Official Barefaced Bass Cab Club

[sratas]

Sorry guys, i was only answering to questions about my ideas. Sorry if I have derailed, I had to clarify things just for not being misunderstood.
Anyway, unlike what some have intended, I am a great supporter of the brand and love my big cab, my second one (first got stolen). I have a party this evening and there is a possibility I have to play with a walkabout into the BB2, never did it before, think it will be great. Good evening to all, thanks

 

[Turn Em Loose]

Dont know much about these cabs but how can you justify spending 1000+ on a 1x12 cab

I never really get these type of questions and statements.

How do I justify the purchase?
1) I'm a self-sufficient adult and can make my own decisions.
2) It's in my budget and gets me closer to the "sound in my head".
3) See #1.

 

[Turn Em Loose]

First, "slightly quieter at a given volume point on the amp" and " not able to go as loud" are two very different things.

Second, we are comparing a single BF One10 to a Ampeg 2x10.

So, I agree with Anton here, Alex's cabs DO cover a lot more if a single One10 is pretty equal to Ampeg's 2x10 volume "at the same settings" as is the case with Diaper Geni's comparison. "Slightly louder at the same volume point on the amp" means little... it does NOT necessarily mean the One10 can't go as loud as the Ampeg 2x10, it just means you will need your volume knob to be ever so slightly farther to the right to be there. ... if the Ampeg is slightly louder at a given setting, then turn the One10 up a little bit. Now, equal. Unless you run your amp at 100% volume normally, and no one does, I think it's a non-issue IMO.

Also, DG says in his comparison that the One10 is more even across all strings and all registers, and has more bottom end, than the Ampeg... yes, more bottom end on the One10 compared to a 2x10. Those two aspects are way more important to me that a slight volume difference "at a given volume setting on the amp".

To each their own of course, but...not sure why @sratas would take away from all this that the Ampeg is better and that Alex's cabs don't cover as much as he thought... unless sratas misunderstood and thought this was a comparison of the Amepeg with Barefaced's TWO10, which I don't think is the case. Now, of course, it's possible he'd prefer an Ampeg 2x10 to a BF One10 anyway, since people's opinions vary on everything/anything... but without hearing a One10, and hearing only Diaper Geni's comparison, I think it would be a mistake to arrive at that conclusion without personal experience.Just my 2 cents.

That said, there are natural limitations to any single 10" speaker no matter how awesome.

I know buying a BF cab takes, for most people, a leap of faith because you can't sit down and listen to one at your local Guitar Center. Just based on my personal experience, I'd say, don't dismiss the Barefaced and conclude something else is better/louder/whatever, until you've actually tried a Barefaced. I have heard of people who didn't seem to like the Barefaced as well as most do, so obviously there is individual variation... but I would not dismiss the BF and decide Ampeg is better having not heard the BF, or conclude the One10 won't go as loud as an Ampeg 2x10, because that is not what Diaper Geni said.

Thank you. Very well said.

I'm not dissing BF or Ampeg. Nor am I trying to say one is better or worse. I hope my wording doesn't come across as being partial to one cab or another. And my "test" was, in fact, no test at all. Just my observations from a quick A/B.

BF cabs are 'spensive. Shoot, the two Ampeg 2x10's were only $600 shipped to my door. They sound really, really good! A Two10 is more expensive, but if it the sound you're looking for and can afford it...Why not?? Or if you can get by with a One10 instead of a Ampeg 2x10...Then the One10 is a bargain.

I plan on taking the One10 and a SVT210-AV to a full band practice this afternoon. I'll report back.

I did gig the One10 with my upright last night in a very large, cavernous room full of drunk young doctors and residents. Just acoustic piano and me. VERY nice bottom end on this little thing. The cab was on the floor on my bass side (left side). Again, the notes just pop out of the One10 (and SM) and I do not play, physically, as hard as I do with other cabs. Which is good as it was a 4 hour gig and my hands can get pretty tired after 3.5-ish hours of actual playing time on upright.

 

[JxBass]

I never really get these type of questions and statements.

How do I justify the purchase?
1) I'm a self-sufficient adult and can make my own decisions.
2) It's in my budget and gets me closer to the "sound in my head".
3) See #1.

+1.

And would the OP pay $1000 for a good 2x12 or 410? If so, what if the 1x12 was every bit as good as the 2x12/4x10 but much smaller and lighter?

 

[Turn Em Loose]

I'll be interested to hear how they compare at more representative levels - when things are quiet the human ear is rather bad at hearing lows and pretty bad at hearing highs, so a more midrangey tone will be louder at low SPL. We spent some time with a 210AV back when our Two10 was quite new and I wouldn't say our 10CR drivers were darker, they have more treble extension and clarity but less midrange.

Agreed on the volume thing.

Hmmmm...Maybe my "treble" is your "midrange"? Probably the case. I'll keep that in mind. And I'll defer to @alexclaber's definition of frequency response.

Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. I'm on the hunt for a less hi-fi tone and the Ampeg and BF 10 cabs seem to be the no-brainer contestants.

If I can afford both, then I'll get me a Two10 to use alone or with the One10 AND keep my Ampeg stack!!

 

[Dave W]

Dont know much about these cabs but how can you justify spending 1000+ on a 1x12 cab

They do what other 2X12's do

 

[Turn Em Loose]

I'm such a dumbass. I didn't bring a Speakon to 1/4" so couldn't use the Ampeg.

