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Now I Remember Why I Stopped Trying To Walk...

If you are not ready to play with real players yet, and I understand that feeling, work with "minus 1" style renditions until you feel more comfortable. I've been doing a similar thing but I'm mainly working with charts and audio from the iReal Book (with their bass line turned off). I do have a friend who plays guitar and comes over sometimes to play with me, but I feel like the work I'm doing on my own helps prepare me for our sessions together. It's fun.
 
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... It’s hard as hell.

It’s so much more fun for me to groove along to a funk tune, then fumble through a jazz tune and realizing I don’t know the fingerboard or theory anywhere close to a proficient level.

But, I’m at the point in my bass journey where I need to change things up. I’ve faked my way on this instrument for too long.

I have Ed Fuqua’s “Walking Bassics” on the way (should be here Tuesday), and already have Friedland’s “Building Walking Basslines”, a handful of jazz backing tracks, some Jazz workshop courses from Scott Devine, a Ray Brown songbook, and the big, Jazz Theory Book.

I figure I’m going to start with Walking Bassics, then use Ed’s advice (and maybe Friedland’s if there’s anything to add) to improvise over Ed’s tracks. Then go through Scott Devine’s workshop to introduce me to a few standards. Then split my time improvising over the backing tracks of standards, and transcribing Ray Brown’s basslines in the book (using the book to compare notes when I’m done) and then walking over Ray’s tunes. And finally, going through The Jazz Theory Book as I transcribe other walking basslines, and walking over them. At that point, I’m going to start working on playing melodically and soloing as well.

If anyone sees any faults in this plan, or has any additional tips, I’d welcome it. Thanks in advance.

You're on exactly the right track. I can think of no better way than the one you describe. It's all about chord tones, especially on beats one and three. Just spend more time with your bass than you do with the books or videos. That's where the magic has to happen.

ADDENDUM: Just found this as well. Cool trick as long as it's not overused.
 
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Learn theory! Know your scales. Know your chords. Learn your basic chord substitutions. Learn basic progression substitutions. Learn how to walk on extended chords like +9, +5, 13th, etc. And fer gawd's sake's learn how to swing. The biggest giveaway is a guy that walks like he's driving nails.

You don't always have to hit the tonic on the downbeat. You do something like create a walk down and walk through a chord (for instance) by hitting the third first then the tonic. You don't have to play only quarter notes.


If you have a Mac, get iReal Pro and shed with it. You can export the play along minus bass as an audio file, and then import that into Garage band then play and record your bass so you can hear what you are doing..
 
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I have to think it's called walking partly because it's just as hard to do as it was when I tried it for real the first few times as a baby. It takes some repetition to get it all running smoothly.

The real important info practicing all this other stuff will get you is what notes sound good, played against what chords. It's that simple.

For some people, listening to great players in great bands is the only way to obtain this info; for others, the structured way works better.

EDIT: all the rest is practice
 
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Learn your fretboard.
Learn arpeggios for all chords along the whole neck.
Play arpeggios for each chord in Real Book chart. Work towards playing them in time & at tempo.

Get this under your belt ASAP and you can fake your way thru many a chart. It won’t be anything special but you won’t offend others and be asked to stop. Now you’re ready to play with others, so get out there and jam/gig.

Keep working your way thru the books, advice here, transcribing, etc - might take a lot longer than you first thought but keep at it until the penny drops. It’s totally worth the time & effort.
 
here's an example of progression substitutions: You are in the key of Bb. You see this: C-7 to F7 to Bb. This is called a 2 5 I or ii V7 I. But you can play a simple Bb scale starting with the second not of the scale, which is C, through all three chords. So you come across two measures of Bb.. You can play a C-7 to F7 to Bb.

There is this tune called Cloudburst.

