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Official Orange Club II

Thanks for your impressions on that new OBC112. It's high on my list of cabs but being so new it was difficult finding impressions.

You are quite welcome. I ran into the same issue when I was looking for new cabs. No one had them yet, so there were no reviews or impressions. I decided to take a chance, and I'm glad I did. They can get surprising loud, especially compared to their size, but remain very clean and clear. Also very impressed with both the low frequency output, and the overall even response across the spectrum. My only reservation is that the mid response may be a little too hot. I notice it with both my Ampeg PF-800 and the new 4 stroke 500. But a little tweak on the tone controls brings that into line. I was concerned that there may not be enough high end, but it's all there, with crystal clarity. Very happy with these cabs.
 
I usually go with a good mic in front. MD421, RE20 if you can choose one, I can do with Beta 52s and D112s. But you always have techs who prefer DIs. I have a pre-amp on my board for every gig where I don't care for a specific amp sound or for when I can have a wet/dry mix (read I almost never use it).
For typical gigs where the FOH guy wants a DI with effects, I use a passive DI with the slave out of my amp. AD200Bs have a post power-amp slave out, so you don't need to put anything between amp and speakers. I would go that way, even if you can use it in-line. That is also what I do when I can get wet/dry: Bass->Tuner->Preamp->FOH and Pedals->Amp->Slave Out->DI box->FOH. If your tech knows his stuff, you are not getting any phase issues.

So.... rather than going BASS > DI > into amp/FOH mixer...
I can go outta the SLAVE OUT on the rear of the AD200B into a DI .... for a signal to FOH ?
And this will be POST pre amp? But before power amp?
 
You are quite welcome. I ran into the same issue when I was looking for new cabs. No one had them yet, so there were no reviews or impressions. I decided to take a chance, and I'm glad I did. They can get surprising loud, especially compared to their size, but remain very clean and clear. Also very impressed with both the low frequency output, and the overall even response across the spectrum. My only reservation is that the mid response may be a little too hot. I notice it with both my Ampeg PF-800 and the new 4 stroke 500. But a little tweak on the tone controls brings that into line. I was concerned that there may not be enough high end, but it's all there, with crystal clarity. Very happy with these cabs.

Saw your post in the other thread and thought I'd mosey on over here, as I was unaware that we even had an Orange club :)

So, first the good news, I'm an idiot (let's not discuss why) and the new 4 Stroke (second one MF sent me) works flawlessly. I was so impressed by the sound and versatility, that I'm sending the new Terror Bass packing. The TB is nice and all, but I think it's trying to do too much without truly mastering anything, which is a weird thing to say for an amp with essentially five knobs on the front.

As for the OBC112s, I like them. Crystal clear, and so lightweight that I ended up dumping my "buy two OBC115s" plan once I discovered they were a viable alternative. My only partial complaint is that they run a tad quiet when compared to the OBC115s, which isn't really as much of a complaint as it is a matter of physics. I had a medium-large gig over the weekend, and it was my first 2x112s gig, and the drop in volume was noticeable. But it was still manageable, as I only need the volume for monitoring. They sounded great in all other respects, and I can't wait to gig the 4 Stroke and 112s.
 
Ive been playing bass for a year. I have a G&L L2000 Tribute bass and an Eden EC210. I play 60s,70s, and 80s top 40 rock. Just started a band.

I'm thinking about trading the Eden toward an Orange Crush 100. Is the 100 okay for small venues?

I'm even thinking about the OB1-300, but have wondered how it would be for practice in a small room with a group or by myself.
I'll have to make payments, and know I'll miss the aux in for my iPad when practicing by myself.

I have posted This twice, but I'm not getting much response. I will get an Orange combo amp soon. I would really appreciate your input.
 
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Ive been playing bass for a year. I have a G&L L2000 Tribute bass and an Eden EC210. I play 60s,70s, and 80s top 40 rock. Just started a band.

I'm thinking about trading the Eden toward an Orange Crush 100. Is the 100 okay for small venues?

I'm even thinking about the OB1-300, but have wondered how it would be for practice in a small room with a group or by myself.
I'll have to make payments, and know I'll miss the aux in for my iPad when practicing by myself.

I have posted This twice, but I'm not getting much response. I will get an Orange combo amp soon. I would really appreciate your input.

As always, "it depends". How loud is your drummer and other guitarist? And how good is your PA for vocals?

Practice volume is not typically a bassist's friend. Loud guitarists can usually turn down, but loud drummers are a bit trickier, as they may be unable to play more quietly without it impacting their performance. A good PA can be used to not only allow the vocalist to be heard, but you could feasibly run a line out from the bass amp into the PA, which is what you would typically do for gigs as well.

If you plan on running out to the PA, pretty much any amp with a DI out should work. If not, then I'd avoid the Crush, simply because a single 15 and 100 watts won't get you very far. That OB1-300 is a bit misleading as well, as it depends on what cab you are running it through. If the total cab load is only 8 ohms (most single cab options), then you won't get the full 300 watts, more like 150-175 watts, and you won't be much louder than the Crush. If you can spring for 2 cabs or a two speaker cab like a 2x12 that runs at 4 ohms, then you get the full 300 watts.

However, in my experience, the OB1 itself is a little tricky, as I've found that there isn't much clean headroom, and you usually need to start blending in the distortion channel if you want to get a louder volume. That distortion obviously changes the tone, so I don't know how many pop songs call for stoner metal-ish fuzzy/grindy distortion.

