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Now I have heard it all...

I don't think that the OP is a troll necessarily. This topic is about basses, but it could easily be in the off-topic forum due to the religious and social nature of the dialogue.

Some denominations are more attuned to symbolism and icons. I am a Catholic, so I see this firsthand. That does not mean that the Thunderbird is necessarily a poor choice. However, there are some models - maybe a Nicki Sixx or an Ironbird (because of the Iron Cross/Nazi association) - that would be seen as presenting the wrong image in a worship service. Can't say that this is the case here as the OP did not elaborate on the model she uses.

In any case, it sounds like the worship leader in question already had his or her mind made up - possibly for other reasons that can't be discerned here. This worship leader may be judging the OP on other merits.
 
If the original story is true, I wouldn't be that surprised. I've been in enough church music situations to know that plenty of people try to pass off their personal preferences as God's will. I've heard the following:
-All worship bands must have at least one acoustic guitar.
-No distortion because "the devil is the distortion of the world."
-Rock rhythms are inherently satanic.
-Everyone on a worship team should dress the same way (no reason given for this, just mania for conformity I think).
And this is all stuff that dates from the 1990s or later. I used to stick around and deal with these situations hoping it would get better, but now I really don't have the time for those who try to make a doctrine out of their own personal taste.
 
If the original story is true, I wouldn't be that surprised. I've been in enough church music situations to know that plenty of people try to pass off their personal preferences as God's will. I've heard the following:
-All worship bands must have at least one acoustic guitar.
-No distortion because "the devil is the distortion of the world."
-Rock rhythms are inherently satanic.
-Everyone on a worship team should dress the same way (no reason given for this, just mania for conformity I think).
And this is all stuff that dates from the 1990s or later. I used to stick around and deal with these situations hoping it would get better, but now I really don't have the time for those who try to make a doctrine out of their own personal taste.

Yup. Very frustrating and sometimes infuriating.

I try to remember that just like me, they are sinners with all the
flaws/tendencies. Narrowmindednes, selfishness and being full of
ourselves that comes with the territory. Hopefully by Gods grace He will continue to turn the light on our propensity for stupid and give ears to hear and eyes to see what knuckleheads we can be and help us to change as is His desire.

It is frustrating.

I am mindful of that bumper sticker that says " Jesus save me from
your followers". A lot of folks are good with Jesus but we have given them reason to not have anything to do with us.

Very sad. And something we will have to give account for some day.:(
 
I auditioned for a praise and worship band last weekend. I was told by the worship leader that i was the the best one to audition. But that my bass was ungodly.I auditioned with my epiphone thunderbird because it is my best bass. The worship leader told me it was "the most ungodly bass" he had even seen and cant have me playing that in front of the everyone. He asked if I had any other basses and I said I have a Ibanez GSR200, Squire p bass and a Samick Greg Bennett (jazz copy).
the pastors says" Im sorry those basses are not acceptable. for being such a good player I thought you would have much better basses than those. Im sorry but I'm going to have to find another bassist.

Ok so since when are basses ungodly? Why do people think that having nice basses means your a good player. Im a firm believer you dont have to have high end basses to have good tone?

Hand him your T-Bird. Then hand him the Ibanez. See what he says. Then tell him with all respect that he's full of $hit. Then walk away.
 
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I auditioned for a praise and worship band last weekend. I was told by the worship leader that i was the the best one to audition. But that my bass was ungodly.I auditioned with my epiphone thunderbird because it is my best bass. The worship leader told me it was "the most ungodly bass" he had even seen and cant have me playing that in front of the everyone. He asked if I had any other basses and I said I have a Ibanez GSR200, Squire p bass and a Samick Greg Bennett (jazz copy).
the pastors says" Im sorry those basses are not acceptable. for being such a good player I thought you would have much better basses than those. Im sorry but I'm going to have to find another bassist.

Ok so since when are basses ungodly? Why do people think that having nice basses means your a good player. Im a firm believer you dont have to have high end basses to have good tone?

