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I am nothing if not thorough (read: "anal") but over the last three months I have gone around and around on these four cabs trying to decide which one(s) to buy, and I need some suggestions!

Background: I'm a variety player covering classic rock, country and blues. No doom metal or Slayer or even GnR, occasional ACDC, maybe a little Nugent or Freebird, but a lot of middle stuff like Bad Co and Brown Eyed Girl, with healthy doses of Strait, Jones and Merle. So, in other words, I don't have to keep up with a ham-fisted drummer and mostly have FoH support, but sometime I do not and it's usually a big outdoor wedding gig. That's the parameters, now to the list...

Weight
Note: All B/F cabs, when compared to old school, are very light, but some are lighter than others. I want to keep the weight for each cab under 30 lbs
One10: 15 lbs (cloth) The holy grail for weight!
Two10: 28 lbs (cloth) Good weight! Currently using Ampeg SVT210AV cabs at 26 lbs.
Super Compact: 21.5 lbs (cloth) Great weight!
Big Baby II: 26 lbs (cloth) Better than Two10, worse than the SC, same as SVT210AV. I'm good with this.


Height
Note: I'm 6'4", I need to hear the sound coming into my ears, not onto my ankles!
One10: 15" H x 2 = 30" Stacked, still no sound in ear-hole. Too short.
Two10: 24" H x 2 = 48" Great height!
Super Compact: 22" H x 2 = 44" Not as good as Two10, but not too shabby. Really depends on the dispersion angles.
Big Baby II: 22" H x 2 = 44" Not as good as Two10, but not too shabby. Really depends on the dispersion angles.


Modular
Note: Would like a single cab solution for most gigs, but can easily add-to for larger ones
One10: 250W Could only use one for duos and quiet cocktail gigs, 70% would require at least two. And 25% would require three (+2 ohm capable head, but three would be 45" H!)
Two10: 500W About 50/50 using one versus two.
Super Compact: 600W About 50/50 using one versus two.
Big Baby II: 800W Might be a single cab solution. If so, height would be the only drawback.


Horns and Tweeters
I'm old school and never use them. Always off.

One10: No Prob. Woofer only
Two10: No Prob. Woofer only
Super Compact: No Prob. Woofer only
Big Baby II: Does the Horn/crossover add weight and cost? One consideration, this cab would be prepared if my tastes change in the future and like a hifi sound.

If you've read this far you have my thanks, if you respond, you have my gratitude!
 
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map34157 said:
Might I suggest something that's not on your list? How about a Super Twin?

The only thing is it would be 7-10lbs (cloth/grill) heavier but would achieve your goal of being loud enough, tall enough and a truly one cab solution. Perfect for whether you have FOH support or not.
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Funny but for the last four days I'm found myself in the ST camp, but I didn't add it to my list because the weight was outside the range and I thought if I added it no one would read the post for being too long! But my answer would be, yes, the ST has been a part of my thought process. And, yes, it truly would be a single cab solution (well, except for those duo cocktail hours gigs!)
 
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Would a Two10 vertical on top of a Super Compact work as a pairing?

BigEarl said:
I am nothing if not thorough (read: "anal") but over the last three months I have gone around and around on these four cabs trying to decide which one(s) to buy, and I need some suggestions!

Background: I'm a variety player covering classic rock, country and blues. No doom metal or Slayer or even GnR, occasional ACDC, maybe a little Nugent or Freebird, but a lot of middle stuff like Bad Co and Brown Eyed Girl, with healthy doses of Strait, Jones and Merle. So, in other words, I don't have to keep up with a ham-fisted drummer and mostly have FoH support, but sometime I do not and it's usually a big outdoor wedding gig. That's the parameters, now to the list...

Weight
Note: All B/F cabs, when compared to old school, are very light, but some are lighter than others. I want to keep the weight for each cab under 30 lbs
One10: 15 lbs (cloth) The holy grail for weight!
Two10: 28 lbs (cloth) Good weight! Currently using Ampeg SVT210AV cabs at 26 lbs.
Super Compact: 21.5 lbs (cloth) Great weight!
Big Baby II: 26 lbs (cloth) Better than Two10, worse than the SC, same as SVT210AV. I'm good with this.


Height
Note: I'm 6'4", I need to hear the sound coming into my ears, not onto my ankles!
One10: 15" H x 2 = 30" Stacked, still no sound in ear-hole. Too short.
Two10: 24" H x 2 = 48" Great height!
Super Compact: 22" H x 2 = 44" Not as good as Two10, but not too shabby. Really depends on the dispersion angles.
Big Baby II: 22" H x 2 = 44" Not as good as Two10, but not too shabby. Really depends on the dispersion angles.


Modular
Note: Would like a single cab solution for most gigs, but can easily add-to for larger ones
One10: 250W Could only use one for duos and quiet cocktail gigs, 70% would require at least two. And 25% would require three (+2 ohm capable head, but three would be 45" H!)
Two10: 500W About 50/50 using one versus two.
Super Compact: 600W About 50/50 using one versus two.
Big Baby II: 800W Might be a single cab solution. If so, height would be the only drawback.


Horns and Tweeters
I'm old school and never use them. Always off.

One10: No Prob. Woofer only
Two10: No Prob. Woofer only
Super Compact: No Prob. Woofer only
Big Baby II: Does the Horn/crossover add weight and cost? One consideration, this cab would be prepared if my tastes change in the future and like a hifi sound.

If you've read this far you have my thanks, if you respond, you have my gratitude!
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BigEarl said:
Funny but for the last four days I'm found myself in the ST camp, but I didn't add it to my list because the weight was outside the range and I thought if I added it no one would read the post for being too long! But my answer would be, yes, the ST has been a part of my thought process. And, yes, it truly would be a single cab solution (well, except for those duo cocktail hours gigs!)
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Or you can do what I do...

