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Nolly Getgood Explain His Sound

Why are are you going to the trouble of arguing with the results if “you can’t argue with results”?

Some of what you said is factually incorrect: upstrokes and downstrokes will always sound slightly different, and there are specific reasons you may choose one or the other for a given part.

That’s why James Hetfield and many other metal players use downstrokes even on passages that are REALLY fast.

No idea what you’re talking about with the “limitations of a pick” bit, or the the “if you’re going to play hard you should just use your fingers” piece either.

It seems like your not really understanding the concepts that he’s discussing in the video: he’s picking downward so that he can attack the strings aggressively enough to get the sound he’s after without the initial attack of each note going sharp.

Simply putting on heavier strings won’t stop the note from going sharp when you first attack it if you’re playing that hard.

That’s why fingerstyle players like Alex Webster have a similar “bounce the string off the fretboard” technique.


I thought I was pretty clear that I think Nolly gets a great sound, regardless of my subjective feelings about how he gets it. If not, I’ll say it straight out: Nolly has a great sound. I actually really like his tone, much moreso than most modern metal Darkglass-using bassists I’ve heard. If I thought the guy sucked I would come out and say so.

Regarding downpicking, guitar and bass guitar are different animals, in no small part because guitarists are usually playing chords; they are literally striking the strings in a different order on their upstroke. That’s why I threw in a caveat for 8-string players. A better comparison would be to Kirk Hammet; admittedly I don’t spend a lot of time studying Hammet’s right hand technique, but I assume he uses double picking. He can do that easily and still sound good because he’s playing single notes. Similarly, for a bassist not playing chords or an 8/12-string the only difference between their upstroke and downstroke is how they attack the string, and IMO theres’ no good reason a dedicated pick player shouldn’t have an upstroke that is, for any reasonably practical purposes, just as aggressive as their downstroke. There’s just no physical reason for it. I can do it and I don’t think I’m a particularly exceptional player. I suppose it may be the case that you could sit down with a recording of me, study it, and pick out the upstrokes, but no one listening to that recording for the pleasure of listening to music would ever notice. I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree on that,which is fair enough IMO.

Inccedentally, Scott Ian has claimed to have just as heavy an upstroke on rhythm guitar as his downstroke. I say that more as an interesting bit of trivia than as a serious point though, as IMO James Hetfield’s tone is better than Ian’s. YMMV, of course.

As far as bouncing the strings off the frets go, your comment about Alex Webster gets exactly to my point; if you’re going to get your aggression and physicality from bouncing the string off the frets (a technique I’ve suggested here on TB to fingerstyle players trying to sound more aggressive) then it doesn’t make much sense to me to use a pick. It seems to me you’d be better off using your fingers and be better able to shift gears to slapping or to a softer fingerstyle tone. I’ll admit though, I’m not 100% sure I’m understanding the exact way he’s attacking the string; I hadn’t really viewed my post as a particularly serious critique so I hadn’t been as rigorous about the details as I would have been if I were claiming that the guy sucks. He clearly doesn’t suck, I personally like his tone, so I see no real need to get super serious critiquing him.

I hope my point of view on this is a little bit clearer now.
 
Hammet downstrokes the fire out of most riffs - it is part of the sound.

As previously mentioned downpicking a line gives a different feel not necessarily a vastly different tone.

I went round and round with alternate picking vs downstrokes on many tunes; mandolin and flatpicked guitar. There IS a difference no matter how solid the picking technique.

You can practice up and down strokes for years and a totally downpicked line will still have a different feel.
 
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Which album did they program the drums for? Was it Catch33, Obzen or Koloss? Or one of the earlier ones?

If I had to make a wild guess I'd guess Catch 33

Yep, Catch 33.

Koloss was actually recorded live from the floor with the full band, which is totally bonkers.
 
OK, it's on, bro!
Always happy to listen to anything you post :thumbsup:
Well you and everyone else prepare to get happy!

Pick Downstrokes vs. Down/Up---Can You Tell?

This is a blind test thread I just did where I played downstrokes vs down/up with a pick. I believe you can practice down/up till it sounds just like your downstrokes, and some, including our good pal MDBass, disagree with me. Hard to argue with a very well-respected seriously working member of our little group here, but I'm doing it. So check it out, listen to my tracks, and vote and comment!
 
