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[smeet]

Interesting, @smeet. so a two10 would have more of that "darker/vintage" tone when compared to a pair of One10s? Hmmm, Another reason I might want to consider a two10 over a pair of One10s. (I currently have a SM and Im dialing out all the "full-range" high end, both on the cab HF and my amp head.)

@Karl Kaminski - Just a correction in case you were going to base a purchase on my previous statement...
I realized I had it backwards yet again. A Two10 puts out highs through only one cone. Two One10's would put out fullrange through both cones. So in theory, a Two10 should be darker than two One10's.

 

[smeet]

Two will sound three times as good!

Which of course means that a Four10 is actually nine times as good!!!

 

[mikeluch]

I'm curious. When you say, "pretty happy", that sounds a bit like you might have some misgivings, yes?

Better with 2 BB2s, or 2 SMs?

No, should have said Very happy. Thanks for the question

 

[Plutonium244]

Still pretty happy with the BB2 and SM stack. Great thing is flexibility based on gig.
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^^^ This.

 

[nostatic]

then this happened...

 

[3rdcurve]

Big fan of the barefaced 10s, looking forward to your thoughts vs the C1203T!

 

[mmbass21]

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Two10s is such an amazing match with the WD. The One10 is great with it but the Two10s definitely steps up to the next level. I'll give a good test this weekend running both cabs to see how much the One10 adds.

 

[Karl Kaminski]

@smeet, now I'm confused lol
(so are you saying there's an actual difference in how a two10 and a stacked pair of One10s sound, and are wired–like a cross-over circuit or something?) sorry, I guess I'm not getting what you're saying.

After posing the question here, I emailed Alex asking if there was any audible difference comparing a pair of One10s to a single Two10S. His response was (I'm paraphrasing here) -no difference, their loudness and Eq would basically be the same. (which suits my needs, good to hear) He also gave an explanation of the dispersion of a Two10 cab placed horizonally as opposed to vertically, and to consider that when stacking a pair of One10s.–IIRC

In the end, I just wanted to know if a stacked pair of One10s is gonna sound the same as a single Two10 cab. Im hoping they will from Alex's reply. Love to hear TB's experiences with a pair of One10s or a Two10–anyone switch from one setup to another?

 

[Lowendtech]

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Hey, I have those bits. Interested in your opinions.

Also the H1203/C112T stack compared to the Two10.

 

[smeet]

@smeet, now I'm confused lol
(so are you saying there's an actual difference in how a two10 and a stacked pair of One10s sound, and are wired–like a cross-over circuit or something?) sorry, I guess I'm not getting what you're saying.

After posing the question here, I emailed Alex asking if there was any audible difference comparing a pair of One10s to a single Two10S. His response was (I'm paraphrasing here) -no difference, their loudness and Eq would basically be the same. (which suits my needs, good to hear) He also gave an explanation of the dispersion of a Two10 cab placed horizonally as opposed to vertically, and to consider that when stacking a pair of One10s.–IIRC

In the end, I just wanted to know if a stacked pair of One10s is gonna sound the same as a single Two10 cab. Im hoping they will from Alex's reply. Love to hear TB's experiences with a pair of One10s or a Two10–anyone switch from one setup to another?

Alex would know what they sound like in real life of course, so trust him!

In the two10, to prevent dispersion problems when horizontally aligned, one cone is full range, and the other one is filtered so it produces just low frequencies. But they must have compensated for that in the design. I haven't actually heard a pair of one10 cabs to compare. Sorry for any confusion I caused!

 

[BassVibes]

@smeet, now I'm confused lol
(so are you saying there's an actual difference in how a two10 and a stacked pair of One10s sound, and are wired–like a cross-over circuit or something?) sorry, I guess I'm not getting what you're saying.

After posing the question here, I emailed Alex asking if there was any audible difference comparing a pair of One10s to a single Two10S. His response was (I'm paraphrasing here) -no difference, their loudness and Eq would basically be the same. (which suits my needs, good to hear) He also gave an explanation of the dispersion of a Two10 cab placed horizonally as opposed to vertically, and to consider that when stacking a pair of One10s.–IIRC

In the end, I just wanted to know if a stacked pair of One10s is gonna sound the same as a single Two10 cab. Im hoping they will from Alex's reply. Love to hear TB's experiences with a pair of One10s or a Two10–anyone switch from one setup to another?