1 SC for practice and small gigs and 1 ST for bar/large gigs with no PA support :)
 
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BigEarl said:
The Two10 would be PERFECT for me if it came in 8 ohm. I would buy it flat-out. But since that pairing would produce a 12/4+8 load, I'm not an engineer but I know the unequal loads would cause more signal to go to one cab than the other.
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right, and the 10" cabs aren't able to handle the same power, nor do they have the same efficiency. if you wiggle the numbers right, you could probably figure the best-case distribution to each speaker, but i'm not going to try to speculate about what that would be. particularly since the cab voicing is so different.
 
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BigEarl said:
The Two10 would be PERFECT for me if it came in 8 ohm. I would buy it flat-out. But since that pairing would produce a 12/4+8 load, I'm not an engineer but I know the unequal loads would cause more signal to go to one cab than the other.
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A 4 ohm 210 and an 8 ohm 112 would get the same power to each individual driver though.
 
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monsterthompson said:
right, and the 10" cabs aren't able to handle the same power, nor do they have the same efficiency. if you wiggle the numbers right, you could probably figure the best-case distribution to each speaker, but i'm not going to try to speculate about what that would be. particularly since the cab voicing is so different.
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I have no experience with the SC so I'm clueless there.
 
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monsterthompson said:
right, and the 10" cabs aren't able to handle the same power, nor do they have the same efficiency. if you wiggle the numbers right, you could probably figure the best-case distribution to each speaker, but i'm not going to try to speculate about what that would be. particularly since the cab voicing is so different.
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Speaker Impedance

Looks like an 800w source going to a 12ohm/8ohm parallel rig would see
4.8 ohms
Two10 - 12ohm = 320w (or 160w per speaker)
12" - 8 ohm = 480w

800w into a 4ohm 210 and an 8ohm 12" cab would be
2.67 ohms
Two10 - 533w (split 266w per speaker)
12" - 266 w per speaker
 
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BigEarl said:
THAT'S what I'm afraid of. All those "unknowns"! Thanks MT
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My gut says the sensitivity ratings aren't that different, but I'd kinda expect the voicing and intended overdrive of the Two10 to make it present as louder. If I had a 2.67 ohm stable head, then I'd give it a try with my 210/BB2. Or, if I wasn't too lazy/apprehensive about installing the 12ohm kit in my 210 (money well spent... to sit on a shelf :)).
 
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Genzler Magellan does 2.67Ω
monsterthompson said:
If I had a 2.67 ohm stable head, then I'd give it a try with my 210/BB2. Or, if I wasn't too lazy/apprehensive about installing the 12ohm kit in my 210 (money well spent... to sit on a shelf :)).
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BigEarl said:
On the other hand, a single ST would be a great solution if it wasn't for the fact that my ears are 76" off the floor. At 29", the ST signal would be going directly into a whole other hole! :eek:
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I know what you mean. I put all my cabs either on a stand or milk crate. It helps tremendously, and, it does not lose any bottom end because it is not " coupled " to the floor, as a lot of players think. The reason they think it does is because a raised cab allows you to hear the mids and treble freqs a lot better instead of having them blow at your knees. I even used to raise my old 215 off the ground about a foot, and it made a tremendous difference. Some guys like their cabs on the floor, but I have found that I am a lot better player when I can hear myself clearly. I'm not saying the BBll needs to be raised for you to hear yourself the way you want to, but it has been my experience in 40 years of playing bass that a raised cab is the way to go, at least for me.
 
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monsterthompson said:
My gut says the sensitivity ratings aren't that different, but I'd kinda expect the voicing and intended overdrive of the Two10 to make it present as louder. If I had a 2.67 ohm stable head, then I'd give it a try with my 210/BB2. Or, if I wasn't too lazy/apprehensive about installing the 12ohm kit in my 210 (money well spent... to sit on a shelf :)).
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MT,
jnewmark said:
I know what you mean. I put all my cabs either on a stand or milk crate. It helps tremendously, and, it does not lose any bottom end because it is not " coupled " to the floor, as a lot of players think. The reason they think it does is because a raised cab allows you to hear the mids and treble freqs a lot better instead of having them blow at your knees. I even used to raise my old 215 off the ground about a foot, and it made a tremendous difference. Some guys like their cabs on the floor, but I have found that I am a lot better player when I can hear myself clearly. I'm not saying the BBll needs to be raised for you to hear yourself the way you want to, but it has been my experience in 40 years of playing bass that a raised cab is the way to go, at least for me.
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I was always under the impression that floor coupling was a major deal with bass cabs. I was even nervous that the bass police would arrest me for putting a wedge under my Epifani 410 so I could actually hear the dang thing!

I would be interested to hear from the engineers in TB regarding the realities of floor coupling. Is it just for wood stages? Does it work on concrete? Is it just an old wives tale? I might be able to go with the single ST if I can get it up off the ground!
 
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map34157 said:
Might I suggest something that's not on your list? How about a Super Twin?

The only thing is it would be 7-10lbs (cloth/grill) heavier but would achieve your goal of being loud enough, tall enough and a truly one cab solution. Perfect for whether you have FOH support or not.
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Super Twin is where I started, but when I talked about Acme and wanting to go low Alex steered me toward Big Baby and the 210.
 
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svtb15 said:
Genzler Magellan does 2.67Ω
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I don't have one but have been looking at it and it's already giving me triple cab GAS!

Seems like few Class D amps are rated for below 4 ohms. The Genzler has a switch and the power is the same at 2.67 as it is a 4. He must have some kinda magic going on inside.
 

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