 

[N. Kentucky Bass]

I'm such a dumbass. I didn't bring a Speakon to 1/4" so couldn't use the Ampeg.

Darn, too bad you had to put up with that Barefaced cab.

 

[Turn Em Loose]

Darn, too bad you had to put up with that Barefaced cab.

First world problems!

 

[P_Robyn]

I'm such a dumbass. I didn't bring a Speakon to 1/4" so couldn't use the Ampeg.

Couldn't you just have used 1/4" to 1/4"? I can do that with my Big Twin II.

 

[TMARK]

Dont know much about these cabs but how can you justify spending 1000+ on a 1x12 cab

Justify? Like in a moral sense?

 

[P_Robyn]

Justify? Like in a moral sense?

Well, the boutique bass cabs of the world must be owned by someone. If nobody buys them, they will eventually become extinct. So those willing to make the noble sacrifice will purchase said bass cabs, thereby not only ensuring their continued existence but also relieving others of more modest financial means of the duty to purchase said boutique bass cabs and allowing them to spend their money on objects they may deem more useful/practical/worthwhile.

 

[John D Harris]

Well, the boutique bass cabs of the world must be owned by someone. If nobody buys them, they will eventually become extinct. So those willing to make the noble sacrifice will purchase said bass cabs, thereby not only ensuring their continued existence but also relieving others of more modest financial means of the duty to purchase said boutique bass cabs and allowing them to spend their money on objects they may deem more useful/practical/worthwhile.

"duty to purchase" is the manufacturer of said boutique bass cabs your father-in-law or what?



j/k

 

[P_Robyn]

"duty to purchase" is the manufacturer of said boutique bass cabs your father-in-law or what?



j/k

I couldn't find the 'tongue-in-cheek' emoji to add to the end of my post.

 

[alexclaber]

My opinions are only constructed upon reviews and other opinions of guys who own or have gigged the two cabs, and there is some common sense that the hybrid resonator of your cabs do extend the lows and that the cabs are quite deep compared to others.

This is the problem with reviews and opinions, especially when expressed in words rather than sound, and further made more difficult by different languages. Our 10CR cabs roll off like sealed cabs, but they can handle a lot more power and have more efficiency than a sealed cab due to the hybrid resonator.

 

[sratas]

You are probably right on your 10cr cabs, but this time I don't want to oder to try and I prefer to choose before buying, in the old manner by bringing my gear to a shop to A/B different tones because a coloured cab can be a challenge to find. Sincerely, i don't think this way is so difficult to understand. If you prefer, i can tell you something more trough a PM since this solution could be preferable for both

 

[alexclaber]

You are probably right on your 10cr cabs, but this time I don't want to oder to try and I prefer to choose before buying, in the old manner by bringing my gear to a shop to A/B different tones because a coloured cab can be a challenge to find. Sincerely, i don't think this way is so difficult to understand. If you prefer, i can tell you something more trough a PM since this solution could be preferable for both

Feel free to email! The PM system here usually results in messages being missed or forgotten because we have no way to organise them.

 

[jthisdell]

Justify? Like in a moral sense?

Well, for one thing the boutique makers are all small companies that do not manufacture in developing or third world countries using cheap labor. So buying Aquilar employs techs in NYC, Bergantino in Massachusetts, Barefaced in England. And I think these boutique companies spend far more of their revenue on R&D producing the next generation of still-better cabs. The new products from Berg in the last couple years are way more innovative than say Fender or Ampeg.

 

[Tim1]

Hey Plutonium, I will be very interested in hearing how you super midget combines with the BB2. Like you I am fast becoming a total Barefaced fanboy and am seriously considering adding a BB2 and super midget. My motives are purely hedonistic and selfish as the Four 10 does most things for me.
I just want a BB2 and a sensible option to convert it to a BT2 if necessary so the super midget or super compact would I suppose answer that call.
One other question to put out there - this will be my lighter rig and I would leave the tube heads out of it. I have the opportunity to buy a used GKMB800 but am not sure whether it would be too "solid state" for me. I cannot find a new or used MB Fusion 800 but can relatively easily source a TecAmp Puma 900. The other, considerably more expensive, temptation is a Jules Tardis. Oh and the Mesa Subway 800 is available here too.
Don't know exactly when I will be able to do all this but any advice is appreciated.

 

[TMARK]

Hey Plutonium, I will be very interested in hearing how you super midget combines with the BB2. Like you I am fast becoming a total Barefaced fanboy and am seriously considering adding a BB2 and super midget. My motives are purely hedonistic and selfish as the Four 10 does most things for me.
I just want a BB2 and a sensible option to convert it to a BT2 if necessary so the super midget or super compact would I suppose answer that call.
One other question to put out there - this will be my lighter rig and I would leave the tube heads out of it. I have the opportunity to buy a used GKMB800 but am not sure whether it would be too "solid state" for me. I cannot find a new or used MB Fusion 800 but can relatively easily source a TecAmp Puma 900. The other, considerably more expensive, temptation is a Jules Tardis. Oh and the Mesa Subway 800 is available here too.
Don't know exactly when I will be able to do all this but any advice is appreciated.

Demeter Bass 400 or the 800. They have that warmth similar to the Super Bassman.