I pretty much got the same reply when I asked if a pair of Two10s is essentially the same as a Four10

 

[jeff7bass]

I would think there would be some difference between a 210 and a pair of 110's unless the 210 has a fairly strong baffle between the two 10" speakers, not to mention the additional tweeter (unless the cabs are tweeterless). Not only a baffling effect (of the additional cab) but the rubber feet would separate the speakers even further. If money is no object, buying two 110's is always preferable IMO. If one cab farts out, stack the other on top and you're still giggin.

 

[alexclaber]

@Karl KaminskiA Two10 puts out highs through only one cone. Two One10's would put out fullrange through both cones. So in theory, a Two10 should be darker than two One10's.

If that was what happens then we wouldn't do it! Your understanding of the theory is flawed.

 

[alexclaber]

I would think there would be some difference between a 210 and a pair of 110's unless the 210 has a fairly strong baffle between the two 10" speakers.

Why?

 

[smeet]

If that was what happens then we wouldn't do it! Your understanding of the theory is flawed.

I've been wondering about that. Can you explain how it actually works?

 

[JxBass]

I've been wondering about that. Can you explain how it actually works?

From the Barefaced website:

Barefaced line array
Both drivers in the Two10 work in unison to produce big bass and punchy mids but to improve dispersion only one has treble output - just like a PA line array.

It might seem counter-intuitive but the dispersion of a wave source is inversely proportion to the size of the source vs the wavelength - so side by side 10" drivers can have good dispersion through the lows and lower mids but once you get into the higher mids and treble the lateral dispersion narrows drastically. By only letting higher mids and treble come from one speakers we get much better dispersion through those frequencies so you have more consistent tone around the stage and venue. Not something you'll notice in a shop but something that can feel life changing on noisy gigs.

 

[jeff7bass]

Why?

Because with two 110's each speaker has it's own compartment. Seems to me the reason the mighty Ampeg SVT 810 was so popular (despite it's weight) was because each 210 was isolated, making like four 210's stacked. I read that many times. Has something to do with the way the speakers respond to each others movements.

 

[smeet]

From the Barefaced website:

Barefaced line array
Both drivers in the Two10 work in unison to produce big bass and punchy mids but to improve dispersion only one has treble output - just like a PA line array.

It might seem counter-intuitive but the dispersion of a wave source is inversely proportion to the size of the source vs the wavelength - so side by side 10" drivers can have good dispersion through the lows and lower mids but once you get into the higher mids and treble the lateral dispersion narrows drastically. By only letting higher mids and treble come from one speakers we get much better dispersion through those frequencies so you have more consistent tone around the stage and venue. Not something you'll notice in a shop but something that can feel life changing on noisy gigs.

Yes, I understood that.
The question is, if one of the drivers is not producing high frequencies, wouldn't the total treble output of the cabinet be reduced (compared to both drivers fullrange)?

 

[monsterthompson]

Yes, I understood that.
The question is, if one of the drivers is not producing high frequencies, wouldn't the total treble output of the cabinet be reduced (compared to both drivers fullrange)?

Possibly. But maybe not significantly. Not sure of the specifics, but perhaps when all the cancellation effects of multiple drivers are accounted for, the net differential is minimal. I agree that it should seem that two 110 cabs running "full range" vs. a 210 where one driver is "full range" and the other isn't, the two 110 stack would be producing a relatively brighter sound. But I also don't know how the wiring under the hood is rigged. There are all sorts of acoustic effects I can't do the math on, like equal loudness, and dispersion, and comb filtering. I get the basic concepts, but only enough to be dangerous

 

[bassdrop]

Yes, I understood that.
The question is, if one of the drivers is not producing high frequencies, wouldn't the total treble output of the cabinet be reduced (compared to both drivers fullrange)?

That assumption would only be true if the combination of both drivers would allow those treble frequencies, and just the treble frequencies, to be additive in a way that was audible. This is not the case, from my understanding. The two One10's together would be 3db louder than a single One10 but the overall tonality would remain the same. Because of the way that the sound disperses from a Two10, again, the tonality would be the same.