It's a B word because you have to walk at 318BPM and keep it interesting. The verse is (simplified) Bb to C- to D- to Eb them back down. But hang on, what is that? It's going up a Bb scale one chord at a time, then back down. So you can play a Bb scale but start on the Bb the first time, the second note of the scale - C the next, then the 3rd note D, then the 4th note Eb. When you get to the chorus, it's F- to Bb7 to Eb, then G- to C7 to F. What is that? It's the good old ii V7 I on a simple IV chord of Bb which is Eb, to the V chord which is F. Look at the tune and it boils down to three chords - Bb on the verse and Eb and F on the chorus.

This is why knowing your theory is so important.
 
I certainly agree with this point of view, but I’m not ready.

Last time I tried walking in a group with others, the pianist (jam leader) stopped playing, told everyone else to stop, and told me to leave if I don’t know what I’m doing. I stayed and just played roots/octaves on the 1, to avoid any musical clashes and mistakes. Thankfully that was one of the last songs anyway, but it was cut short unexpectedly - presumably by my playing.

It was humiliating of course, but I realized that I wasn’t making the experience good for him, or others. They went there to have fun, as much as I did, and my poor playing was wrecking that for them.
Go here: Free Jamey Aebersold Jazz Handbook: The "Red" Book
Download the free PDF of the Jazz Handbook, go to pages 40 and 41 and read the Charlie Parker and John Welch stories. You’ll recognize them both. It’s just 56 pages but the book’s a PhD in jazz. I use bits and pieces of it and it helps my playing and my attitude. Maybe it’ll do the same for you.

Fuqua and Friedland are both excellent teachers. Start with Walking Bassics and avoid spreading yourself thin by going many directions. You’ll be way ahead of most players if you do a few things very well instead of doing a lot of things just OK. Good luck!
 
... It’s hard as hell.

It’s so much more fun for me to groove along to a funk tune, then fumble through a jazz tune and realizing I don’t know the fingerboard or theory anywhere close to a proficient level.

But, I’m at the point in my bass journey where I need to change things up. I’ve faked my way on this instrument for too long.

I have Ed Fuqua’s “Walking Bassics” on the way (should be here Tuesday), and already have Friedland’s “Building Walking Basslines”, a handful of jazz backing tracks, some Jazz workshop courses from Scott Devine, a Ray Brown songbook, and the big, Jazz Theory Book.

I figure I’m going to start with Walking Bassics, then use Ed’s advice (and maybe Friedland’s if there’s anything to add) to improvise over Ed’s tracks. Then go through Scott Devine’s workshop to introduce me to a few standards. Then split my time improvising over the backing tracks of standards, and transcribing Ray Brown’s basslines in the book (using the book to compare notes when I’m done) and then walking over Ray’s tunes. And finally, going through The Jazz Theory Book as I transcribe other walking basslines, and walking over them. At that point, I’m going to start working on playing melodically and soloing as well.

If anyone sees any faults in this plan, or has any additional tips, I’d welcome it. Thanks in advance.


Here is how I learned to walk. First, I played written out walking bass lines. Later I was given chord charts before I understood music theory. I was also given recordings, and I learned to copy the recordings while following along in the music. I learned the patterns well enough to rehearse and perform with a university jazz band at festivals and competitions, while I was still in high school. So before I learned to read and interpret jazz chord notation, my ears and fingers had a pretty good education on how to play a good walking bass line.

We played this tune faster than the recording so you know we were not jacking around. The Band Director called it our 2-minute drill and he got us very close to playing it in two minutes, and even succeeded a few times. Obviously I spent hours and hours practicing.


When I went to college I took music theory and Solfege voice/ear training. The first three semesters of theory taught primarily the diatonic 7 chords in the Major and Minor keys. During my first semester I also bought the Real Book 5th Ed and started teaching myself to read and interpret chord symbols. I needed some help with this as there is a lot of variation is jazz chord notation, and the 6 chords in particular had a different meaning than the 6 chords I was taught in classical theory. Luckily one of the teachers was a jazz guitarist in his mid 20s who took and interest in mentoring me.

