Not tolerated as a musician

[garp]

My dad was a big yacht rocker. He loved Christopher Cross and what not.

+1.

"Oh, the canvas can do miracles
Just you wait and see."
– C.C., 1980

Not all of us journeymen get to choose our destinies. Much of what I play these days makes me cringe, but it pays my overhead and then some, and at the end of the day, that's what really matters.

 

[Ric5]

I'm stuck at "yacht rock" ballad. I can offer nothing of value.
Am I allowed to put "yacht" in front of any genre? That would be a game changer.

Yacht Punk

Yacht Metal

Yacht Blues

or Yacht music

 

[Ric5]

 

[MDBass]

This is strictly a rhetorical question, but what do you do with yourself when involved with musicians who aren't interested in stretching their abilities? I got dressed down tonight for suggesting the drummer withfrain from a 4/4 rock beat over the top of a "yacht rock" ballad. Got downright hateful about it. Of course theres more to the story, and I don't feel like vomiting it all out here tonight...

The only question for me is do I stick to it and play the gigs (they stay booked regularly), or do I go out and have fun playing with guys who work less often but play with passion and spontenaity and have some real fun?

Like I said, rhetorical, but wondering if others hold their nose and collect the steady work?

Money, Music, Hang: you need at least two for the gig to be worth your time.

Playing lame music with ******** for good money? Pass.

 

[mikewalker]

Oh wait, so anything in 6/8 automatically becomes a YACHTSMAN song? One of my drummers back in high school ( the one with the flashpots) wrote a memorable instrumental sailing ditty in 6/8. I still remember it to this day...

dah dah dah DAH
dah dah dah DAH
dah dah dah DAAAH DAH
dah dah dah DAH...

yep

 

[Jimmy4string]

You guys dont know Yacht rock?! There is a whole Youtube series on that.
My favorite of the Genre is "What a fool Believes" by the Doobie bros
Wear your cap'n hat and bust out some champagne and WHAMO! Your in YR Nirvana !
That Van Halen picture sevral pages back looks staged no way is David Lee sitting still that long

 

[dreamadream99]

Thought I'd lend 2 opinions to clarify 2, thus far, confusing terms:

1. Withfrain. This is clearly a made up word, that takes the best of "withhold" and "refrain". It means to cease.
2. Yacht Rock is the kind of rock music that is acceptable at a society gig. So no hair, no profanity—soft rock, non-threatening, Hall & Oates/Air Supply type stuff.

 

[mikewalker]

No Steely Dan?

 

[Space Pickle]

was it margaritaville

 

[Rompin Roddy]

Exactly - sounds to me like the drummer was playing a cover song the right way and the OP suggested he play something different so the OP can "play with passion and 'spontenaity' and have some real fun".

The OP was surprised the drummer didn't feel the same way. And somehow this is seen as a problem with the drummer.

I didn't even realize this, but it's certainly a possibility. We really need the full story.

 

[acleex38]

No Steely Dan?

Based on my Steely Dan concert experience about two years ago, "YES, Steely Dan." Based on the audience if not the music.

 

[Deleted member 165050]

This is strictly a rhetorical question, but what do you do with yourself when involved with musicians who aren't interested in stretching their abilities? I got dressed down tonight for suggesting the drummer withfrain from a 4/4 rock beat over the top of a "yacht rock" ballad. Got downright hateful about it. Of course theres more to the story, and I don't feel like vomiting it all out here tonight...

The only question for me is do I stick to it and play the gigs (they stay booked regularly), or do I go out and have fun playing with guys who work less often but play with passion and spontenaity and have some real fun?

Like I said, rhetorical, but wondering if others hold their nose and collect the steady work?

Tie the drummer to a chair, duck tape his eyelids open, make him watch 100+ hours of prog with at least 50% of that being drum solos by Christian Vander of Magma. He will never play 4/4 again.

 

[foolforthecity]

Whats the best sweater for cardigan metal?

Chain Mail Order is best

 

[foolforthecity]

Thought I'd lend 2 opinions to clarify 2, thus far, confusing terms:

1. Withfrain. This is clearly a made up word, that takes the best of "withhold" and "refrain". It means to cease.
2. Yacht Rock is the kind of rock music that is acceptable at a society gig. So no hair, no profanity—soft rock, non-threatening, Hall & Oates/Air Supply type stuff.

So I'm guessing "Killing In The Name" probably wouldn't fly

 

[stringthrough]

I play in a Springsteen tribute band. I don't like Springsteen's music. The band gigs about twice a month. Nuff said.

 

[Jimmy4string]

Please Withfrain from asking to define Yacht Rock.
Once you have a a drummer go 4/4 on Sara Smile you will know the meaning of hell.

 

[Ant Illington]

This is strictly a rhetorical question, but what do you do with yourself when involved with musicians who aren't interested in stretching their abilities? I got dressed down tonight for suggesting the drummer withfrain from a 4/4 rock beat over the top of a "yacht rock" ballad. Got downright hateful about it. Of course theres more to the story, and I don't feel like vomiting it all out here tonight...

The only question for me is do I stick to it and play the gigs (they stay booked regularly), or do I go out and have fun playing with guys who work less often but play with passion and spontenaity and have some real fun?

Like I said, rhetorical, but wondering if others hold their nose and collect the steady work?

Since you twice indicated that your questions are rhetorical, I am stunned by the outpouring of replies and I certainly won't answer your questions, as directed by you. Perhaps the other six pages of replies are also suggesting that you look up "rhetorical question." Perhaps you mean "hypothetical?" I know, I'm a D-bag for seeking 9th grade clarity in usage by adults.

 

[2F/2F]

I don't need to play with people who are "stretching their abilities" to enjoy myself greatly. I just need to play with people who are generally good...at at least one thing! Most of my favorite musical artists didn't "stretch" their abilities. They got really damned good at doing that one thing they're known for.

 

[rtav]

This is strictly a rhetorical question, but what do you do with yourself when involved with musicians who aren't interested in stretching their abilities?

I quit - done it twice.

If I'm not around musicians who challenge themselves and me to become a better player,then I am not in the right place.

It's part of the reason I play what I play - mostly metal prog, with some non-metal prog thrown in. I don't even listen to prog metal or own any apart from what I needed to listen to and learn. I usually listen to early prog, or the Beatles or classical music, stuff I don't normally play.

I need the challenge to keep interested, no challenge, no interest. This has been my MO for 40 years of playing.


If I werent Into the challenge thing, liked to sit back and enjoy the ride I might feel differently, but unless that band is paying my bills I can't do vanilla.

 

[HolmeBass]

I think it depends on how much of your income you depend on gigging for. If you have a day job to pay the bills, might as well get into a project that is more musically fulfilling.

Of course continuing with this band AND joining another is always an option. It's a good option in my opinion.