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#3,661
BigEarl said:
I got my One10 and am testing it against one of the Ampeg SVT210AV cabs it is meant to replace. The biggest differences between the two that i can hear is that the One10 seems to produce a very flat response compared to the Ampeg's scooped sound. In fact the Ampeg's level of scoop is quite pronounced considering it it not ported or have a horn/tweeter. I had never really noticed the Ampeg scoop before and what the One10 is producting is gonna take a little getting used to. I will need some significant EQ tweaking to get it to "my sound" but I have no worries about it.

That said, volume aside (and it is LOUD!) I am extremely impressed with the little One10's capability to produce a wide variety of sounds. It definitely is colored as Barefaced said it would be, but it is not as "colored" as, say, an SWR is colored. It appears to be very flexible and is EXACTLY what I was looking for. It just surprises me that a head-to-head comparison between it and the Ampeg produced so much unexpected results between them. For the record I was using an MB200 and MB500 for the initial tests, then added my compressor and BDDI for EQing. I have not yet put it into the context of a full band situation, however, my feeling, from the sounds I am hearing, is that the One10 will have no problem finding a place in the mix.

So, now another question that I think I know the answer to, but i need confirmation. Will adding a second One10 significantly change the sound of the cab? And by "sound" I mean more the feeling of the cab like depth, girth, whatever, and not just volume?

Also, in my many months of research, I never found a good pic to show the size differences between the SVT210AV and the One10, so here is my contribution to that missing link online....

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An interesting and worthy comparison, thanks. I have a pair of 210AVs and also a Four 10 and this has prompted me to set up a similar comparison between the two Ampegs and the Barefaced. I have no plans to replace the 210avs as they owe me nothing and are handy to have around but the Four 10 sees most work these days (such minimal playing that I currently do given that I am in the middle of directing a show).
EDIT: I remain happy with my choice of the black metal grille, makes it much easier to match aesthetically with a variety of my tube heads and I like knowing I have that sturdy protection that will not wear. First thing I did when the Four 10 arrived was to have a cover made though.
 
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At this point I'm planning on keeping the two SVT210AV's I have because I will be using those for gigs I don't want to ta
Tim1 said:
An interesting and worthy comparison, thanks. I have a pair of 210AVs and also a Four 10 and this has prompted me to set up a similar comparison between the two Ampegs and the Barefaced. I have no plans to replace the 210avs as they owe me nothing and are handy to have around but the Four 10 sees most work these days (such minimal playing that I currently do given that I am in the middle of directing a show).
EDIT: I remain happy with my choice of the black metal grille, makes it much easier to match aesthetically with a variety of my tube heads and I like knowing I have that sturdy protection that will not wear. First thing I did when the Four 10 arrived was to have a cover made though.
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At this point I'm planning on keeping the two SVT210AV's I have because I have gigs in places I don't want to bring my good gear to (dirty barn dances, frat gigs, etc) but I am toying with swapping out the stock drivers with a pair of Eminence SC10-16's ...still won't sound as good as the Barefaced 10!
 
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BigEarl said:
I got my One10 and am testing it against one of the Ampeg SVT210AV cabs it is meant to replace. The biggest differences between the two that i can hear is that the One10 seems to produce a very flat response compared to the Ampeg's scooped sound. In fact the Ampeg's level of scoop is quite pronounced considering it it not ported or have a horn/tweeter. I had never really noticed the Ampeg scoop before and what the One10 is producting is gonna take a little getting used to. I will need some significant EQ tweaking to get it to "my sound" but I have no worries about it.

That said, volume aside (and it is LOUD!) I am extremely impressed with the little One10's capability to produce a wide variety of sounds. It definitely is colored as Barefaced said it would be, but it is not as "colored" as, say, an SWR is colored. It appears to be very flexible and is EXACTLY what I was looking for. It just surprises me that a head-to-head comparison between it and the Ampeg produced so much unexpected results between them. For the record I was using an MB200 and MB500 for the initial tests, then added my compressor and BDDI for EQing. I have not yet put it into the context of a full band situation, however, my feeling, from the sounds I am hearing, is that the One10 will have no problem finding a place in the mix.