I actually own both a 4 Stroke and an OB1. The 4 Stroke 300 would probably serve you better than the OB1, simply because it's clean throughout its total volume, and it's way more versatile than the OB1, due to the EQ options. The same ohm/watts situation applies though, and I don't know what your budget is, but that's where I'd start looking if I wanted an Orange in a band situation.
 
a single 15 and 100 watts won't get you very far

I have no experience with the Orange Crush 100. However, I distinctly remember playing through a Peavey TNT back in the day, which was 100 watts with one 15", and it did fine. The band was guitar, bass, drums, and keys. I was playing keys back then for a while, and I actually bought that amp from the bass player, as I wanted to get back into playing bass. Frankly. I wish I had kept that amp. Its probably still going strong. And FWIW, we played loud enough for the neighbors to call the cops on us on many occasions.

So is the TNT comparable to the Crush? Who knows, though the reviews I've read would seem to indicate so. From the Sweetwater site:

I bought this amp to have at my house to keep our bass player from having to lug his amp back and forth to practice. He loves it. He has always been a Peavey and Hartke guy, but he really likes this amp, and so do I after hearing it. It has plenty of power to keep up with our group's guitar, keys and drums. If you need more you can use the XLR line out to your PA board...
 
I have no experience with the Orange Crush 100. However, I distinctly remember playing through a Peavey TNT back in the day, which was 100 watts with one 15", and it did fine. The band was guitar, bass, drums, and keys. I was playing keys back then for a while, and I actually bought that amp from the bass player, as I wanted to get back into playing bass. Frankly. I wish I had kept that amp. Its probably still going strong. And FWIW, we played loud enough for the neighbors to call the cops on us on many occasions.

So is the TNT comparable to the Crush? Who knows, though the reviews I've read would seem to indicate so. From the Sweetwater site:

Yeah, I should have qualified my statement, as I've never played the CR100. I've just been in situations where even 300 watts weren't enough, but I tend towards musical styles that call for it, so I should have emphasized the "it depends" part of my post.
 
Ive been playing bass for a year. I have a G&L L2000 Tribute bass and an Eden EC210. I play 60s,70s, and 80s top 40 rock. Just started a band.

I'm thinking about trading the Eden toward an Orange Crush 100. Is the 100 okay for small venues?

I'm even thinking about the OB1-300, but have wondered how it would be for practice in a small room with a group or by myself.
I'll have to make payments, and know I'll miss the aux in for my iPad when practicing by myself.

I have posted This twice, but I'm not getting much response. I will get an Orange combo amp soon. I would really appreciate your input.

As always, get as much as you can get. I like the OC100, I used to own one, with a PA it was ok for live gigs, for practicing, I had more juice coming out of a Peavey even if they were rated the same, mostly because of the gain structure (the Orange distorted earlier).
I have the OB1-500 and not the 300, but I never see myself running it past 9 o'clock or engaging the blender unless I want the distortion. It has been clean and loud enough for any practicing situation and for live monitoring. It should be sufficient with 210s or 115s. With 212, 210 or 410s, I seriously believe you would be risking hearing damage before running out of headroom on an OB1-300.
 
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Thanks, it's my first time with speakon and other than locking I don't see the benefits.

I just got the new terror head from guitar Center used for a great deal but I noticed mine has an extra screw that I don't see in pics I saw online.
Should I be worried ? Lol
 
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Thanks, it's my first time with speakon and other than locking I don't see the benefits.

I just got the new terror head from guitar Center used for a great deal but I noticed mine has an extra screw that I don't see in pics I saw online.
Should I be worried ? Lol
i wouldnt worry. I'm surprised you found a used one of these already. I've been keeping an eye out for one.
 
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Thanks, it's my first time with speakon and other than locking I don't see the benefits.

I see at least two main benefits. If one plugs in or unplugs a standard 1/4" to either the head or cab, the output is shorted together for a moment, presenting a 0 ohm load to the amp. Since the cable doesn't lock, it's possible that one could trip over the wire, yanking out the cable. This is especially dangerous if the amp is on.

Second, there is a possibility that one may inadvertently use a guitar patch cable to connect speakers to the amp. The comparatively thin gauge of the center conductor in a patch cable may cause excessive resistance between the head and speaker, reducing output, with the potential of excessive heating of the cable, especially with high powered heads.

I prefer SpeakOn connectors, and am annoyed when amp manufactures do not provide that option on their amps and cabs (Ampeg Micro VR stack - I'm looking at you!).
 
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Thanks, it's my first time with speakon and other than locking I don't see the benefits.

I just got the new terror head from guitar Center used for a great deal but I noticed mine has an extra screw that I don't see in pics I saw online.
Should I be worried ? Lol

Yep, I'm surprised the reissue has already made it out to GC as a used item as well, though I say that having bought and returned my own TB Reissue. I take it you jumped on this current 3 year financing deal? Those are promotions likely targeted directly at me :) Lots of hidden gems in their used catalog if you know what you are looking for, and the GC rep doesn't price it accordingly.
 
i wouldnt worry. I'm surprised you found a used one of these already. I've been keeping an eye out for one.
Yep, I'm surprised the reissue has already made it out to GC as a used item as well, though I say that having bought and returned my own TB Reissue. I take it you jumped on this current 3 year financing deal? Those are promotions likely targeted directly at me :) Lots of hidden gems in their used catalog if you know what you are looking for, and the GC rep doesn't price it accordingly.

I was surprised too. I had to do a double check and make sure it was the reissue.
I had a gear card rewards discount so I got it for a little over $600 shipped and it still had the tags on it!
Maybe they returned it because of the screw?
I'm loving the tone I m getting so far but especially the small footprint. Now I get to sell my Rumble 500 head and meatsmoke preamp.

Another question, whats my best option for headphone practice? Do you have any recommendations for a headphone amp and where does it go in my chain?
 
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