Official Barefaced Bass Cab Club

[Dragonlord]

Good grief. Remember AccuGroove's AccuSwitch? All that controversy it caused was part of the reason that they went out of business on the first go-around. All those people who thought it wasn't possible, but I'll bet that they did in fact work as described.

Well, IIRC -and correct me if I'm wrong- "all that controversy" was mainly fueled by Accugroove's denial to even vaguely explain how it was working. I doubt you'll see any similar controversy about Audiokinesis' switch because they bothered to explain it.

 

[Stu_Bass]

Good grief. Remember AccuGroove's AccuSwitch? All that controversy it caused was part of the reason that they went out of business on the first go-around. All those people who thought it wasn't possible, but I'll bet that they did in fact work as described.

IIRC it turned out that the "switch" was effectively disabling one of the drivers and therefore doubling the impedance.

 

[maxmaroon]

Does a service like Transferwise work with accounts in the US?
It's dead easy to set up and the fees are lower than any bank as far as I can tell. You still need all the codes for the recipient's account/bank, 'though, but that's not hard to obtain: ask the recipient to provide them.

Pandamidi used Transferwise when I ordered the Future Impact pedal (US - Hungary). IIRC, the first transfer is free when you sign up so it didn't cost anything and everything was easy with no issues.

 

[anton72]

I've tested my One10 with Mesa D800 today and I can say One10 can really handle some load very well. It may lack some "heft" typical for larger boxes cabs and it is natural considering its size. Would you expect the same low end as the bigger 210 and 410 cabs have with this lunchbox-sized cab? Of course not. But it really sounds much bigger than you'd expect from any cab of this size AND weight.

 

[anton72]

Anybody has Two10+One10 stack? Wonder how will 4 Ohm Two10 and One10 fire together at 2 Ohm load of my D800...

 

[BigEarl]

Anybody has Two10+One10 stack? Wonder how will 4 Ohm Two10 and One10 fire together at 2 Ohm load of my D800...

I asked Alex this same question a few weeks back and he said he thought the output increase would be negligible (remember, doubling the surface area of the drivers will only deliver a 3db gain in volume) since adding one 10" to an existing two 10"s you would only be increasing the surface area by 50% instead of actually doubling. That said, I'm sure there would be little impact to the actual sound.

Also, an 8 ohm One10 and a 4 ohm Two10 would produce a 2.68 load, so your 2 ohm D800 would have sufficient head room.

 

[ahc]

Anyone ever try an Ampeg PF50T with a Barefaced One10? If so, what did you think?

 

[Plutonium244]

Anyone ever try an Ampeg PF50T with a Barefaced One10? If so, what did you think?

I have. It's a pretty good combination IMO. The Barefaced 10's shine with all-tube heads it seems.

I like the tone of a PF-50T but it's harder to EQ IMO; less control as the tube sound is the tube sound, mostly. Usually that's great but sometimes not. What is your experience?I am relatively new to the all-tube amp world.

There's one room that I can't use the PF50T apparently (had tried with both a One10 and SM) since the overbearing frequencies in the room happen to align with the main "heft" of the Ampeg and the EQ is less effective in dialing that freq down. But that's more a 50T thing than One10 thing to be sure.

I've used the PF with good results in other rooms with both the One10 and SM, and certainly the PF + One10 combo has sounded great at home. The Four10 also sounds good with the PF-50T. Caveat, I haven't gigged the PF-50T more than 6-7 times so far, having used One10, Four10, and SM with it.

Odd and ends: The feet of the PF-50T just barely fit down the side of the One10, so it actually sits down fairly snugly on there despite the size of the head relative to the box. It might eventually leave a little rub mark on the side of the cab (from the feet).

If you have and like the PF-50T, you will like it a lot with the One10 IMO.

 

[ahc]

I have. It's a pretty good combination IMO. The Barefaced 10's shine with all-tube heads it seems.

I like the tone of a PF-50T but it's harder to EQ IMO; less control as the tube sound is the tube sound, mostly. Usually that's great but sometimes not. What is your experience?I am relatively new to the all-tube amp world.

There's one room that I can't use the PF50T apparently (had tried with both a One10 and SM) since the overbearing frequencies in the room happen to align with the main "heft" of the Ampeg and the EQ is less effective in dialing that freq down. But that's more a 50T thing than One10 thing to be sure.

I've used the PF with good results in other rooms with both the One10 and SM, and certainly the PF + One10 combo has sounded great at home. The Four10 also sounds good with the PF-50T. Caveat, I haven't gigged the PF-50T more than 6-7 times so far, having used One10, Four10, and SM with it.

Odd and ends: The feet of the PF-50T just barely fit down the side of the One10, so it actually sits down fairly snugly on there despite the size of the head relative to the box. It might eventually leave a little rub mark on the side of the cab (from the feet).

