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NHL Season 2021
- Thread starter MJ5150
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He was as surprised as everyone else. That was a dump-in to buy time during the change and... whoops! Went in.
I feel badly for Varlamov, and for the whole team. That dude played amazing in net last night, and so did Tuukka. Just an all-time game, and I'd like to think I'd be saying that even if I were an Isles fan.
100% of the shots you don't take won't go in. Conversely,...
I watched the Scheifele hit about 50 times from multiple angles, and in normal speed and slow motion, and I'm going to go against the common opinion and say that the hit, while grossly reckless, was not intented to injure.
I played hockey for many years and I know that defencemen are conditioned to automatically go after the man in the crease and not the puck. I saw Scheifele attempt to knock Evan's out of the way before he could shoot the puck into the net. That's what they're trained to do. I note that Scheifele didn't leave his feet and he made contact with his forearm to Evan's chest, not his head.
Nevertheless, under those particular circumstances, doing what he did is dangerous and reckless. He should have known better. What he should've done, was dive headfirst between Evans and the goal, with with his stick outstretched to try and block the shot. But he didn't, and Evans got hurt, and it may possibly jeopardize his carrer.
Considering that Scheifele has no previous infractions and isn't known as a dirty player, I believe the 4 game suspension is appropriate. Under no circumstances should he be allowed to return for this series and be on the same ice as the Habs.
I saw a comment earlier suggesting that having more "enforcers" on teams would solve the problem of dirty hits. To the contray, I think that would make the problem worse. It's the enforcers that already exist in the league who are responsible for most of the dirty hits that we do see.
I remember watching games in the 70s when enforcers were the norm. It was brutal. Bench clearing brawls took place in almost every game and it was completely out of control.
What we need, is more consistency from the NHL. They should be more harsh in their punishment of players who act to go after players with intent to injure, and the penalties should increase exponentially with subsequent infractions.
Flame away.
I played hockey for many years and I know that defencemen are conditioned to automatically go after the man in the crease and not the puck. I saw Scheifele attempt to knock Evan's out of the way before he could shoot the puck into the net. That's what they're trained to do. I note that Scheifele didn't leave his feet and he made contact with his forearm to Evan's chest, not his head.
Nevertheless, under those particular circumstances, doing what he did is dangerous and reckless. He should have known better. What he should've done, was dive headfirst between Evans and the goal, with with his stick outstretched to try and block the shot. But he didn't, and Evans got hurt, and it may possibly jeopardize his carrer.
Considering that Scheifele has no previous infractions and isn't known as a dirty player, I believe the 4 game suspension is appropriate. Under no circumstances should he be allowed to return for this series and be on the same ice as the Habs.
I saw a comment earlier suggesting that having more "enforcers" on teams would solve the problem of dirty hits. To the contray, I think that would make the problem worse. It's the enforcers that already exist in the league who are responsible for most of the dirty hits that we do see.
I remember watching games in the 70s when enforcers were the norm. It was brutal. Bench clearing brawls took place in almost every game and it was completely out of control.
What we need, is more consistency from the NHL. They should be more harsh in their punishment of players who act to go after players with intent to injure, and the penalties should increase exponentially with subsequent infractions.
Flame away.
I watched the Scheifele hit about 50 times from multiple angles, and in normal speed and slow motion, and I'm going to go against the common opinion and say that the hit, while grossly reckless, was not intented to injure.
I played hockey for many years and I know that defencemen are conditioned to automatically go after the man in the crease and not the puck. I saw Scheifele attempt to knock Evan's out of the way before he could shoot the puck into the net. That's what they're trained to do. I note that Scheifele didn't leave his feet and he made contact with his forearm to Evan's chest, not his head.
Nevertheless, under those particular circumstances, doing what he did is dangerous and reckless. He should have known better. What he should've done, was dive headfirst between Evans and the goal, with with his stick outstretched to try and block the shot. But he didn't, and Evans got hurt, and it may possibly jeopardize his carrer.
Considering that Scheifele has no previous infractions and isn't known as a dirty player, I believe the 4 game suspension is appropriate. Under no circumstances should he be allowed to return for this series and be on the same ice as the Habs.
