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oh yes - I have no problem with ZVEX charging whatever they want, but it baffles me how anyone could justify buying some of his pedals!!
Anyway, I'm saving up for a T-16
The Mutron can't do a lot more. It can't do anything that the T-65 can't.
(and as you know I am the biggest freaking fanboy of Mike Beigel on the planet and would never want to dissuade someone from a Mutron)
The Mutron is a very cool octave down with a clean blend and then the Dan Armstrong Ringer as an octave up. There is very little flexibility of tone - you either love what it does or you don't.
Without the octave up, I can get my T-16 to cop a perfect Mu-Tron with the filter around 10-11pm. Move that to 1-2pm and I have a nearly perfect OC-2. Move it all the way and it's totally unique.
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I use the octave up on the T-65 and the Mutron to bring some definition to the sound and cut through a bit better. The T-16 has the filter which helps achieve this.
My conclusion - looking also at the others you mentioned - if octave up is important to you, I would get the T65. If not, then I would get the T-16.
Otherwise, get something COMPLETELY different. And I am sure you will still be psyched.
Otherwise, get something COMPLETELY different. And I am sure you will still be psyched.
I gotta say, I haven't really considered getting an octave pedal before hearing that, cool synth-y sounds, though I'd definitely not use anywhere near as much dirt.
After hearing what this pedal does, I figure I can use that in some songs we are doing.
Not probably, not maybe, but I can use that for sure.
Very cool that it's in such a small package.
After hearing what this pedal does, I figure I can use that in some songs we are doing.
Not probably, not maybe, but I can use that for sure.
Very cool that it's in such a small package.
Zach Vex didn't design the Mammoth. Some other guy designed it and Zvex licensed it or something. The designer gets part of each sale. Zvex has said that is why the price seems so high for such a simple circuit. He used to talk about it on harmonycentral years ago. If the prevalence of clones are any indication he should have lowered the price on it a long time ago though.
The t 65 is not in the picture for me but if it was the mutron would win that one. It's the Mutron after all...the one everyone else wish they had designed...or something like that.
I do like the 16 from the little I have heard of it.
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I don't know dude - I am out of ideas on octaves. The only other analog octaves I have are OC-2s (which I do love...I will not lie...freaking love the OC-2) an old Colorsound Octivider (which is killer and very unique but the definition of glitchy analog octave) and then the Mu-Tron where I have an original and then the reissue - and love them both.
The difference with the T-16 and the filter that I have been noticing (and I never tried by T65 like this before - I have no idea why but I don't think I really understood the genius of the filter then) is that it allows me to not have to worry quite so much about technique when playing an analog octave.
Check out @Proton Lenny's pedal demos. He has one for an OC-2. My OC-2s have never sounded quite that good. And it's all down to technique. He mutes all the other strings removing upper harmonics and ringing that screws up the octave tracking. With the filter all the way up, its like you get rid of some of that crap and it allows things to track better. It's how it felt yesterday for sure.
Someone in the pedal porn thread asked for a gut shot so I thought I'd post it here as well.
The T-16 is perfect for those who don't want the bowel movement enducing effect of a Meatbox. I would love to grab a T-16 one day.
SirMjac28
Patiently Waiting For The Next British Invasion
Dude, you've almost got me wowie-zowied. I heart my OC-2, but would I like a much smaller and lighter version of it? You betcha! But the problem is you said it does a perfect Mu-Tron but only a nearly perfect OC-2. I was thinking it did a pretty good OC-2 from the demo (although the guy doing the demo has the attention span of a gnat and won't linger on any one sound long enough to get a fix on it). So what makes it nearly perfect instead of perfect? Feel free to illustrate with any recorded comparos.
You people are evil!
I have to get a few checks ahead of the holidays and the $700 worth of household repairs we just did first. Plus it does not hurt my feelings even a little to stay with the OC-2 if a smaller pedal can't deliver in every way. It's big for a small pedal but it's not an SVT. I bought a lot of pedals this year (for me, that is) and I've quit using over half of them. Last thing I need is to buy another one that just misses the mark for me.
I have to get a few checks ahead of the holidays and the $700 worth of household repairs we just did first. Plus it does not hurt my feelings even a little to stay with the OC-2 if a smaller pedal can't deliver in every way. It's big for a small pedal but it's not an SVT. I bought a lot of pedals this year (for me, that is) and I've quit using over half of them. Last thing I need is to buy another one that just misses the mark for me.
There is nothing about this that misses the mark on an Oc-2 jimmy. I said, nearly perfect because it's tough to match that glitchiness sometimes. Same thing with the Mutron. The filter affects both tracking and tone so while for tone you may want the filter at say 2pm, it will track better there than the Oc-2 does with the same tone.
Hey guys, i just got sent a T-16 to demo, i must say its an awesome thing! video coming very shortly!
Andy
Andy
Even if I sold my OC2 and the BassBalls I'm not using, I still couldn't afford one, and I couldn't stand to be without a straight up octave pedal on my board while I waited for the T16 to arrive/ waited til I could afford one.