When you are learning to read and interpret chord symbols, you basically use an incremental process and take it very slow. Pick an easy song that doesn't have a lot of altered harmony like All of Me. Start with one chord and go as slow as you need to think about the chord tones you can play. At this point don't worry about tempo or playing in time. Focus on the right notes. Ignore the instrument for the moment and spell out the chord. Then build simple walking lines that use only the chord tones. Start with very simple lines like 1155, 1355, etc. When you are first starting, focus on the triad and don't even worry about the 7th. You can add that 7th later as you get more comfortable. If you listen to old music, this is pretty much how swing bass lines evolved.

When you get comfortable, move on to the second chord and do the same thing. When you have the second chord figured out, loop the two chords so you can learn how to transition from the first chord to the second. Now move on to the next chord and continue the process, etc.

As you get the necessary concepts under your fingers. Start trying to play a simple walking line at a slow, consistent tempo.

I think of walking lines as either arpeggiated or linear. Arpeggiated lines pretty much use just the chord tones, but you don't always have to start on the root. So the next step is to work on some chord inversions. Root position starts on the root of the chord and stacks the tones in 3rds (1357). 1st inversion starts on 3 (3,5,7,1) 2nd inversion starts on 5 (5,7,1,3). 3rd inversion starts on 7 (7,1,3,5).

Take these ideas as slow as necessary to work through them on your bass, playing them both up and down the neck. Eventually you will develop mental short cuts where you see a chord, hear a sound in your mind, and your fingers know what to do; so you don't think about the actual notes all the time. But for now you need to think about the note names. In reality you develop multiple ways of thinking about the same thing. You can spell out a min 7th chord and think about the notes names, or you can think about the spatial relationship of the different finger patterns on the fret board (box patterns).

Linear lines involve playing none chords tones between the chord tones. For example you might play 1,2,3,4 or 5,1,2,3. If you play these particular patterns, you should hear that they can lead your ear in a particular direction. I held linear for last because in some ways it's a more difficult type of line to master. In order to play the correct none chord tones, you have to know where your key center is and how the chord is functioning, and that is often difficult or even ambiguous in jazz.

When I am playing a walking line I like to move back and fourth between arpeggiated and linear lines and even play lines that would be hybrids.

A few rules: Normally you typically play chord tones on 1 and 3, and place a slight rhythmic emphasis on 2 and 4. You also typically play the root on 1 very frequently. When you get more advanced you can learn how to break these rules, but keep in mind the bass is the glue that is expected to hold the rest of the musicians together. If you break the rules too much, you will probably get the stink eye from other musicians.

Consider transcribing the bass lines in one or more of these recordings...you could write them out or just learn to play them by ear.



 
Here is how I learned to walk. First, I played written out walking bass lines. Later I was given chord charts before I understood music theory. I was also given recordings, and I learned to copy the recordings while following along in the music. I learned the patterns well enough to rehearse and perform with a university jazz band at festivals and competitions, while I was still in high school. So before I learned to read and interpret jazz chord notation, my ears and fingers had a pretty good education on how to play a good walking bass line.

We played this tune faster than the recording so you know we were not jacking around. The Band Director called it our 2-minute drill and he got us very close to playing it in two minutes, and even succeeded a few times. Obviously I spent hours and hours practicing.


When I went to college I took music theory and Solfege voice/ear training. The first three semesters of theory taught primarily the diatonic 7 chords in the Major and Minor keys. During my first semester I also bought the Real Book 5th Ed and started teaching myself to read and interpret chord symbols. I needed some help with this as there is a lot of variation is jazz chord notation, and the 6 chords in particular had a different meaning than the 6 chords I was taught in classical theory. Luckily one of the teachers was a jazz guitarist in his mid 20s who took and interest in mentoring me.