I saw a comment earlier suggesting that having more "enforcers" on teams would solve the problem of dirty hits. To the contray, I think that would make the problem worse. It's the enforcers that already exist in the league who are responsible for most of the dirty hits that we do see.
I remember watching games in the 70s when enforcers were the norm. It was brutal. Bench clearing brawls took place in almost every game and it was completely out of control.
What we need, is more consistency from the NHL. They should be more harsh in their punishment of players who act to go after players with intent to injure, and the penalties should increase exponentially with subsequent infractions.
Flame away.
I watched the Scheifele hit about 50 times from multiple angles, and in normal speed and slow motion, and I'm going to go against the common opinion and say that the hit, while grossly reckless, was not intented to injure.
I played hockey for many years and I know that defencemen are conditioned to automatically go after the man in the crease and not the puck. I saw Scheifele attempt to knock Evan's out of the way before he could shoot the puck into the net. That's what they're trained to do. I note that Scheifele didn't leave his feet and he made contact with his forearm to Evan's chest, not his head.
Nevertheless, under those particular circumstances, doing what he did is dangerous and reckless. He should have known better. What he should've done, was dive headfirst between Evans and the goal, with with his stick outstretched to try and block the shot. But he didn't, and Evans got hurt, and it may possibly jeopardize his carrer.
Considering that Scheifele has no previous infractions and isn't known as a dirty player, I believe the 4 game suspension is appropriate. Under no circumstances should he be allowed to return for this series and be on the same ice as the Habs.
I saw a comment earlier suggesting that having more "enforcers" on teams would solve the problem of dirty hits. To the contray, I think that would make the problem worse. It's the enforcers that already exist in the league who are responsible for most of the dirty hits that we do see.
I remember watching games in the 70s when enforcers were the norm. It was brutal. Bench clearing brawls took place in almost every game and it was completely out of control.
What we need, is more consistency from the NHL. They should be more harsh in their punishment of players who act to go after players with intent to injure, and the penalties should increase exponentially with subsequent infractions.
Flame away.
I take no issue with any of your commentary.
While I think there is a need for policing dirty hits and holding guys accountable there’s no room for enforcers in today’s game. If your only skill is punching people in the face you won’t last long at this level. All four lines need to have the ability to create plays and defend well and eat up minutes to have any success in the post-modern NHL.
I haven’t check all the replies since Scheifele took Evans out. My stance is informed by The Hockey Guy’s insight (he’s typically on top of these things) I think you had a guy who has a typically decent reputation as a clean player becoming hotter and hotter all game long and maybe the refs needed to more on top of getting him to cool off.
The EN was ensured putting the game out of hand and Scheifele lost his temper and made the wrong decision in a split second. The way you take out those frustrations is coming into game two with the rust knocked off and bury your chances. Score on the power play and celebrate with intensity.
What I saw in Scheifele was a lack of respect as a result in seeing red. Contrast that with Nik Ehlers protecting a fallen opponent in the ensuing scrum.
Do I think Scheifele intended to injure Evans? No. Do I think he lost control of his emotions? Absolutely. Now he has four games to reset and he is certainly gonna have to answer the bell of this series goes the distance.
All that said, mad props to Nik Ehlers for knowing where competition ends and humanity begins. He can be on my hockey team anytime.
(yes I know I’m little late to the party)
I respectfully disagree. While it's impossible for anyone but Scheifele to know what Scheifele was thinking, I truly believe all he was thinking about was keeping Evans from scoring at all costs, and his desperation to keep the puck out of the net allowed him to commit an illegal and dangerous charging infraction.
I believe this for two reasons.
1) From junior leagues on up, it's drilled into the heads of players on defense (I know Scheifele plays center) to "TAKE THE MAN, NOT THE PUCK".
When an opposing player is in front of the net with the puck, you shove him aside and let the goalie worry about the puck. It's automatic. If you make a priority of trying to battle the opposing player for puck possession in front of the net, the coach is going to scream at you.
