I'm a previous owner of 2 Four10's. That rig was ballistic with an 800W head.
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Official Barefaced Bass Cab Club
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Knowing Barefaced cab's as well as I do (I have used a Big Twin, then a BT2 over the last five+ years), I don't think that I could imagine many (if any) situations where you would need all 6 of those 10" speakers, particularly with FOH support! If you are providing sufficient power, one 410 (or a 212) will be plenty loud enough. remember, Barefaced cab's are VERY efficient and the speakers that Alex uses handle lots of power and provide a very articulate sound.
My Mesa d800+ bright switch worked well with my BF110 to extend usable treble response, it was plenty
The bright switch in the d800+ makes it a different amp and perfectly suited to the one10. Without it I found the tone somewhat lacking.
This!Also, I doubt you'll need four Two10S cabs unless you're very very loud and that four Ampeg 2x10" stack is nowhere near loud/fat/deep enough!
I appreciate the input fellas.
Regardless though of whether that many speakers are necessary or overkill.
I just genuinely want to know what happens when either cross-firing or angling speakers. But especially cross-firing, and the physics that take place with the sound waves. Or, what an optimal angle may be and why. Also, would a horizontal or vertical plane be better for cross-firing due to human ears being side by side and not on top of each other.
I apologize if this may be a thread derail or the post might belong to another thread.
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Research (google) comb filtering and line array and some interesting stuff may come up.
Maybe relevant or not.
Lowendtech
Happily trending in my own peculiar direction.
This^. If I was wanting a bunch of tens, it'd be a pair of Two10's or a Four10 and a Two10 at the max. One Two10 is pretty darn loud by itself. A pair would kill. Stacked tall.
I've been thinking that it might be nice to have a pair of 2 10s stacked vertically. Would really help hearing myself on a crowded stage
The downside of this combination (for me having an SVT) is the Four10 is either 2 OR 8 ohms. 2 ohms is fine on its own with an SVT but not so good at 8 ohms. And for compatibility with a Two10 the Four10 would need to be 8 ohms.
It's such a bummer the Four10 isn't switchable.
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From what I've read, the 10" driver impedance is around 6 ohms. This would give a 4 ohm 610 or a 12 ohm 210 in series. The switchable 210 says 4 or 12 but is probably closer to 3+ or 12. A 3+ ohm nominal impedance can still work with most amps 4 ohm setting. A 12 ohm 210 in parallel with a 6 ohm 410 gives a 4 ohm 610. The math works. No way could two speakers be 4 ohms in parallel and 12 ohms in series unless there are load resistors added in parallel to give 4 ohms. Since the impedance curve varies with frequency, nominal values are given which should fall within acceptable amp load tolerances. It's not an exact number. Barefaced cabs are excellent but impedance and SPL numbers on the website are all over the map. There are only two LF drivers in use here, the 10CR and 12XN. Given the driver nominal impedance and sensitivity, the impedance and max SPL of any configuration should be pretty straight forward. Customers shouldn't have to wonder what's accurate and what isn't.
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alexclaber
Commercial User
Nominal impedance and max SPL are both massively oversimplified figures for extremely complex things - the more you know about the engineering and science behind them, the more you realise how ridiculous it is to place great importance on either number. Read the following pages:
Using multiple 10CR cabs
10CR power handling
If you need to know more, email me.
Got to say I feel for Alex as this has been addressed in depth several times on this thread. I know because I asked similar questions years ago and he very patiently explained it. I have absolutely zero problems with the details provided on the Barefaced site.i have used Barefaced 10s and twelves with a wide range of tube and non tube heads, using the Barefaced ohmage guidelines, and never had a single problem.
Sorry Alex, I wasn't trying to be a troll. As a retired electrical engineer I do understand these things and think highly of your cabinet lines. These links are useful and should help answer some of the questions that come up on this forum.
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My BT3 just came in, I am super stoked to try it out, but it's still cold in Buffalo so I need to wait for rehearsal Wednesday ha ha
As an aside, and I'm not trying sound like a complete douche, but I am genuinely curious. I'm always baffled by the posts where guys are showing 4 cabs in a rig, or (2) 8x10's. Where are you using these? And who moves them for you? Part of why I bought a Barefaced is it weighs half what my Goliath II 4x10 does, and that cab with a studio 220 has always been more than enough for every gig I've played in the last 28 years. Small bars, mid sized clubs, big halls, festival stage, no problem. And if I do need more (like big open stages) I'll get some in the monitors. When doing small tours we needed as little gear as possible so we could fit it all in the van, so what truck is hauling 4 cabs?
As an aside, and I'm not trying sound like a complete douche, but I am genuinely curious. I'm always baffled by the posts where guys are showing 4 cabs in a rig, or (2) 8x10's. Where are you using these? And who moves them for you? Part of why I bought a Barefaced is it weighs half what my Goliath II 4x10 does, and that cab with a studio 220 has always been more than enough for every gig I've played in the last 28 years. Small bars, mid sized clubs, big halls, festival stage, no problem. And if I do need more (like big open stages) I'll get some in the monitors. When doing small tours we needed as little gear as possible so we could fit it all in the van, so what truck is hauling 4 cabs?
Mate, if you haven't got any roadies, get the wife to carry them.
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One 2x10 has never been enough for any gig I've played besides a super small acoustic gig. 2 2x10s is just barely enough IME. But I also don't play small or quiet shows.
My BT3 just came in, I am super stoked to try it out, but it's still cold in Buffalo so I need to wait for rehearsal Wednesday ha ha
As an aside, and I'm not trying sound like a complete douche, but I am genuinely curious. I'm always baffled by the posts where guys are showing 4 cabs in a rig, or (2) 8x10's. Where are you using these? And who moves them for you? Part of why I bought a Barefaced is it weighs half what my Goliath II 4x10 does, and that cab with a studio 220 has always been more than enough for every gig I've played in the last 28 years. Small bars, mid sized clubs, big halls, festival stage, no problem. And if I do need more (like big open stages) I'll get some in the monitors. When doing small tours we needed as little gear as possible so we could fit it all in the van, so what truck is hauling 4 cabs?
We use a trailer on our vans. That's what holds all our gear.
When I was using a trailer w a van, ampeg 8x10 and svt4 pro, we also had our own monitor system in case the house didn't have something.
Now we usually bus it, and while the 8x10 was fine, I switched to a bugera 2x10 paired w a peavey 2x10 w a Behringer ultrabass on top. This way I can take just the 2x10 to small rehearsals, and the full rig to shows, that being said, I'm getting a subwoofer and a 2 channel power amp, reason being is that if I'm not going through foh, it's not loud enough now in most settings. My 8x10 barely did it tbh but I needed something lighter and splittable, because I knew work was going to pick up post covid.