I thought I was pretty clear that I think Nolly gets a great sound, regardless of my subjective feelings about how he gets it. If not, I’ll say it straight out: Nolly has a great sound. I actually really like his tone, much moreso than most modern metal Darkglass-using bassists I’ve heard. If I thought the guy sucked I would come out and say so.

Regarding downpicking, guitar and bass guitar are different animals, in no small part because guitarists are usually playing chords; they are literally striking the strings in a different order on their upstroke. That’s why I threw in a caveat for 8-string players. A better comparison would be to Kirk Hammet; admittedly I don’t spend a lot of time studying Hammet’s right hand technique, but I assume he uses double picking. He can do that easily and still sound good because he’s playing single notes. Similarly, for a bassist not playing chords or an 8/12-string the only difference between their upstroke and downstroke is how they attack the string, and IMO theres’ no good reason a dedicated pick player shouldn’t have an upstroke that is, for any reasonably practical purposes, just as aggressive as their downstroke. There’s just no physical reason for it. I can do it and I don’t think I’m a particularly exceptional player. I suppose it may be the case that you could sit down with a recording of me, study it, and pick out the upstrokes, but no one listening to that recording for the pleasure of listening to music would ever notice. I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree on that,which is fair enough IMO.
Burt, I not only agree with you, I'll go you one better. I believe that for anyone to tell the difference between downstrokes and down/up on guitar or 8 string bass when someone who's practiced down/up is playing, they have to have an insanely good musical ear and sit down with the track in isolation to be able to tell the difference. Otherwise, I think it happens so quickly that that's the only way to tell. I certainly have been fooled before by guitarists I think are doing downstrokes only, only to see them play live and they're doing down/up, or they're doing both and I can't tell a difference sonically.

Anyway, for those of you who disagree with Burt and me, put your ears where your mouth is...I put myself on the line, and you should, too.

Pick Downstrokes vs. Down/Up---Can You Tell?
 
Well you and everyone else prepare to get happy!

Pick Downstrokes vs. Down/Up---Can You Tell?

This is a blind test thread I just did where I played downstrokes vs down/up with a pick. I believe you can practice down/up till it sounds just like your downstrokes, and some, including our good pal MDBass, disagree with me. Hard to argue with a very well-respected seriously working member of our little group here, but I'm doing it. So check it out, listen to my tracks, and vote and comment!

Well that was quick!

I’ll give it a listen when we get to SLC.
 
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SLC...party central...for Utah :D How long is this run of shows?

Fortunately, I was still set up from recording tracks for an album I'm doing, so I just had to plug in and go.

Have fun in Utah!

We’ve been out since July 12th, this will be the 42nd show: lots of fun, everyone has been great.
 
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Geddy plucks with one finger to get note-to-note consistency and equal attack = worshipped as bass god.

Nolly plays plectrum with downstrokes to get note-to-note consistency and equal attack = BURN THE PEASANT VILLAGE!!!

You guys are the best! Don't go changin'!

Lol, I actually find it really bizarre that Geddy uses that flamenco technique instead of using a pick. Doesn't make him any less phenomenal, or change the fact that his tone is one of my favorites ever. I use his Sansamp pedal as my preamp. Someone better call the lynch mob since that evidently means I think Geddy sucks. :P
 
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That's a long-ass run! My wife would never stand for it unless I flew her in every other week :D

Yep, longest one I’ve ever done by a few weeks actually: I flew back once for a session, and she flew out for our AZ shows.

She was really busy prepping for a fitness competition, otherwise she probably would have flown out again.
 
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Geddy plucks with one finger to get note-to-note consistency and equal attack = worshipped as bass god.

Nolly plays plectrum with downstrokes to get note-to-note consistency and equal attack = BURN THE PEASANT VILLAGE!!!

You guys are the best! Don't go changin'!
For me it's way less about technique choice and way more about hand and wrist health. Playing with one finger isn't going to cause anyone to need hand/wrist surgery. Playing downstrokes only with a pick certainly can cause someone to need hand/wrist surgery. Maybe you can get away with it for a while. I did. Then around when I hit 40 it was all over. Didn't even want to play with a pick when it started. Then I learned how Carol Kaye does it, and since then, I can play all night with a pick and be totally pain free.
 
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