So, now another question that I think I know the answer to, but i need confirmation. Will adding a second One10 significantly change the sound of the cab? And by "sound" I mean more the feeling of the cab like depth, girth, whatever, and not just volume?

Also, in my many months of research, I never found a good pic to show the size differences between the SVT210AV and the One10, so here is my contribution to that missing link online....

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Nice review I don't think I've ever heard of the 210av described as a scooped cabinet but we all different perceptions I guess.
 
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Plutonium244 said:
+1 to the silver grill cloth, love that classic look, and +1 to getting a cover too -- although these days I transport it in a padded LB cajon bag )Meinl makes a nice one too) which can also hold the MB200 or other small amp such as Tonehammer TH350, etc. and has a pouch for speaker and power cables. I highly recommend this, and can provide you info on the bag itself if you are interested. Makes for a one-hand carry of the entire bass rig. I still use the cover I got from BF to protect it if I am leaving it set up at home for a while, just in case the cat gets any stupid ideas. Cover would also be good if you get a 2nd one-- in which case you're not going for one-hand carry anyway, but would want to protect the cabs in transport.

One last "crazy" thing I did with mine is get a "tophat" -- a pole mount receptacle-- put in mine. I have found it useful on occasion, to get it up off the floor to better hear it or reduce floor boom, or for close monitoring situations like an orchestra pit where you just want enough level for YOU to hear. That was an extra $50, I think. Worth it to me.
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I was thinking about doing that with the second one then I could have one on the floor coupling nicely with the ground for thump and one up near my ears which are 6'4" off the floor. But trying out the one cab, the dispersion what quite nice and I no longer think I'll be doing the top hat thing. Heck I may not even have to wedge them to point up!

My only concern so far is that I will need to futz around for a while EQing them to taste under a full band condition. Seeing that Plutonium244 has advocated not being afraid to tweak the EQ as these cabs can take any kind frequency punishment you can dish out, this is only a minor concern until I get familiar with the cab. My next gig is on NYE in a big hall that does not get super loud (country music, old folks two-steppin') so I'm planning on using just the one cab and I can't wait!
 
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I prefer using volume over excessive EQ settings. That is, if it sounds like it needs more lows, sometimes it just needs to be louder. My thinking is if extreme EQ settings are required to get the sound I am trying to get, then perhaps I need to try a different amp, bass, speakers, or playing technique.

For example, when I was looking to get a new lighter head to replace my trusty boat anchor Eden that I loved, it took me trying about five different brands before I came across the one that worked for me. Same with cabinets, before I finally got to experience Barefaced cabs, I went through about five other brands.

With my setup, I mainly use amp EQ to tweak my tone for the room. Then when certain sounds or passages require it, I adjust the active EQ on my bass, or use a different right hand technique.
 
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Yesterday I ran the One10 through the gauntlet in my living room. I tried the cab out with all three of my GK heads (MB200, 500 & 800) with and without the pedals (Empress Compressor, BDDI) at moderate volumes (wife was Christmas shopping had the house to myself.)

The cab sounded best with the MB800, naturally, but i was surprised that the MB200 was a very close second, especially with the contour switch on. Those two seemed to be made for one another and now I see why so many people are combining them.
 
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anton72 said:
Interesting, I need to try mine too. My first impression of MB200 through One10 was that contour ON making the smiley EQ will not keep it present in a mix due to drastic mid cut.
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Only at the quietest of volumes do I use the contour with MB200 and One10, and even then, only rarely. I prefer to use the knobs if I want cut some mid and add some bass, because I can do it in the areas and amount I want rather than having the amp decide for me. Often, as @anton72 says, the same mid that seems nappy alone or at very low volume gigs is needed when playing within a mix, so usually I don't do much to the EQ.