If you have and like the PF-50T, you will like it a lot with the One10 IMO.

Thanks Plutonium244! I've had/have 5 tube amps (including an SVT and 2 B15's) and played through a host of other over the past 50 years or so as well as 8 SS amps of my own. So I guess you could say I've got a bit of experience with them. I've got a One10 and I've been thinking of a smaller light-er tube head to use with it for quiet gigs etc. It sounds like the EQ problem you had is room-dependent and I've certainly run into my share of those. Good to know about the fit of the feet. I was wondering about that.

 

[JxBass]

I have. It's a pretty good combination IMO. The Barefaced 10's shine with all-tube heads it seems.

Odd and ends: The feet of the PF-50T just barely fit down the side of the One10, so it actually sits down fairly snugly on there despite the size of the head relative to the box. It might eventually leave a little rub mark on the side of the cab (from the feet).

If you have and like the PF-50T, you will like it a lot with the One10 IMO.

+1 to the above comments. The PF-50T fits beautifully when the One10 is placed on its side, which happens to be my preferred port and (2 x One10) stacking configuration.

 

[Plutonium244]

Thanks Plutonium244! I've had/have 5 tube amps (including an SVT and 2 B15's) and played through a host of other over the past 50 years or so as well as 8 SS amps of my own. So I guess you could say I've got a bit of experience with them. I've got a One10 and I've been thinking of a smaller light-er tube head to use with it for quiet gigs etc. It sounds like the EQ problem you had is room-dependent and I've certainly run into my share of those. Good to know about the fit of the feet. I was wondering about that.

You've got far more all-tube experience than me. Come to think of it, I have only 2 completely SS amps, the others (besides my 2 all-tubes) are hybrid. I am also a relative newcomer to playing, having only been at it for about 35 years or so . God willing, I'll hit the half-century mark eventually; it's too late to give up now!

I use the PF-50T and a Super Bassman 300, and my favorite rig when the gig permits is the SB + Four10 (tubes + BF 10's = awesome). PF-50T is for smaller gigs where I still want tubes and don't mind the extra 15 pounds for the 50T vs micro/class D SS amp, sounds like more or less your intended use also. The 50T can get pretty loud and would suit all but the largest gigs IMO; I've used it in a pretty big room satisfactorily.

Agree that my only unsuccessful application of the amp was room-driven; but I WAS able to dial out those frequencies in that room fairly effectively with a good ol' MB200 (it's a smallish room). In my limited experience w/ all-tube, you just get more cut/boost control with a SS power section; though you generally get enough cut/boost control with all-tube. Nevertheless, all things being equal, I prefer the 50T over SS class D, in most situations. Still, the convenience of a 3 pound MB200 in the gig bag does sometimes win out for small gigs.

OK, sorry for the amp-specific derail... but yeah, 50T + One10 works great.

As far as Jx's remarks about orientation of the One10, there are a few here who really prefer that side orientation, with the port to the side instead of down; monsterthompson comes to mind as well. I prefer a down-firing port orientation; plenty of room to dial in extra bass with EQ if I feel like it's needed to add a little heft, but side-fire seems to me to make the sound a little bit less distinct and less tight-sounding, a bit more woofy. But, it's obviously all personal preference and how it interacts with the rest of your gear.

ahc, what's your preference with the One10 orientation? Just curious.

 

[ahc]

ahc, what's your preference with the One10 orientation? Just curious.

I can't really say I've got a preference. It's more dependent on the room and the "stage" setup. I've been using the One10 for the semi-acoustic fools on stools micro brewery gigs I've been doing so it depends on how the beer casks are piled up (we had one gig cancelled because there was literally no room for the band). Depends on the head I'm using and how it sits on the cab too. In short, I've probably used it mostly "vertical" with the port on the bottom. Also, most of my SS heads are hybrids and all but one of those are starved plate tube pres so those aren't particularly "tubey".

 

[saltydude]

Loving my new BB2's. I've yet to explore the vast new world of possibilities with these cabs and my new head. I feel my journey's just begun.. I can finally hear myself and be heard without blasting the room in a bad way.

My plan was to have them in two locations but I've been bringing them home to play with both because I can't resist. So I've basically only rehearsed with one cab. St Patrick's day will be the first gig and I want to use both. It's a good size room but it's long and rectangular with the band at one end.

I've been playing around with the very effective crossovers and I'm curious as to how you would set them if running both cabs? (Stacked) Both evenly and balanced? One lower or higher? Top vs. Bottom? Am I missing the whole "well that's the beauty of it",,,it's all how you want to hear it thing?
I ask because as effective as they are it's hard for me to judge at home.

Yes we have overkill house support so my DI level will or should be low.

Edit:----- Really 14 hours and nobody has any crossover/ experience setting advice when running two BB2's?