When you are learning to read and interpret chord symbols, you basically use an incremental process and take it very slow. Pick an easy song that doesn't have a lot of altered harmony like All of Me. Start with one chord and go as slow as you need to think about the chord tones you can play. At this point don't worry about tempo or playing in time. Focus on the right notes. Ignore the instrument for the moment and spell out the chord. Then build simple walking lines that use only the chord tones. Start with very simple lines like 1155, 1355, etc. When you are first starting, focus on the triad and don't even worry about the 7th. You can add that 7th later as you get more comfortable. If you listen to old music, this is pretty much how swing bass lines evolved.

When you get comfortable, move on to the second chord and do the same thing. When you have the second chord figured out, loop the two chords so you can learn how to transition from the first chord to the second. Now move on to the next chord and continue the process, etc.

As you get the necessary concepts under your fingers. Start trying to play a simple walking line at a slow, consistent tempo.

I think of walking lines as either arpeggiated or linear. Arpeggiated lines pretty much use just the chord tones, but you don't always have to start on the root. So the next step is to work on some chord inversions. Root position starts on the root of the chord and stacks the tones in 3rds (1357). 1st inversion starts on 3 (3,5,7,1) 2nd inversion starts on 5 (5,7,1,3). 3rd inversion starts on 7 (7,1,3,5).

Take these ideas as slow as necessary to work through them on your bass, playing them both up and down the neck. Eventually you will develop mental short cuts where you see a chord, hear a sound in your mind, and your fingers know what to do; so you don't think about the actual notes all the time. But for now you need to think about the note names. In reality you develop multiple ways of thinking about the same thing. You can spell out a min 7th chord and think about the notes names, or you can think about the spatial relationship of the different finger patterns on the fret board (box patterns).

Linear lines involve playing none chords tones between the chord tones. For example you might play 1,2,3,4 or 5,1,2,3. If you play these particular patterns, you should hear that they can lead your ear in a particular direction. I held linear for last because in some ways it's a more difficult type of line to master. In order to play the correct none chord tones, you have to know where your key center is and how the chord is functioning, and that is often difficult or even ambiguous in jazz.

When I am playing a walking line I like to move back and fourth between arpeggiated and linear lines and even play lines that would be hybrids.

A few rules: Normally you typically play chord tones on 1 and 3, and place a slight rhythmic emphasis on 2 and 4. You also typically play the root on 1 very frequently. When you get more advanced you can learn how to break these rules, but keep in mind the bass is the glue that is expected to hold the rest of the musicians together. If you break the rules too much, you will probably get the stink eye from other musicians.

Consider transcribing the bass lines in one or more of these recordings...you could write them out or just learn to play them by ear.





Great post here, Wasnex!
 
There are all sorts of methods for learning walking bass and many great players to copy. Use what works for you.

At its heart, bass walking is musical composition in real time. Train you fingers to play the notes you hear in your head.

Learn to play what you sing.
 
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I find walking to be very easy if you don't over think it.

IMHO it depends on how complicated the harmony is. If I am learning a new tune and the harmony has lots of alterations, I still start slowly and work out the note names of the alterations and implied extensions. It can takes a couple of weeks for me to play in a complicated tune really well.

Maybe it would be easier if I had a better education, but I have read long and interesting threads where doctors of music argue over chord analysis. Perhaps a true master would be able to move from one harmonic analysis of a progression to another while playing.

If the harmony is more diatonic in nature, I can typically sight read it with no problems.

In real world playing situations, I rarely came across chord charts that I could not read through, but there were a few that greatly benefited from in-depth analysis and study.
 
Walking isn't that hard. I'm certainly not great at it, but I can get by and fool people who don't know any better that I actually know what Im doing. ;)

Really the whole "trick" to the jazz thing and tools of that genre is to immerse yourself in it. Listen to it, figure out what other players did on recordings either through transcriptions or using your ear, and get together with people who play that stuff better than you do as they will tell you what your doing wrong, sometimes not so nicely either...bring your thick skin.