I have not read the whole thread. I just find this hilarious. Stupid beyond comprehension...
 
My main Thunderbird is totally beat up, and I've played it at church a bunch of times. Even been webcasted. My last two churches seem to be playing off the fact that I look freaky, as a way to connect with the younger crowd. Haven't gotten a single complaint about my basses being "ungodly", even though it frightens the old people!!
 
I try to remember that just like me, they are sinners with all the
flaws/tendencies. Narrowmindednes, selfishness and being full of
ourselves that comes with the territory. Hopefully by Gods grace He will continue to turn the light on our propensity for stupid and give ears to hear and eyes to see what knuckleheads we can be and help us to change as is His desire.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, I've just discovered that I'm not the one to stick in these situations any more.
 
There's all kinds of stupid out there. Some of it falls under the umbrella of mass religion. Some of it is demonstrated aptly by those who claim immunity to the first kind of stupid by virtue of their ability to scoff at it. It warms my heart, and gives me faith in our ability to come together as a people, to see both kinds here, in this thread. Only by acknowledging and embracing our shared stupidity can we hope to make it as a nation (+Canada and other places) through these divisive times.

Go Team.
 
I can see that a pastor might think a T-Bird doesn't have the right "look"—whatever that is.

Who among the masses would KNOW the difference between a "real" Fender and a Squier? To the average person they look and sound the same.

This thread has gone on so long, the veracity of the original post hardly matters—it's the proverbial awful car wreck—though I could believe the original post....
 
My very first audition was to play in my church's P&W band. I'd only been playing for about 10 months and while I had practiced enough to play the songs, it was my ability to read the music and "speak the language" that was my biggest problem.

I live in Nashville, and the church I attend is recognized as being one of the best churches in town for music. Our music pastor is an awarding winning musician, singer, and songwriter even charting a #1 song on the country charts back in the 90's.

He was very honest with me, and told me to keep working. I appreciated his honesty, but perhaps your pastor wan't good at rejecting people and came up with a flimsy excuse of the bass being "ungodly". I don't know all the factors, but there is no doubt that a church is a business. Period. I go to worship, and cultivate my relationship with God, but the church and it's staff has a mission to keep the church running, and expand its membership.

When I've had the privilege to participate in the worship service, it was never a "gig" or "performance" to me. It was worship, and it always made me feel more connected to God. But to many, the service is a performance. It's about getting butts in the seats and dollars in the collection plate. Those things are vitally important to a church. There isn't anything wrong with that and I'm not being cynical. The Bible commands us to tithe.

Recently I started attending another church. I really want the opportunity to participate in the worship service, whether that is singing, playing bass, or even delivering a lesson. God has filled my heart with the desire to be a worship leader. Now I just need to find a church that will foster that and allow me to grow spiritually. It may be necessary for me to attend a smaller church that would see it as a blessing to have someone who can play an instrument, sing, and has training as a formal speaker and would be honored to speak before the congregation. It seems that most churches I've visited have an over abundance of people with talent. So much so that they put restrictions on who can participate in the worship service. I think there is something patently wrong with this, but there isn't much I can do about it.

I did finally have the opportunity to play bass in church. I answered a Craigslist ad looking for a bass player. They were very grateful to have me there, however, the church differed too much from my beliefs for me to attend church there. To me, it's not about playing bass, it's about that perfect match that meets my spiritual needs and the church's needs. I've not yet found that match, but I continue to search.

I'm not going to jump on the "your pastor is an idiot" bandwagon or throw the proverbial stone. I'm going to take the stance that the Lord works in mysterious ways. When God's plan for me includes playing bass in church, he will deliver that opportunity to me. Things happen in His time, not mine. I continue to practice daily and try to improve my skill so that when I am called, I will be ready to lend my bass or voice to the worship service to hopefully inspire and move people forward in their relationship with God.

God knows my heart, and he knows how he would like to use me. I just have to continue to pray that His will be done and be unfolded before me.

Well dang...after reading this, I guess I just did some preaching. :)

AMEN!
 

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