2) Everybody on that ice wants desperately to win, and I don't believe Scheifele would lose his head enough to gratuitously go after another player at the expense of letting a puck go into his goal.
If Scheifele had hit Evans after the puck went in and he had a second or two to let up, then I'd believe otherwise.
Again, I can't know what was going on in his head at the time, and I could be entirely wrong, but my years of playing experience leads me to think Scheifele did something reckless and stupid because he was desperate to win and he saw the door about to slam shut in his face.
My 2c.
You can clearly Schiefle not playing the puck , going straight for Evens without slowing down.
Even though he might not have the idea of injuring him , the action speaks otherwise.
" too late to put down your pants once you've ******* in it"
Even though he might not have the idea of injuring him , the action speaks otherwise.
" too late to put down your pants once you've ******* in it"
I'll quote myself here, and ask you if you care to comment on it.
"From junior leagues on up, it's drilled into the heads of players on defense (I know Scheifele plays center) to "TAKE THE MAN, NOT THE PUCK".
When an opposing player is in front of the net with the puck, you shove him aside and let the goalie worry about the puck. It's automatic. If you make a priority of trying to battle the opposing player for puck possession in front of the net, the coach is going to scream at you."
Yep , I agree that we've been told that ( I played 'till Midget , when I pickup bass , still play sometimes , garage league )
But I've never never been told
"TAKE THE MAN to the hospital, NOT THE PUCK".
I would love to hear what went down in the refs conference about the Krejci penalty:
R1: 5 minutes. He speared him in the stones.
R2: If it's a major the league has to look at it appear to do something.
R1: <skates to center ice and turns on mic> 2 for slashing
R1: 5 minutes. He speared him in the stones.
R2: If it's a major the league has to look at it appear to do something.
R1: <skates to center ice and turns on mic> 2 for slashing
I tried to address that.
. . . under those particular circumstances, doing what he did is dangerous and reckless. He should have known better.
. . . Scheifele did something reckless and stupid because he was desperate to win and he saw the door about to slam shut in his face.
Just to clarify, I'm in no way suggesting that Scheifele did nothing wrong. My only point is that he acted out of desperation to keep an opponent from scoring a game winning goal, and not as many are suggesting, out of anger and frustration, leading him to try to punish an opponent.
Clearly, there are too many injuries in the NHL, despite some recent rule changes implemented in recent years intended to reduce injuries. The only workable solution I can think of is for the NHL to fundamentally rethink the rules about violent contact. They might prohibit all forms of high impact hitting. No more checking opponents into the boards or "at speed" collisions anywhere on the ice.
But, I don't believe either the players or the fans are ready for such changes. At least not at this time. Yet there was a time when fighting and bench clearing brawls were so prevalent that it became a common joke.
"I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out."
When the NHL began to seriously debate rule changes that would vastly reduce the amount of fighting, it was widely argued that they would lose fans in droves. Exactly the opposite happened.
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And almost all the players are in better shape, thus bigger and faster. And able to play effectively longer.
Close, I think it went down like this..
R1: Spearing major.
R2: Are we calling the three crosschecks?
R1: No, too late.
R2: How about we give Krejci credit for absorbing two crosschecks with no retaliation and dock Barzal a minute for embellishment?
R1: Two minutes for slashing.
There's a proposed format for playoff overtime: 1st OT-5on5; 2nd OT-4on4; 3rd OT-3on3 ; 4th OT-2on2; 5th OT-1on1; 6th OT-goalies to center ice and duke it out.
You're not wrong. Because they were offensive team crosschecks they should have been called. Crosschecks by the defensive team are freebies.
It would haelp if they called the stick work according to the rules. The other pet hate I have is when refs call a game in a onesided manner. When the penalties are 8-1 the refs are tilting the ice. You've played the game, you know that there are no teams that are innocent and on the side of the angels.
The NBC crew doesn't try to hide their lust for a 7-game series - they were convinced Marchand interfered on the goal (perhaps influencing the Isles to make the ill-advised challenge). I give the NHL credit for making the right call there as they probably want a 7-game series too, but not enough to throw all integrity out the window.
