.
Sounds like my prediction as well. It's also a very valid point about their depth. I'd love to get my hands on Neil Smith's data mine (check the hockey news for what I'm talking about, apparently hes with a company that does way too much analysis for NHL coaches and GM's, it's a decent article) and check a few things, though I have no idea of how to even process the data. Bear with me for a moment here, and I'd like to see your thoughts on this as well, Mike. Take Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Crosby, and Malkin. Take the stats smorgasbord Neil Smith's company has. When you factor in 2 way play, offensive awareness, defensive awareness, speed, shot accuracy, hockey instincts, etc (yes I'm using the old NHL 94 stats for lack of a better term), based upon all the data Smith's company has, a couple things I'd like to see.
First, individually, who's the biggest overall weapon (offensively and defensively) - my gut pick is Zetterberg because of his defensive edge, but it's a hard call.
Second, individually, who's the biggest offensive weapon individually - my gut pick is Malkin since he goes to the net harder more often
Third - who's the best setup guy - this is tough, since if you consider assists as the only marker, the playmaker is at the mercy of his teammates actually burying it as well as the goalie making a huge save or a d-man making a killer play to deflect the shot. I'm asking it in the context of delivering the puck to give the shooter the opportunity. Doesn't matter if they connect, only if they give the shooter the opportunity. I'm not sure if I'm expressing it well - think of how many times you've seen an amazing pass to set up a chance that didn't go. Considering those chances as well as the assists for those that connect. I haven't seen as much of the Pens games, but my gut feels it's going to be pretty darn close between Crosby and Datsyuk.
Finally, and this is the hardest to quantify (as if the third wasn't). Who has the greatest "synergizing effect" on their linemates. Who is able to elevate their linemate's play to another level. Think of what Mario Lemieux did for Rob Brown. There's been a lot of talk on the Wings side about Hank and Pavs being the "Eurotwins" and being so much better together (as in Eurotwin powers - activate). What I'm getting at here, is does Datsyuk give Zetterberg more of a boost than vice versa, and what do they do respectively for their linemates when separated. Same for Crosby and Malkin. Considering everything, offense, defense, intangibles. I have no idea how to even try to break this one down.
While the Pens beat themselves, Detroit DID that to them. The Pens that were taking stupid Penalties weren't just Kontz, it was Malkin and Crosby, the guys who are suppose to be leaders. They still have a long way to go in the maturity department.![]()
Like Mike said, both Malkin and Crosby are young, but when you've got a C or an A on the jersey, you have an obligation to your team to step up. Kunitz was just playing like an ex-Duck.
This was the first game in the series were Detroit looked like Detroit. I do think, that the home ice, the rest after the four games in five nights to start, and the return of Datsyuk which made the team quantitatively deeper made a huge difference. I suspect with an extra day of rest going in to Pittsburgh, the Wings might be healthier yet. I don't know if Datsyuk was a 100%, but he sure played a dominating game, I'm not sure their is a better passer in the game. And his defensive presence is invaluable. the other thing is he is very underrated for his physical play, he is not afraid to throw his body around for some nice hits along the boards. And after the first half of the first, Detroit won all the battles on the boards tonight.
The return of Pavs was huge, as was getting the home ice change. The Pens actually won the faceoff battle in this game if I read the stats blurb on the NHL network correctly. Game 6 in Pittsburgh Bylsma has the last change. That's played a bigger role in this series than most people are giving credit for. While I anticipate seeing the Wings win game 6 tomorrow night, I wouldn't be surprised if the Pens came out hard and popped a couple early to force a game 7. In either case, PLEASE let the refs not make any weak calls against either team for this game (or game 7 if necessary).
As far as the future, Detroit is suppose to have a hot shot Swedish goalie in the Minors. I'm sure XYM knows his name. The real kink in the future is a 39 year old Lidstrom. Other then that this is a team entering it's prime with a lot of depth, if they resign Hossa to the rumored deal, I expect them to be a cup contender (healthy) for at least two more years. And a playoff force for five or six. The other thing, they need to do is keep Babcock, I don't believe there's a better coach in the game, not that he's talking about leaving.
Ask and you shall recieve
All I know is it's not over yet. I like the fact that Detroit played the entire game and Ozzie got a shut out. He's come close several times in this year's playoffs but this is only his second shutout. I didn't see the first 2 periods but it seems that they played much better in their own zone and I also noticed that their passes were sharper and their decision making was better when they had the puck.
If this continues into the next game then I'm going to go ahead and call it in 6 since no team in the league can beat a Detroit team firing on all cylinders. Datsyuk made more of an impact than I thought he would, by seeing the replays of the passes he was making on the power plays and his on ice awareness hasn't skipped a beat.
I bolded the most important thing in your post. It would be VERY easy for Detroit to get overconfident after game 5 (to be honest, I think the Pens came into game 5 a bit overconfident after the soundly beat the Wings in game 4). While I agree that on paper, nobody should be able to beat a healthy Wings team firing on all cylinders, the game isn't played on paper. Game 6 is going to be a barnburner, imho.
Let's hope it turns out to be a display of hockey excellence decided by they player's skill. Not bad reffing, not cheap shots, not bad ice. Let it be one for the ages. If the Wings win cup number 12, I'll be partying hard. If the Pens force game 7, then let game 7 be one for the ages regardless of the winner (though I've got to be pulling for the Wings personally