 

[socialleper]

While I wait anxiously for my shipping notice, I wanted to ask people that have replaced their GK Neo cabs with a BF, did you find that these have a fuller tone than the GKs? Not only am I looking for something that fills a room better, but I've really noticed lately how scooped my GK Neo 112s are. I'm really hoping the BF will give me more low mids.

 

[Plutonium244]

While I wait anxiously for my shipping notice, I wanted to ask people that have replaced their GK Neo cabs with a BF, did you find that these have a fuller tone than the GKs? Not only am I looking for something that fills a room better, but I've really noticed lately how scooped my GK Neo 112s are. I'm really hoping the BF will give me more low mids.

I have played GK neo cabs though I have not owned any. They are pretty mid-scooped IMO, and you WILL get more low-mid and mid from your Barefaced cab.

You might find that you're dialing down the mid, it might seem too present at first, coming from a GK neo. But that's the deal-- you get to HAVE the mids, then decide what you want to do with them-- keep 'em, dial 'em down, shift their EQ point, etc. You can always eliminate some mid, but trying to create / add a good-sounding mid sound that isn't there to begin with is darn near impossible.

Some people get a Barefaced, and say "well, it's got a lot of mid when set flat"... that's the point-- flat is not the test; being able to take what you have and then adjust to your liking is the test. But yeah, definitely, more low mid/mid mid/high-mids with a BF vs GK neo. Set to taste.

 

[socialleper]

I have played GK neo cabs though I have not owned any. They are pretty mid-scooped IMO, and you WILL get more low-mid and mid from your Barefaced cab.

You might find that you're dialing down the mid, it might seem too present at first, coming from a GK neo. But that's the deal-- you get to HAVE the mids, then decide what you want to do with them-- keep 'em, dial 'em down, shift their EQ point, etc. You can always eliminate some mid, but trying to create / add a good-sounding mid sound that isn't there to begin with is darn near impossible.

Some people get a Barefaced, and say "well, it's got a lot of mid when set flat"... that's the point-- flat is not the test; being able to take what you have and then adjust to your liking is the test. But yeah, definitely, more low mid/mid mid/high-mids with a BF vs GK neo. Set to taste.

Cool. I purposefully went with the Super Twin because I think the Big Twin, because I think the full range thing would have been too "hi-fi" for me. Plus it is more money. One of the models with the 10's may have worked, but then size and weight became a factor. In a perfect world I would have bought BFs 8x10, but money and size wise I knew it would be impossible.
My hope is that I'll get the mids of my Ampeg BA115HP, will a little of the highs of my Neo 112s.

 

[Plutonium244]

Cool. I purposefully went with the Super Twin because I think the Big Twin, because I think the full range thing would have been too "hi-fi" for me. Plus it is more money. One of the models with the 10's may have worked, but then size and weight became a factor. In a perfect world I would have bought BFs 8x10, but money and size wise I knew it would be impossible.
My hope is that I'll get the mids of my Ampeg BA115HP, will a little of the highs of my Neo 112s.

Does your GK cab have a horn (I suspect it does)? If so, you might notice a tonal difference going from a cab with a horn to one without; your highs might sound a bit different. Either way you will still get more mids from your Super Twin than with a GK neo cab with or without horn.

Both the BF 12's I have (SM, BB2) do have horns.... but normally I roll the horn level quite low, but on just a little bit, so really it's kind of close to how a non-tweeted Barefaced cab must sound, the way I use it.

As you may know, the Barefaced horns are controlled by crossover dial, not level dial like many/most cabs are. So, when you turn the Barefaced tweeter down, it isn't just decreasing the level or eliminating the frequencies handled by the horn, it is simply sending them to the 12" driver instead. When you dial down a GK tweeter, you are eliminating those frequencies from reproduction.

Personally, I like the option of having my cab essentially be a BB2 (in your case, read: Big Twin), or a Super Compact (read: Super Twin), depending on how I dial the horn (in or out). But-- it does cost more, and the box is a little bigger, so if horn is not of any interest ever, then there's no point in having one, you'd save space and money. If you DO have a horn on your GK neo cab, and you like how your highs sound from it, then you might want to possibly consider a Barefaced cab with a horn-- that way, if you find you WANT horn highs, you can have them; or, if you're fine without, then you can just send all those frequencies down to the driver; or somewhere in between. Just something to consider, if you haven't already.

 

[anton72]

Two10 looks cool... just saying haha

 

[stevecaronna]

Just sent my payment in full through paypal a few minutes ago, now its time for the waiting game. When will I get my BTII? Man if I get that thing by next Friday I will be too excited!

 

[anton72]

I bought Mesa D800, played it with and my only One10 (I sold the other one) and found out they are an excellent match. Too late, I've already ordered SM.. So I realized that I just wanted a proper amp match to One10. Now I have the proper amp but only have one One10. And I've just learnt that the guys at BF have some Two10 ready made in stock...