And, to be clear, I did not mean to imply earlier that you need to do drastic EQ on the mix, only that you can. I don't go drastic. But I might work in the 10 oclock to 2 o'clock area, might even to go 9 o'clock to cut out a room's nappy frequency. And the only time I throw a lot more bass at it is when it's used as a low-volume "loudness" feature.

OF course it's no SVT, (but that's good right?) but for multiple reasons, the One10 + MB200 really is a very, very good pair.
 
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1954bassman said:
@anton72 your band sounds great and your tone is awesome as well. I am curious as to what format was used for audio? Was your bass recorded direct, or was everything recorded with one mic? Whatever method used, the result is quite impressive.
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Thank you sir. This is recorded on iPhone mic, nothing special ;) Still sounds impressive I agree.
 
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My go to set-up for smaller gigs is the One10 with my MBF800. The combination is fantastic though I've been tempted to pick up another MB200 for portability sake. When I owned one in the past was able to fit it and all cables in my gig bag. I rarely touch the EQ with the One10 and MBF800. Maybe a little upper mid or bass tweak but rarely beyond the 11:00 - 1:00 range
 
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Jam last night with my silly loud wrecking crew. Demeter head puts out 4oow at 8 ohms, and I was running my BB2. That box just puts out silly loud sound levels. Big, clean, accurate goodness. Responds well to EQ and pedals. Just wonderful. My singer even commented on how crazy light it was, when I asked him to carry it for me :) I ran my new Dunwich dirt boxes, and they just killed. Even The Wizard, which is a big, gnarly fuzz, with tons of lows. For a single 12" box, it sounded pretty rowdy.
 
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BigEarl said:
Yesterday I ran the One10 through the gauntlet in my living room. I tried the cab out with all three of my GK heads (MB200, 500 & 800) with and without the pedals (Empress Compressor, BDDI) at moderate volumes (wife was Christmas shopping had the house to myself.)

The cab sounded best with the MB800, naturally, but i was surprised that the MB200 was a very close second, especially with the contour switch on. Those two seemed to be made for one another and now I see why so many people are combining them.
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I finally get to gig my One10/MB200 setup this weekend. I've had the cab for about a month now, but my gigs are unfortunately infrequent these days. It's a pub gig with full PA support, so I'm looking forward to finally seeing what it can do!
 
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Man this thread has me going back and fourth. 10's never really did it for me. Perhaps the Barefaced would give me what I'm looking for.

I really want to order up a pair of BB2's but I fear it's overkill.
Is anyone regularly and effectively using two of them currently? I suppose in reality one would only need them if they had no PA support. Am I off base here?
 
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saltydude said:
Man this thread has me going back and fourth. 10's never really did it for me. Perhaps the Barefaced would give me what I'm looking for.

I really want to order up a pair of BB2's but I fear it's overkill.
Is anyone regularly and effectively using two of them currently? I suppose in reality one would only need them if they had no PA support. Am I off base here?
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One BB2 will do amazing things. I would suggest getting one for starters. And, while we are not the loudest band, generally I have no PA support for bass... but with a BB2, it kinda sounds like you do, out in the room... very full and omnipresent in all locations. If I could only have one BF cab, it would be the BB2.

You might also consider getting a BB2 and a Two10 and seeing which you like best, 10's or 12's. It'd be pretty easy to flip the one you didn't pick with minimal loss, which I call "rent". Both drivers are great IMO (I have a BB2 and Four10 and One10).

Or, maybe get a BB2 and a One10. Even if the BB2 is your thing for regular gigging, a One10 is a very amazingly versatile and light little cab. It's like a perfect utility tool that is handy in so many situations. And it'll help you hear what the 10's sound like.

I think DerekW and a few folks run 2 BB'2 all the time... I have run my BB2 and my SM together, which works great, but honestly, for my gigs, there is no real sound/performance difference between the BB2 alone and the BB2/SM stack. I could "imagine" that 2 would be nice, but it's mostly that. I have yet to experience a "need" for 2. But if you are in blow-out hearing-threatening band, then maybe 2, I guess.
 
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